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Basically she was blaming black people for racism against black people. Oh, okay.

A couple of minutes before she told me that she was Hebrew, not black, because black is a color, not a people. I responded, "Well, I'm black."
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Basically she was blaming black people for racism against black people. Oh, okay.

A couple of minutes before she told me that she was Hebrew, not black, because black is a color, not a people. I responded, "Well, I'm black."
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra
LOL. I always get a chuckle out of "one person revolutions". I had a boss like that, she always trying to get some sort of one person movement going. I would be like you do know you are like the only person who thinks like that right? Ain't nobody going to boycott the word KID because it refers to baby goats!
Back when I used to participate in open race debates and discussions.. many Dominican people conveyed that they aren't racist but they do not want to be associated with being "black" because of the shameful history of slavery not to mention the degeneracy of blacks that come from slavery. They often site: Hatians and African Americans. Plus they (many Dominicans) say they are actually "mixed" and not black so therefore..they aren't the same as blacks that solely come from slavery. Those are ideas THEY conveyed..not me. This is pretty much the same rhetoric that I heard from various Africans as well. Basically the idea that African Americans still have a slave mentality, they are a bunch of degenerates for the most part, with no real sense of moral value and they do not want to be associated with it at all. So they are quick to point out that there is a big difference between them and certain blacks. I heard that and more COUNTLESS times in a bevy of ways from Latinos, Africans, Asians, and many white Jews during these open discussions. They gave all sorts of negative examples about how black men and black women act..not to mention how stupid they think AA youth is these days. It was also pointed out several times that they notice that a lot of the blacks that do act more civilized from America are usually "mixed" or "biracial". Yes..I know the whole "everyone is mixed thoughts.." but they are talking about American POC that are either biracial or have a few non-black grandparents. Further back then that..doesn't even count..your blood is to negrofied. Again..this is what they conveyed.

Interestingly, a lot of foreign whites seem to sort of share the sentiment. Given, their justification as a pitiful attempt to I guess seem sympathetic: they basically conveyed that.. "well they can't help it" because of the heritage (meaning black Americans came from uncivilized tribes in West Africa) while other blacks such as Ethiopians, Eritreas, etc were always much more civilized and advanced. And mixed blacks aren't as degenerate..well because they are mixed..of course. The idea is that black Americans really can't help but be a bunch of degenerates..it's in their nature. On the other hand..the non-American people of color (which would include Dominicans) were basically like.. "yeah they can help it..they are just lazy and just like living in squalor and we don't want to be associated with them because we are different".

I think this same sentiment is one of the reasons why some black Americans are always quick to point out they have some non-black ancestry. They think if they distance themselves from being "black" in some way it gives them more value and they will be looked at more favorably. It's a head game they play with themselves..because other groups are just looking at them like.. "um..you're just black"...meaning "your little bit of non-black ancestry doesn't afford you any privledge..you aren't white..okay!" But some folks are too naive and dying so bad to be "in" they don't see it. The only way a black person is getting away with that is if they can pass..as something else and they keep their mouth shut about their black heritage.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I think the eugenics movement helped solidify a great deal of biases that under pin many racist/sexist/etc. views today. I see the root of the problem as who we allow to direct the creation and evaluation of what is knowledge, common wisdom, or socially acceptable. The shift from utilizing religion to justify certain aspects of society to the dependency on "science" based theories really changed the way societies develop and perpetuate norms. This shift is beneficial as well as problematic - religion has fewer barriers in terms of accessing and utilizing or manipulating the content for specific agendas. However, to do "science" or any work that is acceptable to academia as well as society, you must be lettered, MA, PhD, etc., or you must be recognized by a club to truly claim your work is analytic and therefore free from bias...

I know it is old and cliche, but knowledge and the creation of knowledge is power...
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Basically she was blaming black people for racism against black people. Oh, okay.

A couple of minutes before she told me that she was Hebrew, not black, because black is a color, not a people. I responded, "Well, I'm black."
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra
*Sigh* So you were discussing this with a so called "Hebrew Israelite" ? Dear goodness.. they can't even seem to decide what the hell they are... for pete's sake. Some of them surely crack me up how they have created this fictious ancestry in order not to be "black" while Jews are looking at them like.. "get an effin life..you aren't "Hebrew". I really have to die when they say the are actually Asian instead of African.
Basically she was blaming black people for racism against black people. Oh, okay.

A couple of minutes before she told me that she was Hebrew, not black, because black is a color, not a people. I responded, "Well, I'm black."
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra
*Sigh* So you were discussing this with a so called "Hebrew Israelite" ? Dear goodness.. they can't even seem to decide what the hell they are... for pete's sake. Some of them surely crack me up how they have created this fictious ancestry in order not to be "black" while Jews are looking at them like.. "get an effin life..you aren't "Hebrew". I really have to die when they say the are actually Asian instead of African.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Yes, she was referring to the Hebrews taken on slave ships... -_-

I swear, some people would cut off their damn foot if it only meant they weren't black anymore. Leave me out of it, I love being black.
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Back when I used to participate in open race debates and discussions.. many Dominican people conveyed that they aren't racist but they do not want to be associated with being "black" because of the shameful history of slavery not to mention the degeneracy of blacks that come from slavery. They often site: Hatians and African Americans. Plus they (many Dominicans) say they are actually "mixed" and not black so therefore..they aren't the same as blacks that solely come from slavery. Those are ideas THEY conveyed..not me. This is pretty much the same rhetoric that I heard from various Africans as well. Basically the idea that African Americans still have a slave mentality, they are a bunch of degenerates for the most part, with no real sense of moral value and they do not want to be associated with it at all. So they are quick to point out that there is a big difference between them and certain blacks. I heard that and more COUNTLESS times in a bevy of ways from Latinos, Africans, Asians, and many white Jews during these open discussions. They gave all sorts of negative examples about how black men and black women act..not to mention how stupid they think AA youth is these days. It was also pointed out several times that they notice that a lot of the blacks that do act more civilized from America are usually "mixed" or "biracial". Yes..I know the whole "everyone is mixed thoughts.." but they are talking about American POC that are either biracial or have a few non-black grandparents. Further back then that..doesn't even count..your blood is to negrofied. Again..this is what they conveyed.

Interestingly, a lot of foreign whites seem to sort of share the sentiment. Given, their justification as a pitiful attempt to I guess seem sympathetic: they basically conveyed that.. "well they can't help it" because of the heritage (meaning black Americans came from uncivilized tribes in West Africa) while other blacks such as Ethiopians, Eritreas, etc were always much more civilized and advanced. And mixed blacks aren't as degenerate..well because they are mixed..of course. The idea is that black Americans really can't help but be a bunch of degenerates..it's in their nature. On the other hand..the non-American people of color (which would include Dominicans) were basically like.. "yeah they can help it..they are just lazy and just like living in squalor and we don't want to be associated with them because we are different".

I think this same sentiment is one of the reasons why some black Americans are always quick to point out they have some non-black ancestry. They think if they distance themselves from being "black" in some way it gives them more value and they will be looked at more favorably. It's a head game they play with themselves..because other groups are just looking at them like.. "um..you're just black"...meaning "your little bit of non-black ancestry doesn't afford you any privledge..you aren't white..okay!" But some folks are too naive and dying so bad to be "in" they don't see it. The only way a black person is getting away with that is if they can pass..as something else and they keep their mouth shut about their black heritage.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I think the eugenics movement helped solidify a great deal of biases that under pin many racist/sexist/etc. views today. I see the root of the problem as who we allow to direct the creation and evaluation of what is knowledge, common wisdom, or socially acceptable. The shift from utilizing religion to justify certain aspects of society to the dependency on "science" based theories really changed the why societies develop and perpetuate norms. This shift is beneficial as well as problematic - religion has fewer barriers in terms of accessing and utilizing or manipulating the content for specific agendas. However, to do "science" or any work that is acceptable to academia as well as society, you must be lettered, MA, PhD, etc., or you must be recognized by a club to truly claim your work is analytic and therefore free from bias...

I know it is old and cliche, but knowledge and the creation of knowledge is power...
Originally Posted by cocodej
To the bold.. not to mention the complacency that is just rampant these days regarding it..and especially among people of color.

Keeny, yes, it's something I've posted quite a bit about and SIB and legends both know exactly what I'm talking about with Dominicans. There is a lot of infuriating racism among Hispanics and the worst part is calling it out gets the usual responses of "what's the big deal" and "I think we're all equal, blah, blah, blah" all while thinking it's perfectly okay to call people monkeys, use blackface (oh, Mexican television), praise super-white skin, and a whole host of other egregious ********. And that's without even talking about the countries like Argentina that have a large white population, many of whom look down on the rest of us brownies from other Latin American countries.
Originally Posted by Saria
Just speaking for myself, while I've heard racial crap from various Hispanics, I've found Dominicans to be the most color struck and racist out of any of them. And them getting defensive about getting called out on it speaks volumes. Don't claim that we're equal when it's obvious that they think they're more equal than me.
Originally Posted by LadyV69
I couldn't pick. Sometimes I'd feel like agreeing with you, but then I hear Mexicans talk about black people like they're a big joke and it's just a given that they're less.
I think with Dominicans it's different because we're basically a mix of white European and African slaves, so in that sense you're right that we're more color struck, whereas people like Mexicans have more of a white and Indian (ie, Native American) mix, though of course, they have African ancestry as well. But I hear tons of stupid, racist nonsense from them, too. And then there's people from Argentina, Uruguay, and others that feel they're the top rung of Latin America with Colombia, Venezuela, and a few others in the middle, and us Dominicans, Cubans, Mexicans, at the very bottom. What's funny is Brazil gets listed in the top rung. Umm, you do know you're mostly made up of white European and African slave mix like us lowly Caribbean Hispanics, right?
Originally Posted by Saria
I was speaking in a broad sense. I know that not all Dominicans are like that. Although I've heard racial crap from Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, etc, for some reason, I've heard it from Dominicans the most. And I'm aware that a lot of it can be traced back to Trujillo.

It's beyond sad the extent to which different ethnic and racial groups denigrate each other. Hispanics denigrating blacks, Africans denigrating West Indians and African Americans and so on. Because many of the people doing it are unaware that it's part of the majority (read:white power structure) plan to divide and conquer that's been going on for centuries. As long as we fight among ourselves, they figure we'll be too distracted to focus on who's really behind our oppression and we won't have the energy to fight our real enemy.
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but we acknowledge the fact that hispanics (white, black, and mulatto alike) can be some racist ass mofos?! i know we're supposed to be all "la di da, black and brown, we're in this together! fight the power!" but... on a day to day, interpersonal level, the hispanics i come across are egregious racists i've ever seen. i know not all of them are, but i'm just sayin'. idk why ppl always throw out the fact that someone is hispanic in cases like these, like it makes a dang difference.

off topic: last semester, i had a group project. one of the dudes in the group was dominican, and he told us a story about how when he was in DR once, he told the boarder patrol guy to beat a haitian w/ a rubber hose... idk WHAT made him think we'd be okay w/ hearing that. he tried to play it off and say he felt bad after, but we had a permanent side eye for him ever since
Originally Posted by Keenylicious


As a Dominican myself, I can tell you a lot of Dominicans are racist as sh*t. It's crazy really. A lot of Latino's are racist. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.

It's sad that the Florida police value zimmerman more than trayvon. Trayvon is the victim here, yet, they are trying to paint this murderous fool as a good/harmless guy. Clearly, he isn't harmless if he shot and killed a young kid for absolutely no reason (other than being a racist a$$hole).
Originally Posted by SarcasmIsBeauty
Yep, and considering that DR and Haiti share the island of Hispaniola and DR acts like they are so above Haitians is even crazier. You would think they would unite, because to be honest, lots of West Indians see Haitians as the bottom of the totem pole, and many Hispanics see Dominicans as the same.
Originally Posted by cheveuxbouclés
i always wondered why west indians had such a bug up their but about haitians. now that i think about it, i think i know why... i just need to look up a few statistics first.

It's beyond sad the extent to which different ethnic and racial groups denigrate each other. Hispanics denigrating blacks, Africans denigrating West Indians and African Americans and so on. Because many of the people doing it are unaware that it's part of the majority (read:white power structure) plan to divide and conquer that's been going on for centuries. As long as we fight among ourselves, they figure we'll be too distracted to focus on who's really behind our oppression and we won't have the energy to fight our real enemy.
Originally Posted by LadyV69
This!!!
Turtles: omg please don't put that in your moo moo

Nej: too late... moo moo has been infiltrated.
All of this makes me glad I took the time to take race, religion, & history courses in college. Because so so many people know their side of history but few take the time to learn other sides. I think POC can be so crab like and get wrapped up in color & ethnic stigmas.
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Um, these are the lower prices?
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More overpriced grease? I'll pass.
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Lmao. I heard they opened a new Curlbar with lower pricing and a focus on natural methods. I haven't tried anything by them yet & I doubt I ever will.
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Um, these are the lower prices?
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Lmao. I heard they opened a new Curlbar with lower pricing and a focus on natural methods. I haven't tried anything by them yet & I doubt I ever will.
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Um, these are the lower prices?
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Can someone justify a $50 wash n go?



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