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Old 11-12-2013, 03:14 PM   #20461
 
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White supremacist Craig Cobb told he is 14% African in televised DNA test - Americas - World - The Independent
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Statistical noise? Yeah whatevs. That's far too high to be statistical noise. His only hope of having no African ancestry based on that test is a saliva sample that was accidentally switched out for someone else's. Doubt it haha.

Anyway, was just discussing this news story on another thread. Ideally, every silly "white pride" org in the US would insist on administering ancestral DNA tests to all their members, both new and old. That would knock their ranks back unbelievably, taking what were once a series of organizations down to just a couple/few tiny support groups. Meetings would be held in, you know, a comfy little windowless basement room where you could slug back a bunch of beers to drown your collective sorrows. You and the other two participants could misquote Benjamin Nathaniel Smith or passages out of Mein Kampf (a book title you'd never be able to correctly spell), then lament the relentless and inevitable social advancement of people everywhere. You'd listen to each other's sobs echoed off barren walls as you languished in the death throes of popularized ritual hatred.

Of course the racist twits would have to be intelligent enough to interpret the DNA tests, so I don't feel too hopeful.
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I agree that isn't all statistical noise. Lol. The percent error is usually under 1%. And his percentage is high, as I have heard of many white people having 5% or a little less.

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Because of my experience with ancestral dna test I think there is a possibility his results could be total bs. I have so many close cousin matches with people who share none of my ethnicities and have no common ancestors. My family has done extensive genealogy research. I feel like if someone was an actual 4th cousin it would be obvious in our trees. Only two matches out of dozens are for sure my cousins from because common people on our family tree.

But still I just think this is hillarious all the same.
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But in all fairness I don't know the kind of test or company his test was with. They may be a great company. I just know mine has been widely and publically criticized for sketchy results in eyhnicities. Because of complaints this company did an "upgrade" about a month ago and gave everyone new ethnicity results. Ironically my updated results fell more in line with what my great aunt told me. I believe her more than a dna test.
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Which service did you use? I have been interested in GED Match because of the health results. However, I have heard this one rates the subsaharan African percentage higher than other DNA tests AND also has a lot of vague results. However, I find it doubtful that guy doesn't have any subsaharan African ancestry, as that is pretty high. I guess that someone in the past four generations of his family "passed" for white and for understandable reasons never mentioned black ancestry. That has to be horrible though to know that if anyone found out, you might be killed, especially if the white supremacy went back that far.

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One of my sisters surprised me w/a kit from 23andme recently. The results were interesting and confirmed most of what I'd already suspected but hadn't factually known. There were a couple shockers though.

One of my brothers is going to take the test to find out more about my dad's side. I have just under 1000 relatives listed on site, mostly accounted for by my strong Ashkenazi ancestry (which turned out to be the largest % or what I am). Ashk. Jews are so closely related to each other that pretty much any other Ashk. Jew in the US can be considered at least a distant cousin. Crazy to think I've dated a bunch of cousins already lol

I also think if you're gonna do one reputable test, better to eventually take one or more tests from other reputable companies for better accuracy. So I'll do that when I have the time and inclination.
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Which service did you use? I have been interested in GED Match because of the health results. However, I have heard this one rates the subsaharan African percentage higher than other DNA tests AND also has a lot of vague results. However, I find it doubtful that guy doesn't have any subsaharan African ancestry, as that is pretty high. I guess that someone in the past four generations of his family "passed" for white and for understandable reasons never mentioned black ancestry. That has to be horrible though to know that if anyone found out, you might be killed, especially if the white supremacy went back that far.

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Yeah, dude's relatives were likely passing.

I will PM you the name. I don't think I'm supposed to be on here bashing this company like I'm about to do. I believe their matches can detect cousin relationships. I believe everyone they say is my cousin is my cousin just not as close a cousin as they say. What they don't publicize which I found out through research is if you have recent intermarriage ie last five generations among cousins in your family ( which I do) it will skew your results. their ethnic results imo are bogus. I believe that not only from my experience but from the many many reviews I have read. It is one thing if you "heard" one of your ancestors was a certain race and it didn't show up on test and another if you "knew" this relative and it didn't show up. For example my grandfather's grandmother was half white half black. They grew up with her. My aunt told the white side originated in Ireland. Actually the white cousins still live in same community as my aunt. I traced all the family records all back to Ireland and Scotland. I take test and it gives white cousins for days yet no European ancestry.One guy told me his great grandfather was from Japan but he showed no Asian. Anyway the "new" results miraculously found some british and irish and a bunch of other things not in my original results. I think some of the stuff they claim to be in my dna to be highly unlikely because I have done extensive research from visiting cemeteries to pouring over records at the courthouse. As I said I believe my aunt and not the dna test.
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One of my sisters surprised me w/a kit from 23andme recently. The results were interesting and confirmed most of what I'd already suspected but hadn't factually known. There were a couple shockers though.

One of my brothers is going to take the test to find out more about my dad's side. I have just under 1000 relatives listed on site, mostly accounted for by my strong Ashkenazi ancestry (which turned out to be the largest % or what I am). Ashk. Jews are so closely related to each other that pretty much any other Ashk. Jew in the US can be considered at least a distant cousin. Crazy to think I've dated a bunch of cousins already lol

I also think if you're gonna do one reputable test, better to eventually take one or more tests from other reputable companies for better accuracy. So I'll do that when I have the time and inclination.
Kork, I realized my issue after reading about the Ashk Jews. I'm not Jewish but I read that because there was so much intermarriage the dna readings come out differently. Basically it makes you look more closely related to people than you are. My mom's side and some of my dad's family haved lived same small area for six generations. They owned farms and had large families and after awhile began marrying. WE DON'T DO THIS ANYMORE THOUGH. I have people who are my cousins several times over on mom's side or several times on dad and people my cousins on my mom and my dad sides. This company gives me cousin matches every single day. I think companies should tell you upfront intermarriage may be an affect. I believe this could also affect your percentages. How could it not with some much b
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Which service did you use? I have been interested in GED Match because of the health results. However, I have heard this one rates the subsaharan African percentage higher than other DNA tests AND also has a lot of vague results. However, I find it doubtful that guy doesn't have any subsaharan African ancestry, as that is pretty high. I guess that someone in the past four generations of his family "passed" for white and for understandable reasons never mentioned black ancestry. That has to be horrible though to know that if anyone found out, you might be killed, especially if the white supremacy went back that far.

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But what if there were a whole town located in a historically uber-racist area of this country, where people who allegedly could "pass" for white insisted they are "black and proud", even in the face of profound discrimination and constant threat of death? ... Oh wait, that town and those people do exist. Frankly, I do think the ppl look like what they are (mixed) based on the pics shown at that site. Things get especially interesting when some of the ppl's kids decide to deny any of their black heritage and pretend their family isn't related to them. The subject of DNA testing does come up too.
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One of my sisters surprised me w/a kit from 23andme recently. The results were interesting and confirmed most of what I'd already suspected but hadn't factually known. There were a couple shockers though.

One of my brothers is going to take the test to find out more about my dad's side. I have just under 1000 relatives listed on site, mostly accounted for by my strong Ashkenazi ancestry (which turned out to be the largest % or what I am). Ashk. Jews are so closely related to each other that pretty much any other Ashk. Jew in the US can be considered at least a distant cousin. Crazy to think I've dated a bunch of cousins already lol

I also think if you're gonna do one reputable test, better to eventually take one or more tests from other reputable companies for better accuracy. So I'll do that when I have the time and inclination.
Kork, I realized my issue after reading about the Ashk Jews. I'm not Jewish but I read that because there was so much intermarriage the dna readings come out differently. Basically it makes you look more closely related to people than you are. My mom's side and some of my dad's family haved lived same small area for six generations. They owned farms and had large families and after awhile began marrying. WE DON'T DO THIS ANYMORE THOUGH. I have people who are my cousins several times over on mom's side or several times on dad and people my cousins on my mom and my dad sides. This company gives me cousin matches every single day. I think companies should tell you upfront intermarriage may be an affect. I believe this could also affect your percentages. How could it not with some much b
Yeah AdT, I think you and I will probably agree that these tests are still far from perfect. This is kind of a negative way to put it, but all the inbreeding that occurred over so many years between this tribe of Jews is, I think, pretty much a straight forward explanation for all the cousins, in my case. All that inbreeding is also the same thing that sets so many of us up for a host of diseases that other groups don't suffer as frequently. Honestly? My preference: I really don't care who my 4th, 5th and 6th cousins are anyhow. I don't have the desire to look all those people up or to keep in touch w/them afterward. I have a lot of 2nd cousins listed at the site and I'm not moved to reach out and touch them either. I guess I'm kind of anti-social that way ... Or maybe it's just that I already enjoy contact w/a bunch of immediate cousins from both sides of the family.
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I didn't yet click on your link Korkscrew, but there are people who are mostly white with no telltale signs of African heritage, yet when someone found out that there was even a suspicion of black ancestry, that person became black and had no rights or very limited ones. IMO, this reflects why being black carried such a stigma. You could be part Native American with light brown skin and could still be grudgingly accepted as white, yet someone who looked like Christie Brinkley or Ashley Greene would no longer be white for having a black relative as far back as six generations if someone found out. It was as if to be even part black was a character defect.

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I wonder if 23andMe is the DNA testing I was thinking of that does the genetic health testing.

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History of Asian-American immigration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think it was as hard being black it was not being white. Until fairly recent history Asians were not allowed to become naturalized citizens of the US. Only blacks and whites. A Syrian man went to court to be declared " white" because of this.
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One of my sisters surprised me w/a kit from 23andme recently. The results were interesting and confirmed most of what I'd already suspected but hadn't factually known. There were a couple shockers though.

One of my brothers is going to take the test to find out more about my dad's side. I have just under 1000 relatives listed on site, mostly accounted for by my strong Ashkenazi ancestry (which turned out to be the largest % or what I am). Ashk. Jews are so closely related to each other that pretty much any other Ashk. Jew in the US can be considered at least a distant cousin. Crazy to think I've dated a bunch of cousins already lol

I also think if you're gonna do one reputable test, better to eventually take one or more tests from other reputable companies for better accuracy. So I'll do that when I have the time and inclination.
Kork, I realized my issue after reading about the Ashk Jews. I'm not Jewish but I read that because there was so much intermarriage the dna readings come out differently. Basically it makes you look more closely related to people than you are. My mom's side and some of my dad's family haved lived same small area for six generations. They owned farms and had large families and after awhile began marrying. WE DON'T DO THIS ANYMORE THOUGH. I have people who are my cousins several times over on mom's side or several times on dad and people my cousins on my mom and my dad sides. This company gives me cousin matches every single day. I think companies should tell you upfront intermarriage may be an affect. I believe this could also affect your percentages. How could it not with some much b
Yeah AdT, I think you and I will probably agree that these tests are still far from perfect. This is kind of a negative way to put it, but all the inbreeding that occurred over so many years between this tribe of Jews is, I think, pretty much a straight forward explanation for all the cousins, in my case. All that inbreeding is also the same thing that sets so many of us up for a host of diseases that other groups don't suffer as frequently. Honestly? My preference: I really don't care who my 4th, 5th and 6th cousins are anyhow. I don't have the desire to look all those people up or to keep in touch w/them afterward. I have a lot of 2nd cousins listed at the site and I'm not moved to reach out and touch them either. I guess I'm kind of anti-social that way ... Or maybe it's just that I already enjoy contact w/a bunch of immediate cousins from both sides of the family.
I feel you. I'm an only child and I love cousins. I have at least 22 first cousins. Actually more but long story. My mom probably has 50 first cousins as a consevative guess. We are close bunch mostly. I visit and call up distant cousins.I'm going to stay a few days next month with a cousin whose grandma and my greatgrandma were sisters. We have a family FB page with 300+ members and there are many more..
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I didn't yet click on your link Korkscrew, but there are people who are mostly white with no telltale signs of African heritage, yet when someone found out that there was even a suspicion of black ancestry, that person became black and had no rights or very limited ones. IMO, this reflects why being black carried such a stigma. You could be part Native American with light brown skin and could still be grudgingly accepted as white, yet someone who looked like Christie Brinkley or Ashley Greene would no longer be white for having a black relative as far back as six generations if someone found out. It was as if to be even part black was a character defect.

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I see what you mean MultiCC: that whole "One Drop Rule" thing. Ugh.

For a while I wondered how it was that - even today - you have a lot of whites in the US shying away from African ancestry, while mysteriously falling all over themselves to claim or locate any Native American ancestry. I mean, Indians, like Africans, also look "different" and presently they suffer worse poverty, substance abuse problems, general health problems, illiteracy and crime rates than any group in the US. Nothing most people would want to be associated with, on the surface.

Then it occurred to me: it's easier for whites to romanticize a group of people they COMPLETELY conquered and who are largely invisible at this time. Whites (or any of us) can imagine whatever about Indians. It's easier to ignore the fact that they weren't and aren't all some peaceful, spiritual stereotype when you don't see them around. ... Blacks? Well Blacks were NOT conquered, of course. Their very survival, their presence and their obvious continued struggles and triumphs are a subconscious reminder to whites of what whites did to blacks in this country. To guard against the heavy guilt that triggers, guilt turns to defensiveness turns to anger turns to denial, rejection and bigotry. And so it goes.

Plus, if you can convince yourself you have Blackfoot ancestry somewhere, suddenly some or all of your "white guilt" over all those atrocities committed against Indians is alleviated. Aha! Now your legacy includes suffering and victimhood, not just exploitation of others. What a relief. ... This reminds me, as I expected, I don't appear to have any NA ancestry (the % I have is negligible, so low it aint worth repeating).

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Kork, I realized my issue after reading about the Ashk Jews. I'm not Jewish but I read that because there was so much intermarriage the dna readings come out differently. Basically it makes you look more closely related to people than you are. My mom's side and some of my dad's family haved lived same small area for six generations. They owned farms and had large families and after awhile began marrying. WE DON'T DO THIS ANYMORE THOUGH. I have people who are my cousins several times over on mom's side or several times on dad and people my cousins on my mom and my dad sides. This company gives me cousin matches every single day. I think companies should tell you upfront intermarriage may be an affect. I believe this could also affect your percentages. How could it not with some much b
Yeah AdT, I think you and I will probably agree that these tests are still far from perfect. This is kind of a negative way to put it, but all the inbreeding that occurred over so many years between this tribe of Jews is, I think, pretty much a straight forward explanation for all the cousins, in my case. All that inbreeding is also the same thing that sets so many of us up for a host of diseases that other groups don't suffer as frequently. Honestly? My preference: I really don't care who my 4th, 5th and 6th cousins are anyhow. I don't have the desire to look all those people up or to keep in touch w/them afterward. I have a lot of 2nd cousins listed at the site and I'm not moved to reach out and touch them either. I guess I'm kind of anti-social that way ... Or maybe it's just that I already enjoy contact w/a bunch of immediate cousins from both sides of the family.
I feel you. I'm an only child and I love cousins. I have at least 22 first cousins. Actually more but long story. My mom probably has 50 first cousins as a consevative guess. We are close bunch mostly. I visit and call up distant cousins.I'm going to stay a few days next month with a cousin whose grandma and my greatgrandma were sisters. We have a family FB page with 300+ members and there are many more..
That's really cool! My family isn't quite that big but it sounds like you have a lot of fun with all your peeps (that's my experience w/my peeps too) Such a blessing to get a long with relatives. I've found that is NOT a given that that happens for everyone lol
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That sounds like fun. Sometimes I go to a monthly event in New Orleans called Uke Joint and people show up with their instruments and get up and play. They are really talented.
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