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Old 03-28-2012, 07:18 PM   #8881
 
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I actually thought they were throwing out the "stand your ground" law and now claiming it's self defense?
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I actually thought they were throwing out the "stand your ground" law and now claiming it's self defense?
That was the way I understood it as well.

Can someone clarify the difference between self defense and the stand your ground law?
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I actually thought they were throwing out the "stand your ground" law and now claiming it's self defense?
That was the way I understood it as well.

Can someone clarify the difference between self defense and the stand your ground law?
I think that they were saying that b/c Zimmerman followed Martin, then SYG wouldn't apply, but if they got in a fight as a result of Zimmerman confronting him, and then Zimmerman feared for his life, he could still shoot Martin in self defense.

If anyone has additional details or ideas, please share.
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I hope some of you ladies were able to catch Anderson Cooper 360. Someone (not sure who) was able to get video footage in the police station when George Zimmerman was taken in. I have no CLUE where that doggone picture of Zimmerman came from that was circulating around.. but in the video footage from that night.. Zimmerman does not look overweight, he has a shaved head, and is wearing a light weight red and black jacket (with no hood), jeans, and a gray, off white, or very light blue t-shirt.

The guy that was able to get the footage says he also talked to the girlfriend that was on the phone with Trayvon and he told her, "Some white dude is following me..."

Jose Baez, a lawyer on the show said he just doesn't see down the line how George Zimmerman will be convicted because under the stand your ground law it doesn't have to come down how badly you are beaten (The man that got the footage was saying how we could see Zimmerman did have a small welt of some sort on the back of his head..but clearly he was well enough to go to the station after the EMTs released him)..you just have to believe your life is in danger.

Dang...what do yall think ?

ETA: I honestly don't think George Zimmerman will be convicted either. But I'd love to hear any other views on how he could be convicted in this case.. cause I don't see it. But I guess he better move or something because someone might try to harm him and his family if he's not convicted. I'd be so afraid if I was in his position.
I think Zimmerman is gon go to jail.

ETA: Wait a damn minute! Jose Baez was Casey Anthony's lawyer wasn't he?

Jose Baez sure was Anthony's lawyer.. and you see she got off.

Why do you think Zimmerman is going to jail.. ? On what grounds that put him in direct violation of the "stand your ground law" in Florida ?
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I just walked Sophie and Noni and Cheyenne tagged along. Of course being the bad dog owner I am the small ones were not leashed. But still....
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Lawd.. I don't know yall. With all these videos, news reports, people speaking for other folks, people lying.. I don' t know what's going to happen with this Zimmerman case. I just have a hard time believing his butt is going to prison for murder..because it seems to often that certain black people get killed off the damn set and the perps just get off. And black folks standing around like.. WTF ..and just have to suck it up.
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Lawd.. I don't know yall. With all these videos, news reports, people speaking for other folks, people lying.. I don' t know what's going to happen with this Zimmerman case. I just have a hard time believing his butt is going to prison for murder..because it seems to often that certain black people get killed off the damn set and the perps just get off. And black folks standing around like.. WTF ..and just have to suck it up.
I just need him to go to jail for sumthin 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, negligent homicide, reckless endangerment, manslaughter just something


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Lawd.. I don't know yall. With all these videos, news reports, people speaking for other folks, people lying.. I don' t know what's going to happen with this Zimmerman case. I just have a hard time believing his butt is going to prison for murder..because it seems to often that certain black people get killed off the damn set and the perps just get off. And black folks standing around like.. WTF ..and just have to suck it up.
I don't believe he is going to jail for murder, he is probably going to take a plea for involuntary manslaughter but murder highly doubtful. Zimmerman is dead wrong, he killed that boy but the police's handling is even worse....they didn't bother to investigate beyond Zimmerman's words. They ran a b/g check on a dead Martin but not on a living Zimmerman. That is key along with the delivery of the news of their son's death was callus and cold. It is very bad for the police department but I believe Zimmerman will be arrested and a deal will be made. Unfortunately, it can't be proven that Martin's death was racially motivated, but a civil suit againt the police department can and probably will take place.

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Lawd.. I don't know yall. With all these videos, news reports, people speaking for other folks, people lying.. I don' t know what's going to happen with this Zimmerman case. I just have a hard time believing his butt is going to prison for murder..because it seems to often that certain black people get killed off the damn set and the perps just get off. And black folks standing around like.. WTF ..and just have to suck it up.
I havent really commented on this but in the back of my head ive been thinking this exact thing. Every time I think of that child I start to cry and have to mentally shake myself to not start to sobbing because I might not be able to stop. Im fearful for my child every time he walks out the door, I get paranoid if he doesnt call me when he leaves tutoring , if my mom is a few minutes late, just nuts.
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You guys!!!!! I had my baby he is 10 weeks premature but he is in good shape. He is growing fine but because his placenta was separating causing some issues, they said it would be healthier for him to be living outside than inside. He is soooo small but sooo beautiful.

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Lawd.. I don't know yall. With all these videos, news reports, people speaking for other folks, people lying.. I don' t know what's going to happen with this Zimmerman case. I just have a hard time believing his butt is going to prison for murder..because it seems to often that certain black people get killed off the damn set and the perps just get off. And black folks standing around like.. WTF ..and just have to suck it up.
I havent really commented on this but in the back of my head ive been thinking this exact thing. Every time I think of that child I start to cry and have to mentally shake myself to not start to sobbing because I might not be able to stop. Im fearful for my child every time he walks out the door, I get paranoid if he doesnt call me when he leaves tutoring , if my mom is a few minutes late, just nuts.
I feel this same way. I had a looonnnnng talk with my 14 yr old nephew and my daughter.
I admit, I'm very overprotective, I have been since day one. My children (my nephew is like my son) don't walk, they don't take public transportation and this situation right here is why. I would love for them to be independent but the thought of something like this happening to one of mine, I just can not imagine.

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I actually thought they were throwing out the "stand your ground" law and now claiming it's self defense?
That was the way I understood it as well.

Can someone clarify the difference between self defense and the stand your ground law?
I think that they were saying that b/c Zimmerman followed Martin, then SYG wouldn't apply, but if they got in a fight as a result of Zimmerman confronting him, and then Zimmerman feared for his life, he could still shoot Martin in self defense.

If anyone has additional details or ideas, please share.
BUT HE STARTED IT!!! seriously?

trayvon wasn't defending himself from a stalker?
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No.you.did.not. ROFLMAO! I needed this chuckle after all this bs going on with this Trayvon Martin case.. lawd.
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people wanna argue about anything...Ill fart in your mouth, so stfu.
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That was the way I understood it as well.

Can someone clarify the difference between self defense and the stand your ground law?
I think that they were saying that b/c Zimmerman followed Martin, then SYG wouldn't apply, but if they got in a fight as a result of Zimmerman confronting him, and then Zimmerman feared for his life, he could still shoot Martin in self defense.

If anyone has additional details or ideas, please share.
BUT HE STARTED IT!!! seriously?

trayvon wasn't defending himself from a stalker?
That's what it sounded like to me they have been saying as well.. exactly what Curly Electra said.. SMDH.

And it seems so confusing because one minute Zimmerman started it (the physical fight)..now Trayvon is the one that leaped first. I mean I don't even know..I just wish to GOODNESS that Zimmerman stayed his over zealous behind in the car. Just breaking his NECK to try and corner Martin.

And everytime I look at some rally.. I don't hardly see nuthing but black folks.. where all these outraged white folks..since it's "America" that's outraged. SMDH.
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Ok, he's on the phone with me right now. He has some points on the "are hispanics white or black" thing too but I'll come back to that.

Haitians basically are disliked by the other Caribs because their "culture" is not like any of the others. They pride themselves as being the only group to have directly liberated themselves from white colonists and they have this brash bravado to go with that. That bravado turns everyone else off. He also said that they still have strong French and East African culture and views that seem to undermine the cultural vibe of everyone else. So they are looked at basically like black sheep, so to speak. That's probably why no one will say it out loud. Haitians tend to do enough talking as it is (again this is from him, not me lol).
That's strange... Considering Jamaicans are known for being ridiculously arrogant.

My bff once told me should stop associating w/ ppl from the "lesser islands" I was like chile, bye.

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I think that the point that he was trying to make is that Haitians seem to march to their own drum compared to some of the other Carib islands. Their culture and traditions seem to often times be either in direct contradiction or opposition to the cultures and traditions of everyone else in the region. This level of "standing out" is what fuels their bravado that I mentioned earlier. Not saying that they actually are "louder" or "more arrogant" than the others, but they feel more justified in being that way because of their history and economic struggles (and that turns ppl off).

It's all very interesting to me because I am not from this region at all lol.
idk...i get what your friend is trying to say... but i think he's full of sh*t lol. this just doesn't sound right to me...

like, if i didn't like someone b/c i thought they were arrogant, i wouldn't act as those they were the dirtiest piece of trash on the planet. thinking that a person is arrogant (imo) would imply that there is SOMETHING commendable about them, so i don't see why i would treat them like gutter trash. doesn't make sense.
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true story.

Lots of times when people see injustice, that doesn't directly affect (effect? no...affect right? Idgaf anyway I can't even pronounce salmon) they turn a blind eye, I'm not trying to hate, but I'll use my life for example, your'e at a party, and someone makes a joke about mexicans jumping fences, who's going to speak up? The hispanic, the white person, or the black person? ME.. I speak up, I don't care if it's not an insult directly to me, it's not okay and you will get called out. Lots of times people, don't speak up. Like the first aid principle, no one wants to save a life, cause they don't want to get involved...okay let someone die, **** you and have a nice day...but you SHOLE is gonna be nosey on someone Facebook page about who they're pregnant by but you ain't gonna be nosey when there is a brawl going on where someone could get hurt?




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I actually thought they were throwing out the "stand your ground" law and now claiming it's self defense?
It is actually better for the family if he is claiming self-defense from a civil case standpoint. If he can still claim "stand your ground" the family cannot sue him in civil court.
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