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Okay... I read both articles. Let me preface this by saying I've heard of Too Short and saw him before but am not familiar with his songs. But reading the articles.. Um no. Not feeling Too Short. While I can understand his explanations.. I can't relate. I think he's not taking FULL responsibility for what he did. He can sit there and talk about a conspiracy all he wants..but Barry Weiss didn't write any lyrics.. Too Short did. And I don't care that Too Short is a personna. There is a real life person in there that knew better. And for money and fame he sold his damn soul. He let all this nostalgia he got from his time with Lil Jon and people going ballistic over his music get the better of him. Ultimately, he had a choice. He didn't have to make those kinds of records. Maybe he wouldn't have blown up but later on he wouldn't have to come back and make excuses.

And I'm DEFINITELY not trying to hear his excuse about the Fatherly Advice subject. He KNEW that was wrong and did it anyway. He says it was just a joke. I don't care. He was a grown man doing that mess talking about children in that manner is highly inappropriate. He didn't have to do that.. He made the choice to give a raunchy education on boys sexually pleasuring girls manually. HE took it there. So I don't care what his intentions were.. I care about what the heck he did. Cause intentions don't mean a hill of beans when it's all said and done. It's about what you do and what you don't do.

So yeah I think these executives definitely want black folks to act degenerate but these artists DO have a choice. And I can't blame a record executive about choices they make..they can easily say.. No I'm not singing that, I'm not rapping that, I'm not wearing that, I'm not going on air or tv and lying about that.. NO! Yeah..perhaps some record companies would let them go or try to force their hand..but unless they Suge Knight..the Barry Weiss's of the world ain't ready to snatch a knot in your azz about refusing to act like a degenerate. The Barry Weiss's of the world trying to get paid..and they ain't going to jail over no negro music. I'm sorry..they just ain't. Know what Barry Weiss is doing today ???..he's STILL getting paid. He's the Chairman and CEO of The Island Def Jam Music Group and Universal Republic. And what is Too Short doing...having to make excuses for his foul behavior here all the way in 2012 at 40 effin 6 years old. Can he grow the hell up.

See..see..this is what I'm talking about then folks wanna get hot when I say this stuff...
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Ok, let me preface this by saying that I'm not a fan of Too Short's music in general, although I am aware of a few of his most popular songs.

With that being said, I don't disagree with you..except for on his accountability. Maybe we'll just have to chalk this up to a matter of difference in perception because I didn't get the impression that he was trying to absolve himself from any responsibility for what he did or what happened. His choice was to comply with what the industry executives, and other people involved, who wanted a certain type of music. I just felt like he was being candid.

What I get out of this story is an example of how money and institutions of power can have a significant influence on the behaviors of another person. This is an example of how rap/hip hop/music has become commodified. Depth and quality are thrown by the wayside and the "artists" who become the most successful are the ones that are compliant or "sell their souls". Does he or any one else who does what he's done deserve sympathy or pity? No, not necessarily. But it is what it is.
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@juanb from the articles he clarified that it was intended as a joke and it was misinterpreted. Nevertheless it still was a tasteless joke. See I did not know that Too Short was actually a real bona-fide persona only for studio and stage. honestly I did not heavily start listening to rap until high school so all I know is Shake that Monkey Too Short.
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Okay... I read both articles. Let me preface this by saying I've heard of Too Short and saw him before but am not familiar with his songs. But reading the articles.. Um no. Not feeling Too Short. While I can understand his explanations.. I can't relate. I think he's not taking FULL responsibility for what he did. He can sit there and talk about a conspiracy all he wants..but Barry Weiss didn't write any lyrics.. Too Short did. And I don't care that Too Short is a personna. There is a real life person in there that knew better. And for money and fame he sold his damn soul. He let all this nostalgia he got from his time with Lil Jon and people going ballistic over his music get the better of him. Ultimately, he had a choice. He didn't have to make those kinds of records. Maybe he wouldn't have blown up but later on he wouldn't have to come back and make excuses.

And I'm DEFINITELY not trying to hear his excuse about the Fatherly Advice subject. He KNEW that was wrong and did it anyway. He says it was just a joke. I don't care. He was a grown man doing that mess talking about children in that manner is highly inappropriate. He didn't have to do that.. He made the choice to give a raunchy education on boys sexually pleasuring girls manually. HE took it there. So I don't care what his intentions were.. I care about what the heck he did. Cause intentions don't mean a hill of beans when it's all said and done. It's about what you do and what you don't do.

So yeah I think these executives definitely want black folks to act degenerate but these artists DO have a choice. And I can't blame a record executive about choices they make..they can easily say.. No I'm not singing that, I'm not rapping that, I'm not wearing that, I'm not going on air or tv and lying about that.. NO! Yeah..perhaps some record companies would let them go or try to force their hand..but unless they Suge Knight..the Barry Weiss's of the world ain't ready to snatch a knot in your azz about refusing to act like a degenerate. The Barry Weiss's of the world trying to get paid..and they ain't going to jail over no negro music. I'm sorry..they just ain't. Know what Barry Weiss is doing today ???..he's STILL getting paid. He's the Chairman and CEO of The Island Def Jam Music Group and Universal Republic. And what is Too Short doing...having to make excuses for his foul behavior here all the way in 2012 at 40 effin 6 years old. Can he grow the hell up.

See..see..this is what I'm talking about then folks wanna get hot when I say this stuff...
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Ok, let me preface this by saying that I'm not a fan of Too Short's music in general, although I am aware of a few of his most popular songs.

With that being said, I don't disagree with you..except for on his accountability. Maybe we'll just have to chalk this up to a matter of difference in perception because I didn't get the impression that he was trying to absolve himself from any responsibility for what he did or what happened. His choice was to comply with what the industry executives, and other people involved, who wanted a certain type of music. I just felt like he was being candid.

What I get out of this story is an example of how money and institutions of power can have a significant influence on the behaviors of another person. This is an example of how rap/hip hop/music has become commodified. Depth and quality are thrown by the wayside and the "artists" who become the most successful are the ones that are compliant or "sell their souls". Does he or any one else who does what he's done deserve sympathy or pity? No, not necessarily. But it is what it is.
Originally Posted by CocoT
I also I really don't think he was searching for sympathy either. But that is MY perception from the tone of the articles. He was speaking his piece and leaving it at that.
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Not buying that it's a joke. Misogyny is one of the hallmarks of his music.


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Ok, let me preface this by saying that I'm not a fan of Too Short's music in general, although I am aware of a few of his most popular songs.

With that being said, I don't disagree with you..except for on his accountability. Maybe we'll just have to chalk this up to a matter of difference in perception because I didn't get the impression that he was trying to absolve himself from any responsibility for what he did or what happened. His choice was to comply with what the industry executives, and other people involved, who wanted a certain type of music. I just felt like he was being candid.

What I get out of this story is an example of how money and institutions of power can have a significant influence on the behaviors of another person. This is an example of how rap/hip hop/music has become commodified. Depth and quality are thrown by the wayside and the "artists" who become the most successful are the ones that are compliant or "sell their souls". Does he or any one else who does what he's done deserve sympathy or pity? No, not necessarily. But it is what it is.
Originally Posted by CocoT
Sure..it is what it is..agreed. I just felt like he should have just completely owned it. He didn't. I didn't say he didn't take ANY responsibility. I said he didn't take FULL responsiblity for his actions. There's a difference. I don't think he was looking for sympathy, empathy, or a pat on the back. I think he was justifying his actions on some level and needed to do that for his own peace of mind because it's hard to live with the truth of your BS sometimes.

And oh yeah.. I certainly believe money and institutions of power do have signifcant influence on many. Prime example: Penn State and it's Sandusky drama. Bernie Madoff and his criminal acts. Two damn degenerates with money and institutions of influence backing their bull. And I believe it did on Todd Shaw..given I don't think he's done anything (at least from the articles) that suggest he's on their level of degeneracy. He got caught up in a personna many years ago..I get it.

But now..Todd Shaw ...He's 46 and no one with money and influence suggested he do all of that with Fatherly Advice here in 2012. So I feel like..what did this old ass man learn from selling his soul (that he seemed to regret) the first doggone time ? But yeah perhaps it's a perception issue..I didn't look at it as him JUST being candid. People's actions are important. Sure I listen to what they say and their justifications for what they did in the past....but in the end.. I want to know what the hell they did and are doing now. Actions speak louder than words...to me.

But I respect your view and thanks for the articles..they were indeed interesting as you said they were.
Not buying that it's a joke. Misogyny is one of the hallmarks of his music.


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Originally Posted by juanab
Well apparently he wasn't trying to do all of that...

He said:

I’ve read so many things about myself, about the explicit lyrics and whatever. … The lyrics [were interpreted as] misogynistic or degrading to women, but if you listen, if you was there, it was all funny, man. It was entertainment. You would listen to a Too Short song and parts of the song would make you laugh out loud the first time you heard it. And that was the intention of it. It was not intended to ever be like, “Hey guys, I want a million people to listen to me and let’s f*****g just s**t on the females.” It was never about that.

There’s this one song on this new album, [No Trespassing], it’s called “Trying To Come Up,” and it came out of me, the Too Short you talking about came out of me. You can go back and you can find some statements I was making in the press three, four years ago [where] I was saying I really don’t wanna put out this negative, dirty music, I’ma try to like clean it up. And, attempts at doing that have not worked yet.

I'm sorry but that looks like not taking full reponsibility..what the heck ? HE trying to clean it up..He's a grown behind man. Just don't do it..what you got tourette syndrome when it's time to rap and you just say crazy things ? Attempts ? Huh.. ?
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The 58-year-old TV titan admits she once came close to chopping her hair off, but a famous friend helped talk her out of making a major mistake. "I wanted to wear it close-cropped a la Camille Cosby but her husband, Bill, convinced me otherwise. 'Don't do it,' he said. 'You've got the wrong head shape and you'll disappoint yourself.' I took his advice."


Oprah Winfrey Shows Off Gorgeous Natural Hair for O Magazine - UsMagazine.com

Oprah Winfrey is embracing her hair "in its natural state" on the cover of O, The Oprah Magazine's September makeover issue.
The 58-year-old TV titan admits she once came close to chopping her hair off, but a famous friend helped talk her out of making a major mistake. "I wanted to wear it close-cropped a la Camille Cosby but her husband, Bill, convinced me otherwise. 'Don't do it,' he said. 'You've got the wrong head shape and you'll disappoint yourself.' I took his advice."
Originally Posted by *Marah*
What da hell he know about hee head shape. Disappoint herself. He ought to be ashamed of that. And she slow for takin that advice

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Not buying that it's a joke. Misogyny is one of the hallmarks of his music.


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Originally Posted by juanab
Well apparently he wasn't trying to do all of that...

He said:

I’ve read so many things about myself, about the explicit lyrics and whatever. … The lyrics [were interpreted as] misogynistic or degrading to women, but if you listen, if you was there, it was all funny, man. It was entertainment. You would listen to a Too Short song and parts of the song would make you laugh out loud the first time you heard it. And that was the intention of it. It was not intended to ever be like, “Hey guys, I want a million people to listen to me and let’s f*****g just s**t on the females.” It was never about that.

There’s this one song on this new album, [No Trespassing], it’s called “Trying To Come Up,” and it came out of me, the Too Short you talking about came out of me. You can go back and you can find some statements I was making in the press three, four years ago [where] I was saying I really don’t wanna put out this negative, dirty music, I’ma try to like clean it up. And, attempts at doing that have not worked yet.

I'm sorry but that looks like not taking full reponsibility..what the heck ? HE trying to clean it up..He's a grown behind man. Just don't do it..what you got tourette syndrome when it's time to rap and you just say crazy things ? Attempts ? Huh.. ?
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Any man who refers to women as "females" is a misogynist in my book.

I'm sorry. I don't say males when I mean men. Saying "females" unless you are saying someone is a female as in that's her sex, just tells me that you objectify women and all they're good for is sex. STFU Too Short!


You either are clean or not, WTF is "trying to clean it up?" All you have to do is not do the negative stuff. What a load of bull. Stop it.

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Funny, I posted on my FB today something I read that said to never trust a man who refers to women as "females" because I agree that it's something that comes out of the mouth of sexist douchebags.
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I have a serious question...like seriously. I use the term females and I really mean no harm at all. So what do you call a group of women and girls..like it you want to refer to them collectively ? I recall Ice Cube said in Friday to Deebo.. "Yo..that's a female!" when Deebo I think hit Felicia or something. Seemed Ice Cube was trying to protect the woman..not be misogynistic.
I thought I was the only one that was put off by women being referred to as "females", especially by men.
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Oprah Winfrey Shows Off Gorgeous Natural Hair for O Magazine - UsMagazine.com

Oprah Winfrey is embracing her hair "in its natural state" on the cover of O, The Oprah Magazine's September makeover issue.
The 58-year-old TV titan admits she once came close to chopping her hair off, but a famous friend helped talk her out of making a major mistake. "I wanted to wear it close-cropped a la Camille Cosby but her husband, Bill, convinced me otherwise. 'Don't do it,' he said. 'You've got the wrong head shape and you'll disappoint yourself.' I took his advice."
Originally Posted by *Marah*
What da hell he know about hee head shape. Disappoint herself. He ought to be ashamed of that. And she slow for takin that advice

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Originally Posted by B-Nessa11
Nawl.. Bill was right as hell on that one. Not all sistas look good with a low fade..for real. And I seen those videos back when Oprah's hair got burned off when she first started doing tv in Baltimore I think..and nawl..wasn't a good look for that sista. I'm not even trying to be mean either..I love Oprah. But a sista need some hair..for real ..for real.
I hate the term females to refer to women. I am a human; I am a woman. Do not refer to me as anything else. We're the same species.

Marah: It's just so dehumanizing. Like, we differentiate between different sexes of different species by referring to their reproductive organs. I don't like being reduced to a reproductive organ to identify me.

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I hate the term females to refer to women. I am a human; I am a woman. Do not refer to me as anything else. We're the same species.

Marah: It's just so dehumanizing. Like, we differentiate between different sexes of different species by referring to their reproductive organs. I don't like being reduced to a reproductive organ to identify me.

Originally Posted by annabananalise
Okay..I don't see it that way. It's just not that serious to me.

But can you answer my question that I asked ?

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