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Originally Posted by cocodej
Yup. America is not a country I would feel safe in as a black individual and I would not raise a family in a lot of these "modern" cities. And they wonder why a lot of the world looks down on them.

I live in a small town in france and visited even smaller towns. The only black person and never once did I feel like the outsider I was when I lived in Vail CO.

America may be "the land of the free" but sure do make sure you know that while all men are created equal, some are more equal than others.

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Originally Posted by soleilmoncur
I feel almost the same way living in Okinawa. I've lived here for 12 years and I've never felt discriminated against by Okinawan people, Okinawan police off base, or American Military police on base. I'm thankful that I can't relate to racial profiling but I'm ashamed that it goes on in my home country that I love very dearly.

And a big "Heck yes!" to ze bolded!
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Off topic. What are you doing in japan? I would like to work there for a summer or a year but I have no idea where to start!



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I wonder what Zimmerman identifies hisself as. That will trump all speculation.

And irregardless of what he identifies as, it wouldn't pacify the FACT that he's a slimy racist douche.


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Originally Posted by CocoT
but can we acknowledge the fact that hispanics (white, black, and mulatto alike) can be some racist ass mofos?! i know we're supposed to be all "la di da, black and brown, we're in this together! fight the power!" but... on a day to day, interpersonal level, the hispanics i come across are egregious racists i've ever seen. i know not all of them are, but i'm just sayin'. idk why ppl always throw out the fact that someone is hispanic in cases like these, like it makes a dang difference.

off topic: last semester, i had a group project. one of the dudes in the group was dominican, and he told us a story about how when he was in DR once, he told the boarder patrol guy to beat a haitian w/ a rubber hose... idk WHAT made him think we'd be okay w/ hearing that. he tried to play it off and say he felt bad after, but we had a permanent side eye for him ever since
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I wonder what Zimmerman identifies hisself as. That will trump all speculation.

And irregardless of what he identifies as, it wouldn't pacify the FACT that he's a slimy racist douche.


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Originally Posted by CocoT
Well now that he's being called all kinds of racist--he'll probably identify himself as a part of the most denigrated, marginalized minority that he can think of...if he can get away with calling himself black, he will.
Originally Posted by AmberBrown
he should've tried to call himself an octoroon.

I will say you are probably being too optimistic. I see a lot of people of color with your way of looking at it.. I used to be one of those people. Always trying to see .."another way" to it with these heathens. And as I've aged and really opened my eyes to these damn heathen ways.. I know the real deal. And for me.. they aren't slick. Not falling for the okie doke.

And I watch Fox News, I listen to Rush and Sean Hannity. And I read up on what the hell Ann Coulter's (something I can't say here) azz is up to..I pay attention to them and what they say very closely. MSNBC .. I watch it but when I want the real nitty gritty of what these (something I can't say here) are up to.. in my opinion it's best to go to the damn source. Cause MSNBC does to much pu**yfooting around for me. I know this is horrible to say but I get sick and tired of these damn Conservatives getting away with this ish while Liberals talking all around an issue instead of calling these heathens exactly what the hell they are.. let me stop. Cause..just SMDH.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
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Originally Posted by CocoT
I'm not American but I would like to know why there are Black Republicans. Alice Walker mentioned it before but it boggles my mind when these people are straight up racist. I'm not even touching healthcare and the contraceptive debate but I want to know how you can support a party with dominantly racist views.
Originally Posted by soleilmoncur
minus the racism, a lot of black ppl's values are actually quite conservative. i noticed that a while ago, there are so many black ppl that claim to be liberal, when they are very clearly conservatives; mainly b/c conservatives have made a reputation of being racist for themselves. i think the black ppl that ID as conservative are just aligning themselves w/ the group that they have the most in common with ideologically, and ignoring (or helping to perpetuate) the blatant racism.

i guess some ppl don't realize that you can just be an independent...

and i'm sorry, but black ppl's love for bill clinton annoys the living sh*t out of me. folks acting like he's the graet white savior, when he argruably made things WORSE for black ppl in the US while he was in office. now he got an office in harlem and he's an honorary black person.
I wonder what Zimmerman identifies hisself as. That will trump all speculation.

And irregardless of what he identifies as, it wouldn't pacify the FACT that he's a slimy racist douche.


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Originally Posted by CocoT
but we acknowledge the fact that hispanics (white, black, and mulatto alike) can be some racist ass mofos?! i know we're supposed to be all "la di da, black and brown, we're in this together! fight the power!" but... on a day to day, interpersonal level, the hispanics i come across are egregious racists i've ever seen. i know not all of them are, but i'm just sayin'. idk why ppl always throw out the fact that someone is hispanic in cases like these, like it makes a dang difference.

off topic: last semester, i had a group project. one of the dudes in the group was dominican, and he told us a story about how when he was in DR once, he told the boarder patrol guy to beat a haitian w/ a rubber hose... idk WHAT made him think we'd be okay w/ hearing that. he tried to play it off and say he felt bad after, but we had a permanent side eye for him ever since
Originally Posted by Keenylicious
As a Dominican myself, I can tell you a lot of Dominicans are racist as sh*t. It's crazy really. A lot of Latino's are racist. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.

It's sad that the Florida police value zimmerman more than trayvon. Trayvon is the victim here, yet, they are trying to paint this murderous fool as a good/harmless guy. Clearly, he isn't harmless if he shot and killed a young kid for absolutely no reason (other than being a racist a$$hole).
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I'm not American but I would like to know why there are Black Republicans. Alice Walker mentioned it before but it boggles my mind when these people are straight up racist. I'm not even touching healthcare and the contraceptive debate but I want to know how you can support a party with dominantly racist views.
Originally Posted by soleilmoncur
Well, racists are not exclusively Republican. But I see your concern.

I think you should look on YouTube. I was watching a lot of videos about Black Republicans the other day actually. They give a lot of insight.
Originally Posted by CocoT
For me.. it depends on the Black Republican specifically. I can respect Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell.

But this goat mouf bastid right here...
Why Was Trayvon Martin Killed? - YouTube

reminds me too damn much of this:
The Best Uncle Ruckus Moment - YouTube

And I can't stand these turn coat black Republicans worth a damn: Larry Elder, Armstrong Williams, and Michael Steele..effin traitors. They sicken me.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
i don't think the frst guy said anything that bad. i mean, it looked like he was going the victim blaming route for a second, but he def seemed to be on trayvon's side.

and i agree w/ him about rev al & jesse. all they ever do is turn situations like this into a joke. and it annoys me b/c you wont hear boo from them until the story already has national coverage, then they wanna come all tardy to the party and jump up in the camera hooting and hollering. then somehow, they get the credit for "exposing" the racism. they do it every. single. time.

i've read about stories involving blatant racism and discrimination, where the family tried to contact al & jesse themselves, and didn't get a fart in their direction b/c it wasn't in the national news. there's a black autisic boy serving 5 years in prison right now that couldve used al & jesse's theatrics.

Well, racists are not exclusively Republican. But I see your concern.

I think you should look on YouTube. I was watching a lot of videos about Black Republicans the other day actually. They give a lot of insight.
Originally Posted by CocoT
For me.. it depends on the Black Republican specifically. I can respect Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell.

But this goat mouf bastid right here...
Why Was Trayvon Martin Killed? - YouTube

reminds me too damn much of this:
The Best Uncle Ruckus Moment - YouTube

And I can't stand these turn coat black Republicans worth a damn: Larry Elder, Armstrong Williams, and Michael Steele..effin traitors. They sicken me.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Ok, I'm really tired right about now so I may be delusional. But does the sign behind him say "Mr Obama: Show us your birth certificate, please"?
Originally Posted by CocoT
okay... that's a mess. didn't see that the first time lol.

It's very relevant IMO. A lot of people in this country (USA) do not think "white person" when they hear the term "Hispanic". If they can say he's "Hispanic" (think Rosie Perez, Zoe Saldana, George Lopez..folks that are Hispanic but don't look "white").. it can take the "sting" out of it some.. they can easily say it's not really a "hate crime" per se since they are both minorities.

It will be down played. That seems rather nuts because clearly being a minority doesn't mean this didn't have anything to do with racism or prejudice but this is OFTEN the hand that certain (not all) white folks play in these situations and I hate to say this but minorities often just accept it. It's being stated all over ..how this guy is Hispanic and not white so there is no real hate crime involved.

Furthermore, his father (Robert Zimmerman) knew what was up from the get go..this is why he was QUICK to point out that his son is "Hispanic and grew up in a MULTICULTURAL home". If his being whatever he is wasn't any issue..there would have been no need to break their (the police and his dad) necks to make it seem like it wasn't any racial issue going on at all.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, racist, or prejudice but these white folks aren't about to pull the wool over my eyes on this one..sorry Charlie.

Just like this bull:
‚€˜Don‚€™t Re-Nig,‚€™ the racist anti-Obama bumper sticker, appears real | The Sideshow - Yahoo! News

I hear white folks claiming it's not what black people think it is.. it just means not to re-nig on the idea of taking the country back during the 2012 election is all..that it is not calling Obama the "n-word"...um yeah okay. Certain folks wanna believe that go head on..but I know better. And I can give TONS of examples just like that where certain white folks use trickery and word-play to fool folks..and plenty of folks just accept it.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
And see I don't think it is because even white folks can see through this tomfoolery, or am I being naive. Maybe I need to watch FoxNews instead of MSNBC all the time. And if he is Hispanic, the dumbass, FoxNews types will be the first to disown his ass--and try to send him back. To where I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo
I will say you are probably being too optimistic. I see a lot of people of color with your way of looking at it.. I used to be one of those people. Always trying to see .."another way" to it with these heathens. And as I've aged and really opened my eyes to these damn heathen ways.. I know the real deal. And for me.. they aren't slick. Not falling for the okie doke.

And I watch Fox News, I listen to Rush and Sean Hannity. And I read up on what the hell Ann Coulter's (something I can't say here) azz is up to..I pay attention to them and what they say very closely. MSNBC .. I watch it but when I want the real nitty gritty of what these (something I can't say here) are up to.. in my opinion it's best to go to the damn source. Cause MSNBC does to much pu**yfooting around for me. I know this is horrible to say but I get sick and tired of these damn Conservatives getting away with this ish while Liberals talking all around an issue instead of calling these heathens exactly what the hell they are.. let me stop. Cause..just SMDH.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Lol @ heathens.

My husband watches FoxNews and listens to conservative talk radio for the same reasons as you. But I just can't...stomach it. I'd rather die a slow, torturous death...

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I will say you are probably being too optimistic. I see a lot of people of color with your way of looking at it.. I used to be one of those people. Always trying to see .."another way" to it with these heathens. And as I've aged and really opened my eyes to these damn heathen ways.. I know the real deal. And for me.. they aren't slick. Not falling for the okie doke.

And I watch Fox News, I listen to Rush and Sean Hannity. And I read up on what the hell Ann Coulter's (something I can't say here) azz is up to..I pay attention to them and what they say very closely. MSNBC .. I watch it but when I want the real nitty gritty of what these (something I can't say here) are up to.. in my opinion it's best to go to the damn source. Cause MSNBC does to much pu**yfooting around for me. I know this is horrible to say but I get sick and tired of these damn Conservatives getting away with this ish while Liberals talking all around an issue instead of calling these heathens exactly what the hell they are.. let me stop. Cause..just SMDH.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
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Originally Posted by CocoT
I'm not American but I would like to know why there are Black Republicans. Alice Walker mentioned it before but it boggles my mind when these people are straight up racist. I'm not even touching healthcare and the contraceptive debate but I want to know how you can support a party with dominantly racist views.
Originally Posted by soleilmoncur
I saw on my friend's facebook page an exchange between her and anothe black person. (She's very active in the repugnant party). Anyway she was talking about voting for Newt. The other person thought he'd school her on Newt's racist history. She very succinctly stated, "race is not my issue." So I just don't get it....

ETA But, back in the day Black ppl were Repubs bc they couldn't join the Dem party. It was the racist party. In fact many of my family members were Repubs. That all changed with the civil rights movement and the switch by many racist white southerners to the Repub party back then.

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Last edited by Kilajo; 03-20-2012 at 07:04 AM.
Lol right. I only watch fox news to get crunk. If you're about to fight someone, watch fox news. If you need to find the strength to curse
Someone out, watch fox news. It's a power source for when you need to get angry real fast. And it's ALWAYS on tv anywhere public down here. Once in a restaurant that was playing it, my dad asked the manager to "get this bull off the tv".
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I'm not American but I would like to know why there are Black Republicans. Alice Walker mentioned it before but it boggles my mind when these people are straight up racist. I'm not even touching healthcare and the contraceptive debate but I want to know how you can support a party with dominantly racist views.
Originally Posted by soleilmoncur
Well, racists are not exclusively Republican. But I see your concern.

I think you should look on YouTube. I was watching a lot of videos about Black Republicans the other day actually. They give a lot of insight.
Originally Posted by CocoT
For me.. it depends on the Black Republican specifically. I can respect Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell.

But this goat mouf bastid right here...
Why Was Trayvon Martin Killed? - YouTube

reminds me too damn much of this:
The Best Uncle Ruckus Moment - YouTube

And I can't stand these turn coat black Republicans worth a damn: Larry Elder, Armstrong Williams, and Michael Steele..effin traitors. They sicken me.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I respect Colin Powell as well. Condy, only for her education. But her history during the bush years sickens me.

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I wonder what Zimmerman identifies hisself as. That will trump all speculation.

And irregardless of what he identifies as, it wouldn't pacify the FACT that he's a slimy racist douche.


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Originally Posted by CocoT
but we acknowledge the fact that hispanics (white, black, and mulatto alike) can be some racist ass mofos?! i know we're supposed to be all "la di da, black and brown, we're in this together! fight the power!" but... on a day to day, interpersonal level, the hispanics i come across are egregious racists i've ever seen. i know not all of them are, but i'm just sayin'. idk why ppl always throw out the fact that someone is hispanic in cases like these, like it makes a dang difference.

off topic: last semester, i had a group project. one of the dudes in the group was dominican, and he told us a story about how when he was in DR once, he told the boarder patrol guy to beat a haitian w/ a rubber hose... idk WHAT made him think we'd be okay w/ hearing that. he tried to play it off and say he felt bad after, but we had a permanent side eye for him ever since
Originally Posted by Keenylicious
As a Dominican myself, I can tell you a lot of Dominicans are racist as sh*t. It's crazy really. A lot of Latino's are racist. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.

It's sad that the Florida police value zimmerman more than trayvon. Trayvon is the victim here, yet, they are trying to paint this murderous fool as a good/harmless guy. Clearly, he isn't harmless if he shot and killed a young kid for absolutely no reason (other than being a racist a$$hole).
Originally Posted by SarcasmIsBeauty
Keeny, yes, it's something I've posted quite a bit about and SIB and legends both know exactly what I'm talking about with Dominicans. There is a lot of infuriating racism among Hispanics and the worst part is calling it out gets the usual responses of "what's the big deal" and "I think we're all equal, blah, blah, blah" all while thinking it's perfectly okay to call people monkeys, use blackface (oh, Mexican television), praise super-white skin, and a whole host of other egregious ********. And that's without even talking about the countries like Argentina that have a large white population, many of whom look down on the rest of us brownies from other Latin American countries.
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Well, racists are not exclusively Republican. But I see your concern.

I think you should look on YouTube. I was watching a lot of videos about Black Republicans the other day actually. They give a lot of insight.
Originally Posted by CocoT
For me.. it depends on the Black Republican specifically. I can respect Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell.

But this goat mouf bastid right here...
Why Was Trayvon Martin Killed? - YouTube

reminds me too damn much of this:
The Best Uncle Ruckus Moment - YouTube

And I can't stand these turn coat black Republicans worth a damn: Larry Elder, Armstrong Williams, and Michael Steele..effin traitors. They sicken me.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I respect Colin Powell as well. Condy, only for her education. But her history during the bush years sickens me.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo
I'll be contrary here. I can see the respect for Condi but I lost whatever respect I had for Powell during the UN hearings leading up to the invasion of Iraq. He knew damn well that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no weapons of mass destruction, yet he straight up lied to the UN on Bush's (or someone else's) orders because they were gunning for that oil and the resulting profits that would eventually line Cheney's and his cronies pockets. If Powell had any integrity, he'd have acted on his convictions and quit right then and there, but he didn't. He was more interested in kissing up to his masters and saving his own behind than in doing the right thing.

As far as neo-conservative losers like Armstead Edwards and Michael Steele are concerned, you'll get no argument from me.
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For me.. it depends on the Black Republican specifically. I can respect Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell.

But this goat mouf bastid right here...
Why Was Trayvon Martin Killed? - YouTube

reminds me too damn much of this:
The Best Uncle Ruckus Moment - YouTube

And I can't stand these turn coat black Republicans worth a damn: Larry Elder, Armstrong Williams, and Michael Steele..effin traitors. They sicken me.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I respect Colin Powell as well. Condy, only for her education. But her history during the bush years sickens me.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo
I'll be contrary here. I can see the respect for Condi but I lost whatever respect I had for Powell during the UN hearings leading up to the invasion of Iraq. He knew damn well that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no weapons of mass destruction, yet he straight up lied to the UN on Bush's (or someone else's) orders because they were gunning for that oil and the resulting profits that would eventually line Cheney's and his cronies pockets. If Powell had any integrity, he'd have acted on his convictions and quit right then and there, but he didn't. He was more interested in kissing up to his masters and saving his own behind than in doing the right thing.

As far as neo-conservative losers like Armstead Edwards and Michael Steele are concerned, you'll get no argument from me.
Originally Posted by LadyV69
They all did their share of lying, including and especially condy. There's quite a bit about her I don't respect.

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I respect Colin Powell as well. Condy, only for her education. But her history during the bush years sickens me.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo
I'll be contrary here. I can see the respect for Condi but I lost whatever respect I had for Powell during the UN hearings leading up to the invasion of Iraq. He knew damn well that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no weapons of mass destruction, yet he straight up lied to the UN on Bush's (or someone else's) orders because they were gunning for that oil and the resulting profits that would eventually line Cheney's and his cronies pockets. If Powell had any integrity, he'd have acted on his convictions and quit right then and there, but he didn't. He was more interested in kissing up to his masters and saving his own behind than in doing the right thing.

As far as neo-conservative losers like Armstead Edwards and Michael Steele are concerned, you'll get no argument from me.
Originally Posted by LadyV69
They all did their share of lying, including and especially condy. There's quite a bit about her I don't respect.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo
Oh, I'm no fan of Condi's either. However, her malfeascence wasn't as public as Powell's, which may explain why some people may be willing to give her more of a pass.
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so my roommate is talking to me again. I tried to be nice, and think maybe I can be her friend without getting sucked into her bossy ways of everything being about her and what she wants to do and her neediness for people, but I can already feel the annoying pain in my stomach from how annoyed I get with myself having to hang out with her. I can say no. No matter how many times she will try and convince me to do what she says I will say no. No. NO. No. Why is it so hard to say no. I don't get mad when people say no to me, so why should anyone get mad at me? No one is mad I'm sure, but I cannot get rid of the urge to please. I must focus on myself and do what I want. I'll be like yes man, but opposite.
On the black republican discussion, I'll add that I find it baffling how many Hispanics are republican as well. It drives me nuts listening to relatives support all these fools going on about keeping the border safe. "Well, they're illegal, after all." Yeah, because that's really all it's about and not that they want to keep the brown people out. And of course, they're totally okay with you and your existence, because you're legal!
Just like part of white people supporting republicans is about the idea that you're poor now, but potentially, if you work hard enough, you can be rich, and so, you're better, you're not one of them — of those people who basically deserve to be at the bottom— so it goes for Hispanics, who quite simply see themselves as being above black Americans. We may have a lot of the same issues plaguing our communities, and share similar conservative values, but oh no, black people are always getting in trouble, being criminals, acting like animals, so we're better. It's just this twisted social hierarchy that they buy into not realizing that once you vote for those asshats, they're going to **** you over because you're just a lesser being to them.

I'd like to think at least a tiny part of me has rubbed off on my parents since even my mother goes on about the ridiculous relatives that blame Obama for EVERYTHING and how she thinks they're fools for being republican. She doesn't like Obama much, but at least she's able to be objective about how he's not the worst president ever, as so many people actually try to tell you.
Back when I used to participate in open race debates and discussions.. many Dominican people conveyed that they aren't racist but they do not want to be associated with being "black" because of the shameful history of slavery not to mention the degeneracy of blacks that come from slavery. They often site: Hatians and African Americans. Plus they (many Dominicans) say they are actually "mixed" and not black so therefore..they aren't the same as blacks that solely come from slavery. Those are ideas THEY conveyed..not me. This is pretty much the same rhetoric that I heard from various Africans as well. Basically the idea that African Americans still have a slave mentality, they are a bunch of degenerates for the most part, with no real sense of moral value and they do not want to be associated with it at all. So they are quick to point out that there is a big difference between them and certain blacks. I heard that and more COUNTLESS times in a bevy of ways from Latinos, Africans, Asians, and many white Jews during these open discussions. They gave all sorts of negative examples about how black men and black women act..not to mention how stupid they think AA youth is these days. It was also pointed out several times that they notice that a lot of the blacks that do act more civilized from America are usually "mixed" or "biracial". Yes..I know the whole "everyone is mixed thoughts.." but they are talking about American POC that are either biracial or have a few non-black grandparents. Further back then that..doesn't even count..your blood is to negrofied. Again..this is what they conveyed.

Interestingly, a lot of foreign whites seem to sort of share the sentiment. Given, their justification as a pitiful attempt to I guess seem sympathetic: they basically conveyed that.. "well they can't help it" because of the heritage (meaning black Americans came from uncivilized tribes in West Africa) while other blacks such as Ethiopians, Eritreas, etc were always much more civilized and advanced. And mixed blacks aren't as degenerate..well because they are mixed..of course. The idea is that black Americans really can't help but be a bunch of degenerates..it's in their nature. On the other hand..the non-American people of color (which would include Dominicans) were basically like.. "yeah they can help it..they are just lazy and just like living in squalor and we don't want to be associated with them because we are different".

I think this same sentiment is one of the reasons why some black Americans are always quick to point out they have some non-black ancestry. They think if they distance themselves from being "black" in some way it gives them more value and they will be looked at more favorably. It's a head game they play with themselves..because other groups are just looking at them like.. "um..you're just black"...meaning "your little bit of non-black ancestry doesn't afford you any privledge..you aren't white..okay!" But some folks are too naive and dying so bad to be "in" they don't see it. The only way a black person is getting away with that is if they can pass..as something else and they keep their mouth shut about their black heritage.
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