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mary... ma'am... REALLY?!

i just... i can't.
Originally Posted by Keenylicious
I read that this wasn't a complete version. It's apparently missing a "dream sequence".

With that being said, I've marinated on this story for a couple days now, just so that I didn't make a rash judgement (the media tends to enable that to happen by the way stories are reported and such), and I've come to the conclusion that...I ain't mad. And I really don't see the big deal.lol

I understand why some people may not like it, but at the same time, I feel like a lot of it is just embarrassment. But why? So the stereotype is black people love chicken. Well...it's true, in large part. Why is it embarrassing to love chicken? Why is it even a stereotype? That's what I don't get. I watched a clip of Wendy Williams talking about it and she said three things she won't ever do on television or in front of white people is 1) eat chicken, 2) eat watermelon, or 3) drink kool-aid. And I've heard a lot of people say stuff like that and I'm just like WHY?! I'm not even gonna go in on the hypocrisy of Wendy Williams, but it's the same with a lot of people. What is it about this stereotype that pains people so, but they'll be the first ones to come at a fellow Black person for not having rhythm? Isn't Black people dancing well a stereotype? Being good at basketball? Need I go on

People say this commercial perpetuates stereotypes and sh*t. I happen to think the strong disinclination to align with cultural signifiers, stereotypes, cliche's or whatever else have you, is far more damaging. Why they really mad though? Is it because it's embarrassing? Is it because it's true? Is it because it's not true? What is it about the commercial, really? Maybe I don't understand the origins of the way the chicken, watermelon and kool-aid stereotypes came to be. I love chicken and watermelon. I've only had a couple slices of chicken since I've kind of changed my lifestyle and diet, but even if I was still eating chicken I would still feel the way I do now.
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Thanks for the clarification. But judge.. magistrate..whatever. Whatever he was or wasn't .. he damn sure isn't stupid enough not to retain a slick lawyer for his son. He knows enough to know that damn much..clearly.
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mary... ma'am... REALLY?!

i just... i can't.
Originally Posted by Keenylicious
I read that this wasn't a complete version. It's apparently missing a "dream sequence".

With that being said, I've marinated on this story for a couple days now, just so that I didn't make a rash judgement (the media tends to enable that to happen by the way stories are reported and such), and I've come to the conclusion that...I ain't mad. And I really don't see the big deal.lol

I understand why some people may not like it, but at the same time, I feel like a lot of it is just embarrassment. But why? So the stereotype is black people love chicken. Well...it's true, in large part. Why is it embarrassing to love chicken? Why is it even a stereotype? That's what I don't get. I watched a clip of Wendy Williams talking about it and she said three things she won't ever do on television or in front of white people is 1) eat chicken, 2) eat watermelon, or 3) drink kool-aid. And I've heard a lot of people say stuff like that and I'm just like WHY?! I'm not even gonna go in on the hypocrisy of Wendy Williams, but it's the same with a lot of people. What is it about this stereotype that pains people so, but they'll be the first ones to come at a fellow Black person for not having rhythm? Isn't Black people dancing well a stereotype? Being good at basketball? Need I go on

People say this commercial perpetuates stereotypes and sh*t. I happen to think the strong disinclination to align with cultural signifiers, stereotypes, cliche's or whatever else have you, is far more damaging. Why they really mad though? Is it because it's embarrassing? Is it because it's true? Is it because it's not true? What is it about the commercial, really? Maybe I don't understand the origins of the way the chicken, watermelon and kool-aid stereotypes came to be. I love chicken and watermelon. I've only had a couple slices of chicken since I've kind of changed my lifestyle and diet, but even if I was still eating chicken I would still feel the way I do now.
Originally Posted by CocoT
All good points you've made to me CocoT.

I really seriously do not see MJB singing in this commercial as all that darn deep. Burger King probably offered her a ton of money and thought it would be "cool" to have MJB sing for their commerical and bring them some attention. It was a good business move for both of them probably..very lucrative. And the advertising is working great..tons of people are discussing it. I bet some folks want to try that darn chicken wrap thing too now! And her singing hooks in a BK commercial isn't going to make droves of black folks stop going to BK so now what ?. All drama over nothing in my opinion.

I wonder would it have been an easier pill to swallow if she was simply talking in the commercial instead of singing. I wonder if people are also ticked with Jennifer Hudson for singing Weight Watchers jingles...I do find her singing in them quite annoying.

Frankly, I think sometimes certain people make this stuff about way more than it needs to be... I hardly see this as a racial issue. It's a chicken wrap for pete's sake.. I think more white folks probably eat "wraps" than black folks anyway. Now that's a stereotype! LOL!
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George Zimmerman lawyer: "Fairly simple but tragic case of self-defense" - Crimesider - CBS News

New Zimmerman lawyer Hal Uhrig told CBS News there's been too much emphasis on race in discussions surrounding the deadly Feb. 26 shooting in Sanford, Fla.

"This is not a guy who has a racial bone in his body," Uhrig said. "Take out issues of race, take out political preferences and so forth, just look at the law and what actually happened - this was a fairly simple but tragic case of self-defense."
Originally Posted by CocoT
Complete bull*****. If we are going to look at the "lawful" aspects, Killerman shouldn't have approached that young man. He blatantly disregarded police orders, and that resulted in a wrongful death. I wonder why he wasn't questioned about that? Trayvon was simply walking, not casing houses, or stealing cars. What motivated him to disregard the law?
Furthermore, the racial elements can't be removed because Killmerman profiled Trayvon...you know, something that is a form of racism? I find it contradicting that this lawyer is appealing for the public to "look beyond race" when his d@mn client failed to do just that.

I think I'm a misanthrope.
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Concerning the MBJ and Burger King thing, I see how some people can be annoyed because a black person did it. I guess they're wondering why blacks are always the go to people for certain products, and how they're portrayed (i.e. McDonald's commercials always have a hip hop beat when featuring black folks, or two guys play fighting over a chicken sandwich). I guess some blacks are annoyed and worried about how others will perceive it, and that is the bigger issue.

There are so many "special" classifications for blacks. Yet I don't think much thought should be given to those that buy into them. But it does get tiring.

"Angry black woman," hoodies make a hoodlum, watermelon, chicken, and waffles, oh my! Oh, I heard a special gem recently. Someone claims that black folks are too quick to fight, and this is why Trayvon is dead. After getting aggressively stalked and approached, he shouldn't have hit Killerman. (You know, because a guy that called blacks slurs on the police tape probably approached the teenager nicely...offering him cookies and punch...) I guess this is the brother of the "angry black woman" classification. On top of not being able to express anger, or eat chicken in peace, blacks shouldn't defend themselves so other people's delicate sensibilities are protected.
Did anyone here actually listen to the unedited 911 call from Zimmerman to the police ?
Did anyone here actually listen to the unedited 911 call from Zimmerman to the police ?
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I did.

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Last edited by CocoT; 04-05-2012 at 06:08 PM.
I listened as well. My whole "wish" from the beginning of this is that he be arrested and properly tried in a court of law. I could tell from the very beginning that the media was skewing the hell outta this story, and I don't believe everything that comes out in MSM. I STILL don't know where the hell you can shoot and kill someone and skeedaddle on home.
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Did anyone here actually listen to the unedited 911 call from Zimmerman to the police ?
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I did.
Originally Posted by CocoT
So can you explain your view of that tape ? And after listening to the unedited tape do you think this was/is a race issue..still ? Do you think that tape gives enough evidence to say Zimmerman got to Martin and actually approached him after the 911 dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that ?"
I listened as well. My whole "wish" from the beginning of this is that he be arrested and properly tried in a court of law. I could tell from the very beginning that the media was skewing the hell outta this story, and I don't believe everything that comes out in MSM. I STILL don't know where the hell you can shoot and kill someone and skeedaddle on home.
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra
But that's the thing.. can't you do that though in certain cases in Florida because of the Stand Your Ground Law ? Zimmerman did say he was attacked and if you are attacked according to that law you can "stand your ground"..and well shoot to kill. It's considered justifiable homicide.

What is your opinion of that particular law ?
i just think mary looks stupid singing so passionately about a chicken wrap. i wasn't thinking about any racial implications and i haven't read any stories about it.
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Okay.. I looked it up

Florida
2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[20]
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

So if Zimmerman believed his life was in danger or that he was to come to great bodily harm..then according to the law in Florida.. him shooting Martin is justifiable.

I also read this under that Florida law:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
And about Zimmerman being the aggressor... I don't know where they'd get the iron clad evidence from to prove he was the actually aggressor as far as the physical altercation was concerned. Doesn't seem like him following Martin would be enough to convict him of murder.
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Last edited by *Marah*; 04-05-2012 at 06:38 PM.
I listened as well. My whole "wish" from the beginning of this is that he be arrested and properly tried in a court of law. I could tell from the very beginning that the media was skewing the hell outta this story, and I don't believe everything that comes out in MSM. I STILL don't know where the hell you can shoot and kill someone and skeedaddle on home.
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra
But that's the thing.. can't you do that though in certain cases in Florida because of the Stand Your Ground Law ? Zimmerman did say he was attacked and if you are attacked according to that law you can "stand your ground"..and well shoot to kill. It's considered justifiable homicide.

What is your opinion of that particular law ?
Originally Posted by *Marah*
From what I've read, for SYG and/or self defense to apply, Trayvon would have had to be the aggressor and attack Zimmerman, and I don't think they have enough evidence to say that and let him get off scott free. For instance, Zimmerman said that he was walking back to/getting back in his vehicle when TM attacked him - I don't see how that's possible, when TM's body was found nowhere near the vehicle. Furthermore, TM's girlfriend was on the phone with him minutes before he was killed (phone records have verified this) - I don't see how or why he would be on the phone telling his girlfriend that a man is following him and she's telling him to run, and then he trots after Zimmerman and picks a fight? That also doesn't make any sense.

Zimmerman's camp has also been caught in a few variations of the story, which significantly diminishes their credibility (to me, at least) - they keep fumbling and coming up with new stories. For instance, I read/saw something (I've seen so much coverage on this case that I don't remember where or when I saw what anymore, sigh) where Zimmerman's lawyers were saying that TM's girlfriend was lying about being on the phone with him - and they have the records to prove it (they as in TM's camp). Also, I believe they are the ones who keep saying GZ is not a racist, when no one in the media has painted him as such - if you racially profile someone, that does not automatically make you a racist. They keep grasping at this "poor me, stop attacking me" reputational defense, and it's like look dude, you killed a kid - I don't condone people sending him death threats but if he has PTSD, I really don't give a crap.

Then...the video tape of him going into the police station was big for me. I don't even care that the "enhanced" version of the video had red marks on him (which can easily be done by changing the color resolution or white balance of the video, IJS) - it was moreso his broken nose, or lack thereof. When you break your nose, it gushes blood - GZ was wearing a fairly light shirt in the video, and there doesn't seem to be ANY blood on it. Here we have this man talking about getting beat within an inch of this life, and I just do not buy that in the least. I most likely would have believed his story more if he hadn't talked about this major beating and he said that TM tried to grab his gun in the first place (which they also said later, and then they just say it sometimes, so I feel like depending on who is their spokesperson that day forgot their lines). Also, if you are beaten in the head so badly that one more knock will make you a vegetable (as GZ's brother said), you most likely are a) woozy and near passing out and b) concussed. Most (smart) people with concussions go to the hospital, because you may have internal bleeding - if he was beaten in the head THAT badly, it would have been extremely irresponsible for the police to cancel GZ's ambulance and let him go home. What if GZ had died in his sleep? Also (sorry this is long), witnesses say that GZ was standing over TM after the shooting, if you were getting the crap beat out of you, it's highly doubtful that you got off two shots and just hopped up like - WHEW! GLAD I WON! Theeeeennnn...if TM was found lying on his stomach with a single shot to the chest...and he was shot by GZ while he was on top of him...how did he fall? Did he fall on top of GZ (where's the blood?)? Did he fall backwards on his back?

IMO, the ish just doesn't add up and there are several parties here that have missed the mark on doing their jobs.
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Last edited by CurlyElectra; 04-05-2012 at 06:45 PM.
My thing is...this is what it comes down to....can you prove that what zimmerman say is NOT true? Trayvon is not here to tell another side of the story. So its his word...unless they can prove what he said isn't true....it can very well be a justifiable homicide.
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Did anyone here actually listen to the unedited 911 call from Zimmerman to the police ?
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I did.
Originally Posted by CocoT
So can you explain your view of that tape ? And after listening to the unedited tape do you think this was/is a race issue..still ? Do you think that tape gives enough evidence to say Zimmerman got to Martin and actually approached him after the 911 dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that ?"
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Well I see NBC issued an apology for editing the tape initially. Whatever. When I first heard of the story I happened upon the "un-redacted" version shortly afterwards and I still felt/feel the same way about the situation as I always have. If anything, after hearing the unedited tape I feel more strongly about it than I did before I heard it. Zimmerman stalked and killed Trayvon. He didn't stand his ground. He didn't cry. He didn't get his ass beat. I don't believe anything else.

So of course I believe there's enough to charge Zimmerman, especially if you connect the dots, but in the grand scheme of things I'm not privy to the law or anything. A lawyer on his team will try to win the case and I'm sure Zimmerman's team will pull out everything they possibly can to win this for Zimmerman. I was as sure as the sky is blue that Casey Anthony would get the book thrown at her ass but the justice system gave her a get out of jail free card. So although I don't look forward to it in the least, I know there is a possibility that he will be a free man. I'm not okay with that AT ALL.
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My thing is...this is what it comes down to....can you prove that what zimmerman say is NOT true? Trayvon is not here to tell another side of the story. So its his word...unless they can prove what he said isn't true....it can very well be a justifiable homicide.
Originally Posted by tbabyy

This is what scares me. They have to prove in court, beyond reasonable doubt, that he was not provoked, didn't feel threatened, and didn't kill this boy in self defense. The evidence has to say so as well. I'm afraid all they have to do is prove that it's possible that Zimmerman felt threatened, and they will win. So sure we know what happened. But can a prosecuter prove what didn't happen? (ie Trayvon "threatening" him, or coming at him)
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I heard that no medical records have yet to be released with Zimmerman going to a hospital after the incident. Don't know if that's true, but based off the video I'd be pretty confident that that's true. Why would a guy so concerned about his life, to the point where he felt threatened enough to kill somebody, not go to a hospital after sustaining life threatening injuries?

My mom always said if it don't make sense, it's a damn lie.
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I like this story on the case - Bang! 'You got me!' Are they kidding? Trayvon's last words were 'You got me'? - Baltimore liberal | Examiner.com.

I mean it's obviously biased but it does provide some truth to how fcuking ridiculous GZ's camp sounds.
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Well, after finding out the media spliced together the tape ...and I had heard the edited version of the tape.. I went and sought out the unedited version.

I listened to it over and over. And I have to say.. my feelings just aren't the same anymore. Reguardless of all the inconsistencies in story after story from Zimmerman's camp, the media, and so called witnesses... I can't say that I honestly am sure in my heart that Zimmerman stalked this kid down to kill him. I do believe he thought the guy was suspicious and up to no good. Maybe he thought it was because he was black..maybe it wasn't. But that's not a crime.

I can't even say that Zimmerman was the inital aggressor in the physical altercation..or that Martin was either for that matter. I just don't know because there is no doggone evidence to prove it.

I can't even say that Zimmerman isn't covered under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law...cause on the unedited doggone tape the dude says clearly he lost Martin. He was even leary of giving out his address because he said he didn't know where the guy was..so there is not much that seems like it could prove he was the actual physical attacker first. I mean cause if that can't be proven..all his lawyer has to do is argue the hell out of the fact that Martin attacked him and that he feared for his life.. and he used justifiable force...and the result was Martin's death.

Now I will say.. I did finally hear the "effin coons" part.. it's under his breath.. but if you wear head phones and turned the sound up real loud..you can definitely hear it. He didn't say "effin goons". But even that.. it just proves dude says racist slurs...and it isn't enough to get him sent up the river on murder charges.

So someone has a HELL of case to put up if they are going to try and get this guy on murder. I mean I don't see it. And I don't think there is enough outcry in the earth that will change that.. cause it's basically Zimmerman's word. Martin is dead and gone.. so never will hear his side of it. And well I honestly believe those are the only 2 that knew what happened that night.

And from the looks of things..it doesn't look like black people are getting that much support from others on this.. most of those rallies and marches are mainly black folks. Other folks for the most part aren't thinking about getting involved in this at all..besides to discuss it at the water cooler.
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