Originally Posted by ninja dog

Originally Posted by *Marah*

Originally Posted by tae082

Originally Posted by greenjumper

Having recently entered into a racial debate in another group which soon descended into a full scale online row, I now try to avoid racial debates because I've come to realize that debating is just another derailing tactic.

There is nothing to debate. Racism exists. It’s widespread. It’s a problem. It's not as bad as white folks think because it's actually much, much worse. So if you come across a white person who wants to argue, cloud the issue, split hairs then you've reached the end of the conversation - period. It's not your job to convert people. They have to choose to either be a decent human being or to support the racist colonialist system that exists. Establish these boundaries immediately and stick to them. If they ask you if you really do experience racism, ask them why they're asking you that. If they start with lines like, "I can't imagine," "I refuse to believe," "I just don't see," end the conversation.

Racial Discussion Is Not an "Exchange" of Ideas. One of the popular lines from white people who talk about race online is, "This is why we need to have these conversations more often." My version is : "We've already been having this conversation. We've been having it for centuries. You just didn't want to listen, and you still don't. So if we're going to do this, it's going to start with your listening. This isn't about what we can learn from each other - this is about you learning from me, and you're already behind by four centuries. There are no two ways about it. It is non-negotiable. If that hurts your feelings or bruises your ego, then admit to yourself now that you are weak and/or not cut out for this."

Do Not End Racial Discussions on a Positive Note.If white people end racial discussions on an optimistic note, they stop thinking about what they were hearing about only moments earlier. They're happy. They feel absolved and they tell themselves that things will eventually work themselves out. They're not motivated to do anything. That's why they have to leave these discussions bothered, troubled and deeply perturbed. They need to hear and see the worst. We don't get a slow, gentle, candy-coated introduction to the pains of racism. Never have. White folks shouldn't get to either.

White ppl have had 400 years to "get it" and their performance so far has been abysmal. What leads to many black people’s frustration is most of us operate under the misguided notion that intelligence is all someone needs to learn something. Learning, in fact, requires additional components to intelligence, like consistent practice, research, recall, overall self-discipline, and a need for the absolute truth of things. White privilege conditions much of this out of most white people by the time they hit puberty.

Some of you call it being patient or being the bigger person. F**K THAT. You don't need white people to like you - if they cross the line, make them uncomfortable. Remember white people BELIEVE YOU when you come with that sweet talk. They BELIEVE YOU when you laugh off their racism. We have already overcome and survived a lot in this world and we did so without the support from white people. Many of us were tortured and killed...and WE'RE STILL HERE. So do not doubt your worth or tone down your voice or temper your strength. So if you're being dehumanized socially, assert yourself and walk way. If you're being dehumanized occupationally or academically...LEGAL ACTION.

DON'T EVER LET THEM PUNK YOU !!

Tolerance is a ******** term and black people need to stop tolerating from hereon out, online and in real life.

Having recently entered into a racial debate in another group which soon descended into a full scale online row, I now try to avoid racial debates because I've come to realize that debating is just another derailing tactic.

There is nothing to debate. Racism exists. It’s widespread. It’s a problem. It's not as bad as white folks think because it's actually much, much worse. So if you come across a white person who wants to argue, cloud the issue, split hairs then you've reached the end of the conversation - period. It's not your job to convert people. They have to choose to either be a decent human being or to support the racist colonialist system that exists. Establish these boundaries immediately and stick to them. If they ask you if you really do experience racism, ask them why they're asking you that. If they start with lines like, "I can't imagine," "I refuse to believe," "I just don't see," end the conversation.

Racial Discussion Is Not an "Exchange" of Ideas. One of the popular lines from white people who talk about race online is, "This is why we need to have these conversations more often." My version is : "We've already been having this conversation. We've been having it for centuries. You just didn't want to listen, and you still don't. So if we're going to do this, it's going to start with your listening. This isn't about what we can learn from each other - this is about you learning from me, and you're already behind by four centuries. There are no two ways about it. It is non-negotiable. If that hurts your feelings or bruises your ego, then admit to yourself now that you are weak and/or not cut out for this."

Do Not End Racial Discussions on a Positive Note.If white people end racial discussions on an optimistic note, they stop thinking about what they were hearing about only moments earlier. They're happy. They feel absolved and they tell themselves that things will eventually work themselves out. They're not motivated to do anything. That's why they have to leave these discussions bothered, troubled and deeply perturbed. They need to hear and see the worst. We don't get a slow, gentle, candy-coated introduction to the pains of racism. Never have. White folks shouldn't get to either.

White ppl have had 400 years to "get it" and their performance so far has been abysmal. What leads to many black people’s frustration is most of us operate under the misguided notion that intelligence is all someone needs to learn something. Learning, in fact, requires additional components to intelligence, like consistent practice, research, recall, overall self-discipline, and a need for the absolute truth of things. White privilege conditions much of this out of most white people by the time they hit puberty.

Some of you call it being patient or being the bigger person. F**K THAT. You don't need white people to like you - if they cross the line, make them uncomfortable. Remember white people BELIEVE YOU when you come with that sweet talk. They BELIEVE YOU when you laugh off their racism. We have already overcome and survived a lot in this world and we did so without the support from white people. Many of us were tortured and killed...and WE'RE STILL HERE. So do not doubt your worth or tone down your voice or temper your strength. So if you're being dehumanized socially, assert yourself and walk way. If you're being dehumanized occupationally or academically...LEGAL ACTION.

DON'T EVER LET THEM PUNK YOU !!

Tolerance is a ******** term and black people need to stop tolerating from hereon out, online and in real life.