Heat damage vs curl reversion

Like Tree10Likes
  • 1 Post By soleilmoncur
  • 1 Post By *Marah*
  • 2 Post By Ninjarette
  • 1 Post By soleilmoncur
  • 1 Post By Sexychocolate
  • 1 Post By greenandchic
  • 1 Post By greenandchic
  • 2 Post By demsdata

I have been looking at youtube videos and posts through different forums and was wondering if someone could clarify this for me.
I understand how heat damage can occur, but I have heard and read alot about how someone who may have only blow dried or straightened once, and their hair never reverted or became much much looser or un-uniformed with their natural curl pattern. Is that due to heat damage or can their hair be otherwise healthy, but just lost its curl?
I straightened my natural hair before so I can comment

Heat damage is when your curl is permanently loosened because of direct heat or use of heat when styling. I got heat damage when I used a straightening iron on my fine porous hair and the curls didn't completely revert back. My 3c/4a lock of hair turned into an odd looking curl of 3a/b.But that being said my hair itself was not unhealthy.

I used protein treatments for a while even though my hair is protein sensitive in order to try to help it revert and to strengthen the strands. It is still growing and is as healthy as the rest of my hair by looks and people do not notice it, but it is heat damaged because of the looser curl. As my hair grows longer I am slowly cutting off my heat damaged hair

HTH.
BellaAmore likes this.
3c/4aish, high porosity, fine strands,medium density cottony curls.

LOVES: (editing)

Save $10 off your order at Vitacost by clicking here for a code.


I'm not obsessed: I just LOVE my hair!!





Heat damage can definitely occur with a single use of a hot tool improperly and without taking proper precautions. I think in most cases when a person suddenly has a looser curl after a session with a heat tool..it's heat damage. People on YT are notorious with this..then come back talking about they got NO heat damage..when any fool can see their curls are not the same!
BellaAmore likes this.
I have been looking at youtube videos and posts through different forums and was wondering if someone could clarify this for me.
I understand how heat damage can occur, but I have heard and read alot about how someone who may have only blow dried or straightened once, and their hair never reverted or became much much looser or un-uniformed with their natural curl pattern. Is that due to heat damage or can their hair be otherwise healthy, but just lost its curl?
Originally Posted by BellaAmore
It's still heat damage. Heat damage doesn't have to totally obliterate your hair strands. But you've broken the bonds, which is why it won't kink back up....either all the way, or as much as it did before the heat.

When you relax your hair with lye, you "break" it...it's damaged. So, you have to be religious with conditioning and limit certain styling practices to keep it on your head. Doesn't mean your hair is totally destroyed, but it's not as strong and it has to be handled delicately. Why? Because you've damaged it.
*Marah* and BellaAmore like this.
Platinum Product Junkies
The Facebook
| The Twitter

The Product Lines:
Curl Junkie, b.a.s.k, Siamese Twists, Bobeam, Uncle Funky's Daughter, Amazing Botanicals, Zuresh, Dabur Vatika, Karen's Body Beautiful, Curls Unleased, Broo, Qhemet Biologics, Signature Texture, Darcy's Botanicals, Shea Moisture
Thanks for the replies. I figured it would have ultimately been heat damage, I couldn't rationalize how perfectly healthy otherwise coily/curly hair would go limp without the damage from the heat/straightening process being one of the major causing factors. I was watching a YT tuturial on flat ironing natural hair, it came out pretty good, the girl used heat protectants and all. But looking at the videos shes posted afterward her hair went from coily to kind of curly wavy. But she says its just because she her didnt fully revert back yet. So it made me wonder.
Thanks for the replies. I figured it would have ultimately been heat damage, I couldn't rationalize how perfectly healthy otherwise coily/curly hair would go limp without the damage from the heat/straightening process being one of the major causing factors. I was watching a YT tuturial on flat ironing natural hair, it came out pretty good, the girl used heat protectants and all. But looking at the videos shes posted afterward her hair went from coily to kind of curly wavy. But she says its just because she her didnt fully revert back yet. So it made me wonder.
Originally Posted by BellaAmore
Heat Damage. You also have a few people who call it "heat training" their hair.
BellaAmore likes this.
3c/4aish, high porosity, fine strands,medium density cottony curls.

LOVES: (editing)

Save $10 off your order at Vitacost by clicking here for a code.


I'm not obsessed: I just LOVE my hair!!





Eventually they will have to get their hair cut because flat iron styling in my opinion is too extreme on hair. Some people process their hair which weakens the hair, then they use flat irons on top of it, with temperatures of 400 or more thats crazy. The extreme heat is just stretching and thinning the strand, its not healthy. They will just end up have to get more of their ends cut, less heat would be wiser...but they do it anyway.
BellaAmore likes this.
I think the best way to straighten your hair is to use a heat protectant, start with a very warm and not get it bone straight. Roller sets is even safer.

My hair was pressed/ironed until it was bone, silky straight. I had no idea it could permanently damage my hair. This was way before web forums, YT, etc. Everyone around me had relaxers while I was still getting my hair pressed so I didn't have any examples to follow. I figured since I wasn't relaxing it, I wasn't damaging it. I still had way more hair than the averaged relaxed girl.

My wake up call when I saw a photo of myself wearing a wash-n-go (before we called it that!) after swimming and my hair was limp and lifeless. I then grew it out/transitioned as if it was relaxed.
BellaAmore likes this.
APL BSL MBL WL HL TBL | porous, fine/medium strands, medium density
My Fotki!
Below: Typical PS bun
Thanks for the replies. I figured it would have ultimately been heat damage, I couldn't rationalize how perfectly healthy otherwise coily/curly hair would go limp without the damage from the heat/straightening process being one of the major causing factors. I was watching a YT tuturial on flat ironing natural hair, it came out pretty good, the girl used heat protectants and all. But looking at the videos shes posted afterward her hair went from coily to kind of curly wavy. But she says its just because she her didnt fully revert back yet. So it made me wonder.
Originally Posted by BellaAmore
Heat Damage. You also have a few people who call it "heat training" their hair.
Originally Posted by soleilmoncur
Oh okay. I have heard that term too but didn't understand what it meant.
I think the best way to straighten your hair is to use a heat protectant, start with a very warm and not get it bone straight. Roller sets is even safer.

My hair was pressed/ironed until it was bone, silky straight. I had no idea it could permanently damage my hair. This was way before web forums, YT, etc. Everyone around me had relaxers while I was still getting my hair pressed so I didn't have any examples to follow. I figured since I wasn't relaxing it, I wasn't damaging it. I still had way more hair than the averaged relaxed girl.

My wake up call when I saw a photo of myself wearing a wash-n-go (before we called it that!) after swimming and my hair was limp and lifeless. I then grew it out/transitioned as if it was relaxed.
Originally Posted by greenandchic
Heat damage is ultimately what lead to the demise of my relaxed hair. My hair was very resistant to chemical relaxers, and often times the "professionals" would leave it in my hair for 2-3 times as long as the manufacturers instructions. And either way, within a week, my hair looked like it had two textures. So I would flat iron, almost daily to accomplish a sleek straight, shiny look, with the flat iron pumped up to 375 degrees or more, I thought my hair could take that. The longest my relaxed hair grew was a teeny passed shoulder length. But it started to really shed something fierce, and before I knew it my shoulder length hair became neck length with fried ends and constant shedding, it was depressing. My once fuller ponytails were thinning, and I hated the way my hair was looking. (gosh Im rambling) I saw pictures of when my permed hair was at its prime- full, dense, long --and what I saw in the mirror wasn't cutting it anymore. But, ultimately this is why I transitioned shortly and big chopped, and also why I am scared, terrified almost, to straighten my hair, even once now. Granted, I abused my hair when it was relaxed I surely never catered to it the way I do now, but I would just hate to risk it, and besides, my hair is still a TWA, sort of.
Eventually they will have to get their hair cut because flat iron styling in my opinion is too extreme on hair. Some people process their hair which weakens the hair, then they use flat irons on top of it, with temperatures of 400 or more thats crazy. The extreme heat is just stretching and thinning the strand, its not healthy. They will just end up have to get more of their ends cut, less heat would be wiser...but they do it anyway.
Originally Posted by Sexychocolate

I know I can only straighten my hair a few times a year, I never have used anything over 350 degrees, and I am very susceptible to heat and chemical damage. I'm high porosity, even without damage of any kind I'm still high porosity now, so my hair is super fragile. But that's just MY hair.

However, I have a few cousins who have strong, healthy hair that hangs halfway down their back. They get a relaxer and a flat iron on top of that on the regular. Their hair does not fall out, they don't have broken/fried/crisp or otherwise damaged ends. They can chop inches off without cringing because the reality is that it will grow back super fast for them. They have to put either the time and effort or the money for someone else's time and effort, into it to keep it healthy.

My hair won't grow with a relaxer, it's just too thin and high porosity naturally to take the chemicals well, and since the first year as a natural I wore my hair straight (a flat-iron job once a month) and it was bone straight and thin strands for me, I know it will not do well with flat-ironing it very often either. I did end up having to cut a lot of it off, but mostly that was because I wasn't willing to put in the additional time and energy, and I wanted my curls not straight hair! It was heat trained/damaged by accident.

I think it really depends on the hair and whether or not the person is willing to put in the additional time it will take to keep it healthy.
Hair type: the back and sides have small spiraly curls, the top and front just wave like, "hi! how ya doin?"

Condish: ElucenceMBC, HEHH, my kitchen mixes

Moisturizer: mixed spritz of: H20, aloe vera juice, honey, EVCO, ElucenceMBC

Curl Definer: H20 & a shake, my moisturizer mix.... or aloe vera/flax seed/ic fantsia gel if I'm not being lazy.

Styles: wash-n-go, twists just curl up like my wash-n-go

KinkyKurlyKustard is the DEBIL! The DEBIL!

Last edited by demsdata; 12-01-2011 at 05:48 PM.
Eventually they will have to get their hair cut because flat iron styling in my opinion is too extreme on hair. Some people process their hair which weakens the hair, then they use flat irons on top of it, with temperatures of 400 or more thats crazy. The extreme heat is just stretching and thinning the strand, its not healthy. They will just end up have to get more of their ends cut, less heat would be wiser...but they do it anyway.
Originally Posted by Sexychocolate

While I know I can only straighten my hair a few times a year, and I never have used anything over 350 degrees, and I am very susceptible to heat and chemical damage. I'm high porosity, even without damage of any kind I'm still high porosity now, so my hair is super fragile.

However, I have a few cousins who have strong, healthy hair that hangs halfway down their back. They get a relaxer and a flat iron on top of that on the regular. Their hair does not fall out, they don't have broken/fried/crisp or otherwise damaged ends. They can chop inches off without cringing because the reality is that it will grow back super fast for them. They have to put either the time and effort or the money for someone else's time and effort, into it to keep it healthy.

My hair won't grow with a relaxer, it's just too thin and high porosity naturally to take the chemicals well, and since the first year as a natural I wore my hair straight (a flat-iron job once a month) and it was bone straight and thin strands for me, I know it will not do well with flat-ironing it very often either. I did end up having to cut a lot of it off, but mostly that was because I wasn't willing to put in the additional time and energy, and I wanted my curls not straight hair! It was heat trained/damaged by accident.

I think it really depends on the hair and whether or not the person is willing to put in the additional time it will take to keep it healthy.
Originally Posted by demsdata
My hair is similar in that it cant take too much. Even demi-perm hair color is too much. I will probably use 300 degrees on my hair when I iron mine eventually. I don't care if its not super straight.
demsdata likes this.
APL BSL MBL WL HL TBL | porous, fine/medium strands, medium density
My Fotki!
Below: Typical PS bun
Eventually they will have to get their hair cut because flat iron styling in my opinion is too extreme on hair. Some people process their hair which weakens the hair, then they use flat irons on top of it, with temperatures of 400 or more thats crazy. The extreme heat is just stretching and thinning the strand, its not healthy. They will just end up have to get more of their ends cut, less heat would be wiser...but they do it anyway.
Originally Posted by Sexychocolate

While I know I can only straighten my hair a few times a year, and I never have used anything over 350 degrees, and I am very susceptible to heat and chemical damage. I'm high porosity, even without damage of any kind I'm still high porosity now, so my hair is super fragile.

However, I have a few cousins who have strong, healthy hair that hangs halfway down their back. They get a relaxer and a flat iron on top of that on the regular. Their hair does not fall out, they don't have broken/fried/crisp or otherwise damaged ends. They can chop inches off without cringing because the reality is that it will grow back super fast for them. They have to put either the time and effort or the money for someone else's time and effort, into it to keep it healthy.

My hair won't grow with a relaxer, it's just too thin and high porosity naturally to take the chemicals well, and since the first year as a natural I wore my hair straight (a flat-iron job once a month) and it was bone straight and thin strands for me, I know it will not do well with flat-ironing it very often either. I did end up having to cut a lot of it off, but mostly that was because I wasn't willing to put in the additional time and energy, and I wanted my curls not straight hair! It was heat trained/damaged by accident.

I think it really depends on the hair and whether or not the person is willing to put in the additional time it will take to keep it healthy.
Originally Posted by demsdata
My hair is similar in that it cant take too much. Even demi-perm hair color is too much. I will probably use 300 degrees on my hair when I iron mine eventually. I don't care if its not super straight.
Originally Posted by greenandchic

LOL I straightened for the first time in over a year last weekend....you should've seen me inching up the temperature dial slowwwwwlly. I wasn't going for super straight either but obviously the 250 i started at wasn't cutting it lol. I think there may have even been some shaking hands spotted in the beginning, and some murmured prayers.....I was all paranoid! But nope my hair is still healthy and whole...and won't be getting straightened again for at least 6 months or more. I can't breathe easy until my curls are back, but I know they're back because my hair started to curl back up in the foggy dew outside this morning! lol I've never been so happy for frizzy curls!
BellaAmore and Sexychocolate like this.
Hair type: the back and sides have small spiraly curls, the top and front just wave like, "hi! how ya doin?"

Condish: ElucenceMBC, HEHH, my kitchen mixes

Moisturizer: mixed spritz of: H20, aloe vera juice, honey, EVCO, ElucenceMBC

Curl Definer: H20 & a shake, my moisturizer mix.... or aloe vera/flax seed/ic fantsia gel if I'm not being lazy.

Styles: wash-n-go, twists just curl up like my wash-n-go

KinkyKurlyKustard is the DEBIL! The DEBIL!

Last edited by demsdata; 12-01-2011 at 06:16 PM.


LOL I straightened for the first time in over a year last weekend....you should've seen me inching up the temperature dial slowwwwwlly. I wasn't going for super straight either but obviously the 250 i started at wasn't cutting it lol. I think there may have even been some shaking hands spotted in the beginning, and some murmured prayers.....I was all paranoid! But nope my hair is still healthy and whole...and won't be getting straightened again for at least 6 months or more. I can't breathe easy until my curls are back, but I know they're back because my hair started to curl back up in the foggy dew outside this morning! lol I've never been so happy for frizzy curls!
Lol...you had me dying with this post. You literally just summed up ALL my fears about flat ironing. Im coming on my 1 year nappyversary and I want to flat iron so bad...its been 10 months.. I know im not going to keep it that way more than a few days but I am so dog on paranoid I dont even know what to do with myself... shaking hands, prayers.... all that...

Getting there slowly but surely!

Natural Since the Beginning of January 2011!
Current: Full Collar Bone
Texture: 3B/C & 4A
Goal: APL by New Years 2013

See my Natural Journey on Fotki: www.fotki.com/fabledbeauty

Current Favs<3 Taaliah Waajid Curly Curl Cream, Vegetable Glycerin and Pure Argan Oil!!!
That's why its been 9 years since I last straightened my hair.
APL BSL MBL WL HL TBL | porous, fine/medium strands, medium density
My Fotki!
Below: Typical PS bun
That's why its been 9 years since I last straightened my hair.
Originally Posted by greenandchic
Yup. I wish I could rock it straight like a lot of the thicker headed curlies but my fine porous hair is having none of that

Maybe one day. One LONG day away I will work up the nerve to try a roller set and a wrap. That's the closest these strands are gonna come to heat again.
3c/4aish, high porosity, fine strands,medium density cottony curls.

LOVES: (editing)

Save $10 off your order at Vitacost by clicking here for a code.


I'm not obsessed: I just LOVE my hair!!





I think the best way to straighten your hair is to use a heat protectant, start with a very warm and not get it bone straight. Roller sets is even safer.

My hair was pressed/ironed until it was bone, silky straight. I had no idea it could permanently damage my hair. This was way before web forums, YT, etc. Everyone around me had relaxers while I was still getting my hair pressed so I didn't have any examples to follow. I figured since I wasn't relaxing it, I wasn't damaging it. I still had way more hair than the averaged relaxed girl.

My wake up call when I saw a photo of myself wearing a wash-n-go (before we called it that!) after swimming and my hair was limp and lifeless. I then grew it out/transitioned as if it was relaxed.
Originally Posted by greenandchic
Heat damage is ultimately what lead to the demise of my relaxed hair. My hair was very resistant to chemical relaxers, and often times the "professionals" would leave it in my hair for 2-3 times as long as the manufacturers instructions. And either way, within a week, my hair looked like it had two textures. So I would flat iron, almost daily to accomplish a sleek straight, shiny look, with the flat iron pumped up to 375 degrees or more, I thought my hair could take that. The longest my relaxed hair grew was a teeny passed shoulder length. But it started to really shed something fierce, and before I knew it my shoulder length hair became neck length with fried ends and constant shedding, it was depressing. My once fuller ponytails were thinning, and I hated the way my hair was looking. (gosh Im rambling) I saw pictures of when my permed hair was at its prime- full, dense, long --and what I saw in the mirror wasn't cutting it anymore. But, ultimately this is why I transitioned shortly and big chopped, and also why I am scared, terrified almost, to straighten my hair, even once now. Granted, I abused my hair when it was relaxed I surely never catered to it the way I do now, but I would just hate to risk it, and besides, my hair is still a TWA, sort of.
Originally Posted by BellaAmore
My hair is also chemical resistant and im lp. The stylists would always leave the relaxer in longer which is terrible because my scalp is senstive. Ouch the scabs!!! I cant use permanent color either. My hair does okay with rinses so if i ever color again i will use that or henna. Looking back my grandma got her hair pressed every week of her life and it was "pretty" but never got past shoulder lenghth and wasnt very dense.
I think the best way to straighten your hair is to use a heat protectant, start with a very warm and not get it bone straight. Roller sets is even safer.

My hair was pressed/ironed until it was bone, silky straight. I had no idea it could permanently damage my hair. This was way before web forums, YT, etc. Everyone around me had relaxers while I was still getting my hair pressed so I didn't have any examples to follow. I figured since I wasn't relaxing it, I wasn't damaging it. I still had way more hair than the averaged relaxed girl.

My wake up call when I saw a photo of myself wearing a wash-n-go (before we called it that!) after swimming and my hair was limp and lifeless. I then grew it out/transitioned as if it was relaxed.
Originally Posted by greenandchic
Heat damage is ultimately what lead to the demise of my relaxed hair. My hair was very resistant to chemical relaxers, and often times the "professionals" would leave it in my hair for 2-3 times as long as the manufacturers instructions. And either way, within a week, my hair looked like it had two textures. So I would flat iron, almost daily to accomplish a sleek straight, shiny look, with the flat iron pumped up to 375 degrees or more, I thought my hair could take that. The longest my relaxed hair grew was a teeny passed shoulder length. But it started to really shed something fierce, and before I knew it my shoulder length hair became neck length with fried ends and constant shedding, it was depressing. My once fuller ponytails were thinning, and I hated the way my hair was looking. (gosh Im rambling) I saw pictures of when my permed hair was at its prime- full, dense, long --and what I saw in the mirror wasn't cutting it anymore. But, ultimately this is why I transitioned shortly and big chopped, and also why I am scared, terrified almost, to straighten my hair, even once now. Granted, I abused my hair when it was relaxed I surely never catered to it the way I do now, but I would just hate to risk it, and besides, my hair is still a TWA, sort of.
Originally Posted by BellaAmore
My hair is also chemical resistant and im lp. The stylists would always leave the relaxer in longer which is terrible because my scalp is senstive. Ouch the scabs!!! I cant use permanent color either. My hair does okay with rinses so if i ever color again i will use that or henna. Looking back my grandma got her hair pressed every week of her life and it was "pretty" but never got past shoulder lenghth and wasnt very dense.
Originally Posted by adthomas
The same here. Our family always got their hair pressed on Saturday, for church the next day. MamaRay's hair was beautiful, and it was passed her shoulders, but that was 40 years ago. But, honestly my hair was in better condition then, I think. I didn't have as much breakage...until I got older and started relaxing my hair. Everyones density in their hair is different, but I just don't do well with relaxers. The longest my hair has been with a relaxer is down below my chest and it was thin to me. I have been very sick over the years, and my age, and health, including relaxing, and curling irons has done a serious distaster on my hair. My hair was never real thick to begin with. Everyone else had serious dry hard bb's in the back of their kitchen and mine...I could put water and grease on mine, and style (braids or ponytail), but it would still turn into a big fro later. Well, anyway I can not do the heat with chemicals in my hair, not everyday...I cant. I will have hair all over the bathroom floor...its just to much for me.

Trending Topics


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com