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Thanks Korkscrew and ADThomas. I was really worried. I was the black girl who was teased for acting "white" and got wide eyed when I tell people I did not get into rap until later on in life. I really had to quote you Thomas on the "stay black and die" comment because that was what I was feeling when she was saying stop telling her this and that. I was telling my mom this story too and she wasn't fussing either. It felt good to get that off my chest though. That is one drawback of being in Taiwan hard to get "kitchen table talk" in.
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Hey, no problem People can be such a PIA sometimes with all the silly expectations.

How long will you be staying in Taiwan?
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Thanks Korkscrew and ADThomas. I was really worried. I was the black girl who was teased for acting "white" and got wide eyed when I tell people I did not get into rap until later on in life. I really had to quote you Thomas on the "stay black and die" comment because that was what I was feeling when she was saying stop telling her this and that. I was telling my mom this story too and she wasn't fussing either. It felt good to get that off my chest though. That is one drawback of being in Taiwan hard to get "kitchen table talk" in.
Originally Posted by gagirl09
LOL! "The only thing I have to do is stay black and die" is one of my fav phrases. I forgot I said it on here.
My friend and I went to see Gravity. I thought the special effects were good, the acting was good but the storyline was very predictable. I don't want to give it away but I was at no point surprised. I think a good movie has to throw me off a bit.
OOOOh I want to see Gravity!!! I was going to go if I had gotten paid this Saturday but alas. I must wait until Monday apparently.

Anywayz Korkscrew my contract is up in July but I really want to stay awhile. I thought the max maybe 4 years but I'm just gonna play it by ear.
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OOOOh I want to see Gravity!!! I was going to go if I had gotten paid this Saturday but alas. I must wait until Monday apparently.

Anywayz Korkscrew my contract is up in July but I really want to stay awhile. I thought the max maybe 4 years but I'm just gonna play it by ear.
Originally Posted by gagirl09
I wonder how the show American movies there. Subtitles or voice dubs.A lot of my friends hate reading movies but I hate he voice dubs. I lived in Mexico for awhile and it's weird hearing a different voice come out of Sylvester Stallone's mouth. Remember how the old Karate movies did that and the mouth movement didn't match the words.
Thanks Korkscrew and ADThomas. I was really worried. I was the black girl who was teased for acting "white" and got wide eyed when I tell people I did not get into rap until later on in life. I really had to quote you Thomas on the "stay black and die" comment because that was what I was feeling when she was saying stop telling her this and that. I was telling my mom this story too and she wasn't fussing either. It felt good to get that off my chest though. That is one drawback of being in Taiwan hard to get "kitchen table talk" in.
Originally Posted by gagirl09
Sometimes family members just don't get it.

Don't beat yourself up over it.
OOOOh I want to see Gravity!!! I was going to go if I had gotten paid this Saturday but alas. I must wait until Monday apparently.

Anywayz Korkscrew my contract is up in July but I really want to stay awhile. I thought the max maybe 4 years but I'm just gonna play it by ear.
Originally Posted by gagirl09
I wonder how the show American movies there. Subtitles or voice dubs.A lot of my friends hate reading movies but I hate he voice dubs. I lived in Mexico for awhile and it's weird hearing a different voice come out of Sylvester Stallone's mouth. Remember how the old Karate movies did that and the mouth movement didn't match the words.
Originally Posted by adthomas
They have text at the bottom in Chinese. The movie is still spoke in English. Don't worry, they are used to. Local tv shows speak Chinese and also have Chinese subtitles too.
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Thanks Korkscrew and ADThomas. I was really worried. I was the black girl who was teased for acting "white" and got wide eyed when I tell people I did not get into rap until later on in life. I really had to quote you Thomas on the "stay black and die" comment because that was what I was feeling when she was saying stop telling her this and that. I was telling my mom this story too and she wasn't fussing either. It felt good to get that off my chest though. That is one drawback of being in Taiwan hard to get "kitchen table talk" in.
Originally Posted by gagirl09
Sometimes family members just don't get it.

Don't beat yourself up over it.
Originally Posted by Blueblood
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So on my mom's side and my dad's side I have white people who are my cousins from slave/master relationships. The ones on my mom's side I know who they are but I don't personally know them. My relatives who still live in where most of my family is from do know them though. On my dad's side I know some of them and we talk, email have come to visit. Anyway my cousin who is white suggested getting a DNA test to prove whether or not our ancestor is the father of slave children but she said we needed a direct male. No women in between. After months of digging I found one living in California and he wants to be tested. My cousin is making the arrangements. I think this is interesting news because I don't think it is too often that the families initiate these tests especially not the white descendants on the slave owner. I don't think the Tom Jefferson's family was too thrilled. I will let you know what Maury says. Lol!
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Intriguing. An alleged white ancestor of slave owners could be secretly hoping the DNA showed otherwise, and that s/he was in no way related to someone black. But I can be cynical. ... Actually, on 23andme there's a blog about whites interested in their possible (distant) African ancestry. So yeah, I can be cynical.
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Intriguing. An alleged white ancestor of slave owners could be secretly hoping the DNA showed otherwise, and that s/he was in no way related to someone black. But I can be cynical. ... Actually, on 23andme there's a blog about whites interested in their possible (distant) African ancestry. So yeah, I can be cynical.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
I doubt that is the case for AdThomas' family since they recognize each other ad relatives, but there are probably others who would have that motive.

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Hi Ladies. I am glad to see you are still hanging in.

Adthomas, I am very interested in the outcome of the DNA test. I don't know who I am related to, beyond grandparents on either side of my family.
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I doubt that is the case for AdThomas' family since they recognize each other ad relatives, but there are probably others who would have that motive.

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Originally Posted by multicultcurly
I was speaking in general terms
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Intriguing. An alleged white ancestor of slave owners could be secretly hoping the DNA showed otherwise, and that s/he was in no way related to someone black. But I can be cynical. ... Actually, on 23andme there's a blog about whites interested in their possible (distant) African ancestry. So yeah, I can be cynical.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
I want to read that blog. I will look for it.

I don't think that is the case here. My cousin has actually gone to the courthouse where that side of the family is from to pull records like my ggggrandfather Thomas' will. He was born a slave. She has even given me copies of the white ancestor's slave schedules and wills that I have found Thomas and other of my black relatives listed in. Actually Thomas fought in Civil War for the Union Colored Infantry and his white owner relatives fought for Confederacy. But after war I don't think there were any hard feelings because I found a deposition from one of the white relatives in his pension records.

Now on my mom's side a DNA test would be pointless because my relatives have been living in that same small farming community since early 1800s. Everbody knows who is related. No big secrets. People only started migrating some with my grandpa's generation and usually they move back when they get old because my family owns a lot of land. I just go to visit but I will probably move there when I'm really old and be buried in the church graveyard with the rest of my peeps.
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Originally Posted by Korkscrew
Interesting read. It is surprising how ignorant so many Americans are of American history. Because of the one drop rule, physically white people with known African ancestry moved to places where they would be accepted as just white, a.k.a. passing. Their descendants mated with other whites, so the African ancestry gets smaller with each generation until it no longer shows up. Duh.

Some of the commenters are finding ways to rationalize that this can't be slave ancestry. Smh.

It also seems that the rural eastern US was much more lax with racial mixing. There seems to be a lot of people who culturally are African American but physically look Native American, those who identify as white but if they moved to other parts of the country would be too dark to be considered simply white. Also, the Melungeons come from this part of the country.

America's concept of race is complicated and warped, especially when people don't want to acknowledge the history behind it.

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Originally Posted by Korkscrew
Interesting read. It is surprising how ignorant so many Americans are of American history. Because of the one drop rule, physically white people with known African ancestry moved to places where they would be accepted as just white, a.k.a. passing. Their descendants mated with other whites, so the African ancestry gets smaller with each generation until it no longer shows up. Duh.

Some of the commenters are finding ways to rationalize that this can't be slave ancestry. Smh.

It also seems that the rural eastern US was much more lax with racial mixing. There seems to be a lot of people who culturally are African American but physically look Native American, those who identify as white but if they moved to other parts of the country would be too dark to be considered simply white. Also, the Melungeons come from this part of the country.

America's concept of race is complicated and warped, especially when people don't want to acknowledge the history behind it.

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Originally Posted by multicultcurly
Word! ... I've also found it interesting that so many people in the US are quick to "claim Native". Not just blacks, but whites too.

With more affordable DNA testing, a lot of people making those claims are finding they don't have any detectable Native ancestry. My pet theory is that a fair percentage of whites who are eager to claim Native ancestry do so because they feel it relieves them of white guilt associated with abuse of Natives and the act of stealing their land. Also, if they can say they are (in part) Native, then suddenly no fingers are pointed at them, plus they might even get positive attention from liberal friends for being an "exotic other" who has been disenfranchised. Often, I think the reason many whites don't claim African ancestry is because Africans are more of a visible presence in society and a group that stands up and rightfuly demands equality among whites, so that there's tension/feelings of polarity and competition, whereas most Natives live on the outskirts of society and frankly, are in worse economic, social and political trouble than blacks or anyone else in the US [especially re: violent crime rates (esp. homocide/suicide)], chemical dependency and lack of education). ... It's easy to romanticize a group of people who you rarely see, who you conquered and who are nearly removed from the public conscience IMO.

As for so many blacks often claiming "Native", maybe there's some internalized racism going on there for some, like saying you are something other than "just black" as a way to try and get more social acceptance. Obvious it's also more politically correct in some circles to say you are part Native rather than waxing poetic about being part white.
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Here you go
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
Interesting read. It is surprising how ignorant so many Americans are of American history. Because of the one drop rule, physically white people with known African ancestry moved to places where they would be accepted as just white, a.k.a. passing. Their descendants mated with other whites, so the African ancestry gets smaller with each generation until it no longer shows up. Duh.

Some of the commenters are finding ways to rationalize that this can't be slave ancestry. Smh.

It also seems that the rural eastern US was much more lax with racial mixing. There seems to be a lot of people who culturally are African American but physically look Native American, those who identify as white but if they moved to other parts of the country would be too dark to be considered simply white. Also, the Melungeons come from this part of the country.

America's concept of race is complicated and warped, especially when people don't want to acknowledge the history behind it.

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Originally Posted by multicultcurly
Word! ... I've also found it interesting that so many people in the US are quick to "claim Native". Not just blacks, but whites too.

With more affordable DNA testing, a lot of people making those claims are finding they don't have any detectable Native ancestry. My pet theory is that a fair percentage of whites who are eager to claim Native ancestry do so because they feel it relieves them of white guilt associated with abuse of Natives and the act of stealing their land. Also, if they can say they are (in part) Native, then suddenly no fingers are pointed at them, plus they might even get positive attention from liberal friends for being an "exotic other" who has been disenfranchised. Often, I think the reason many whites don't claim African ancestry is because Africans are more of a visible presence in society and a group that stands up and rightfuly demands equality among whites, so that there's tension/feelings of polarity and competition, whereas most Natives live on the outskirts of society and frankly, are in worse economic, social and political trouble than blacks or anyone else in the US [especially re: violent crime rates (esp. homocide/suicide)], chemical dependency and lack of education). ... It's easy to romanticize a group of people who you rarely see, who you conquered and who are nearly removed from the public conscience IMO.

As for so many blacks often claiming "Native", maybe there's some internalized racism going on there for some, like saying you are something other than "just black" as a way to try and get more social acceptance. Obvious it's also more politically correct in some circles to say you are part Native rather than waxing poetic about being part white.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
I think like Multicurly said many of those who could pass for white did so because of the advantages during the Jim Crow era. I guess some people can't handle that some of their ancestors were passing. Plus I have noticed a lot of people bashing black people on Facebook and news sites. Some people seem to thnk we all have EBT cards. The racists would have a stroke if they found out they had black blood. But to be fair there are racist blacks who are not keen on having white blood. I think why so many black Americans claim NA heritage is because they have features that suggest some type of racial mixture ie my aunt who is lily white and covered in freckles but they don't want to admit it is European. Saying you are the product of a Cherokee love affair on the plains sounds better than being the result of a slave rape on the plantation. Also claiming NA heritage wouldn't always be a helpful thing back in the day. Some people don't realize the term "colored" doesn't mean just black. It means anyone who is not white so in some places NA and black populations were lumped in together.

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