Aue (or mostly) natural gel with the same firm hold as Eco Styler?

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Does such even exist???...

Besides KCCC which didn't do much for me, well it used to but actually stopped...


I'm on a hunt for a natural gel that can give me the same hold and 3-4 day hair like Eco Styler OO. Something that wont build up, and can easily get rinsed off with water...I plan on going the "organic" route for 2012, and so far I got everything replaced but my beloved Eco...


I love Flax seed gel particularly, for braid outs, but i'm currently experimenting on how I can get it firm enough to hold wash n goes...Any idea's on that also? I've heard of adding honey, xanthan gum and/or gelatin but see no reviews on it for 3c or 4a heads....


Donna Marie Miracurl is cool but the hold lessens by day 2...

How does Giovanni L.A. Natural Styling Gel compare to Eco?


I have no problem with curl definition, I just want hold for a little elongation (weight) w/o the frizz...It can be a custard , g/jelly or whatever kind of formation .


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I came in here ready to say KCCC until I read the OP. I'll be watching this thread closely because I am looking for something more natural too. KCCC has good hold, but it makes my hair feel like crap. I wanted something more natural than Eco, but haven't found it yet either.
KMF Upper Mgmt gel?
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KMF Upper Mgmt gel?
Originally Posted by Naturalista
girrrrllll? ....What does that even stand for?

NM I got it ...does it really? Is it as thick, and "gluey"? I see medium hold, wonder if it comes in firm
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KMF Upper Mgmt gel?
Originally Posted by Naturalista
girrrrllll? ....What does that even stand for?

NM I got it ...does it really? Is it as thick, and "gluey"? I see medium hold, wonder if it comes in firm
Originally Posted by NaturallyNiké
Kiss My Face gel is pretty good, it holds well but I haven't found anything that works the way eco styler does. Kiss My Face is what I use now mixed with castor oil, makes it less crunchy.

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Take that back ufdcm hold isn't as good as Eco... Sorry


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Adding honey to flaxseed gel gives it hold. The more you add the firmer the hold.

Xanthum gum gives it that gelly feel

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KMF Upper Mgmt gel?
Originally Posted by Naturalista
girrrrllll? ....What does that even stand for?

NM I got it ...does it really? Is it as thick, and "gluey"? I see medium hold, wonder if it comes in firm
Originally Posted by NaturallyNiké
Kiss My Face gel is pretty good, it holds well but I haven't found anything that works the way eco styler does. Kiss My Face is what I use now mixed with castor oil, makes it less crunchy.

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Originally Posted by secret_karma
It's like Eco Blue IMO. I should've been more specific.
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I don't know anything with hold like Eco. Kmf has a fairly soft hold for me.


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Update


I HAVE FOUND MY DUPE!!!!!


All it took was a lil more tweeking on my FSG, and I have a hit!...

The viscosity of the gel is still the same but once it's dry the hold is the same , well even MORE than the hold of Eco Styler for me...I mean my braids were actually hard! When I took the braids down fortunately I was able to SOTC w/ oil...Im pretty sure if I use a creamier leave in underneath it wont be that hard, because I definitely didn't this time...


So what was the key ingredient?


It was honey!

Now I read all about adding honey to FSG for a firmer hold but I had no idea it would do this much!


Ladies and gents, my hair is looking like a beauty supply store weave right now


and this is day 3! the shine is incredible too...



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Recipe

1/4 flaxseeds
1/2 cup of water

I boil longer than 5 mins to get a slightly thicker muscous...

After straining I add

1TBSPN of Aloe Vera Gel (FOTE)
1TBSPN of Honey
1TBSPN of Crisco shortening (previously warmed up to melt)
2-3 squirts of Marshmallow Root extract liquid, this actually give the gel more slip, I was able to detangle with it before braiding...

I use an electric hand mixer to whip it all together












thank you so much!!!


Adding honey to flaxseed gel gives it hold. The more you add the firmer the hold.

Xanthum gum gives it that gelly feel

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Originally Posted by Cerendipity
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Sealants:EVOO, JBCO, Crisco
DC:Matrix Condtioning Balm,Giovanni SAS,Honey, Glycerin
Shampoo:Dr.Bronner's Castile soap bar
Styler: Flaxseed,DM Miracurl, SheaMoist Smoothie, OYH S&D

Last edited by NaturallyNiké; 12-25-2011 at 03:07 PM.
Oh..if I had seen this earlier I would have said Agave Nectar in thick flax seed gel (I tried this sometime earlier in 2011 and it had a super hold, no flakes, and rinsed easy but it didn't work well for my hair properties)...but it's similiar to honey so you found your dupe. Honey and Agave are humectants as I'm sure you been knew so since your hair is low porosity I bet it will be good lasting results for you.

Oh wow..I wonder now that I have shorter hair that is low porosity if KCC will actually work for me..I still have 2 jars left. It was horrible on my longer super high porosity hair. I hated it. I hope I can stomach the smell though..I hated it before..but maybe since I only need a little now the smell won't gag me.
Oh and BTW..your curls look beautiful in the pictures..all that shine! LOVE IT!
Oh..if I had seen this earlier I would have said Agave Nectar in thick flax seed gel (I tried this sometime earlier in 2011 and it had a super hold, no flakes, and rinsed easy but it didn't work well for my hair properties)...but it's similiar to honey so you found your dupe. Honey and Agave are humectants as I'm sure you been knew so since your hair is low porosity I bet it will be good lasting results for you.

Oh wow..I wonder now that I have shorter hair that is low porosity if KCC will actually work for me..I still have 2 jars left. It was horrible on my longer super high porosity hair. I hated it. I hope I can stomach the smell though..I hated it before..but maybe since I only need a little now the smell won't gag me.
Originally Posted by *Marah*

thank you Marah! Yes it seems to be holding up very well, i'm giving it two more days...I'm actually amazed because not even Eco Styler gives me this much shine...

For some reason KCCC just stopped doing anything for my hair... I never thought about my porosity having an effect on it...hmmm

I thought it was because my hair styles better when damp or dry and the soak and wet hair that was required to apply KCCC just voided results...

But I do notice, the more in check your porosity is, the better products perform ,so you may be on to something!


You don't like the smell of cupcakes?? :-O lol
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Leave-in/Moisturizer: Giovanni Direct Leave in
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DC:Matrix Condtioning Balm,Giovanni SAS,Honey, Glycerin
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Styler: Flaxseed,DM Miracurl, SheaMoist Smoothie, OYH S&D
LOL..the KCC doesn't smell like cupcakes to me..I'm not sure how to describe it..but it's way too sweet for my liking. I prefer earthy/natural scents more I guess. Like I actually like the way the brown flaxseeds smell. To me they smell like some sort of tea.

A lot of sweet smelling perfumed stuff gives me a horrific headache and I actually feel queasy. It's one of the reasons I use body wash instead of perfumes. And the only perfumes I wear are mainly the Philosophy perfumes..specifically Pure Grace..it smells like fresh soap and water.
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LOL..the KCC doesn't smell like cupcakes to me..I'm not sure how to describe it..but it's way too sweet for my liking. I prefer earthy/natural scents more I guess. Like I actually like the way the brown flaxseeds smell. To me they smell like some sort of tea.

A lot of sweet smelling perfumed stuff gives me a horrific headache and I actually feel queasy. It's one of the reasons I use body wash instead of perfumes. And the only perfumes I wear are mainly the Philosophy perfumes..specifically Pure Grace..it smells like fresh soap and water.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I understand exactly what you mean...it's that feeling you get when you eat too much syrup...a sugar rush, but I get it more with eating the food over smelling it lol

flaxseeds smell like potato water to me, that is funny how we pick up scents differently

But like you, I like zesty fresh scents that are mildly sweet too!
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DC:Matrix Condtioning Balm,Giovanni SAS,Honey, Glycerin
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LOL..the KCC doesn't smell like cupcakes to me..I'm not sure how to describe it..but it's way too sweet for my liking. I prefer earthy/natural scents more I guess. Like I actually like the way the brown flaxseeds smell. To me they smell like some sort of tea.

A lot of sweet smelling perfumed stuff gives me a horrific headache and I actually feel queasy. It's one of the reasons I use body wash instead of perfumes. And the only perfumes I wear are mainly the Philosophy perfumes..specifically Pure Grace..it smells like fresh soap and water.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
It made me gag when I unscrewed the top. I held my breath everytime I used it.
LOL..the KCC doesn't smell like cupcakes to me..I'm not sure how to describe it..but it's way too sweet for my liking. I prefer earthy/natural scents more I guess. Like I actually like the way the brown flaxseeds smell. To me they smell like some sort of tea.

A lot of sweet smelling perfumed stuff gives me a horrific headache and I actually feel queasy. It's one of the reasons I use body wash instead of perfumes. And the only perfumes I wear are mainly the Philosophy perfumes..specifically Pure Grace..it smells like fresh soap and water.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
It made me gag when I unscrewed the top. I held my breath everytime I used it.
Originally Posted by FoxyCleopatraGuide
And that's one of thee MAJOR reasons why I don't understand why people love it sooo much. I just hated everything about it..except it gave my hair this amazing shine and sure it had hold but my hair was crispy and it looked sort of like maybe a non-oily jheri curl or something. Took a long time for it to dry and I was so sticky..neck, ears, forehead, back. I don't care if it's natural..it's not worth the drama to me.

To me the pink and blue Ecostylers KILL KCC any day of the week when used with a good leave-in..like Tresemme Naturals. And both combined don't cost as much as KCC & Knot Today! When I get my hair back..Ecostyler (the pink & the blue) will definitely be staples..I don't care if it's not natural..gotta die of somein'! And I'm going with happy hair!
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KCCC was always easy for me to use and the smell seems light to me. I have a pretty keen sense of smell too! I don't really style my hair wet anymore but it works well in my modified Kimmytube leave in mix as a sub for aloe vera juice for more hold. Everything isn't for everybody I guess! I noticed that for slicking my edges down, Donna Marie Miracurl Gelly is great! I hate it for all over the hair use since it has tiny bits of what seems like flaxseed in it, but I a small amount is all that is needed. It even lasted through a Bikram Yoga class.

I think adding honey to flaxseed for additional hold is too cool! I would love to try it in the future
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Adding honey to flaxseed gel gives it hold. The more you add the firmer the hold.

Xanthum gum gives it that gelly feel

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Originally Posted by Cerendipity
I agree with the honey for added hold. It's the only thing I add to my FSG and it gives great hold and awesome sheen to my buns.
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