More hair pics! Not 4b?

Hey again! So here are some pics of my hair after I decided that I couldn't handle having it straightened anymore. 1 time pressed every 6 months, but I really was feeling the tension. You know, when you straighten your hair and all of a sudden have to worry about water? Well, it's almost always blizzarding or raining up here, so I've had to duck and cover from every overhang... ugh! Made me feel a bit useless, that!

So, I started by saying goodbye to the super straight. I sprayed it with water and olive oil. Some shrinkage. Then I pulled it back and went about the rest of my week. Then I took it back down wavy and dry again, looks kinda straight. The up up close is a little bit of my stretched curl pattern. Someone said that I'm not 4b... but Idk about any kind of definition that would suggest otherwise. I do have the 75% shrinkage, at least, and I doubt there's a miracle product to help me out with that and curl definition.

I did get shea moisture (drove 2 hours to get it!) and eco styler, and I look pretty horrendous, dry crunchy-looking hair since nothing clumped but some hair just on top. I even twisted everything else, and they turned out worse than usual without any products. My next trial is Upper Mgmt Gel by Kiss My Face.

The pic with the white stuff is full fat coconut milk, olive oil, raw shea butter, and honey. It felt nice! But after 2 hours prepooing, did nothing really. I co washed (didn't poo).

But here ya go! (If you don't know, I spend a lot of time going on and on about my hair tribulations. ) Please give some tips, or thoughts. Tonight I'm washing, drying, then spritzing for a Curlformers set. I've got a big bridal shower on Saturday, and I need to stop looking like a slob! (Not a natural jab, I just seriously look like I haven't seen sunlight in a week, and probably smell like it too!)
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Hey back at you. I was wondering what you ended up doing. Have you tried Kinky Curly Curling Custard yet?
Don't judge by Shea Moisture. I get dry yicky hair from that stuff also! Good luck with upper management gel! The trick is applying while your hair is soaking wet. with a little leave in conditioner. as your hair starts to dry while applying, wet areas you haven't applied to yet so it is still wet. when you put the gel on.
You look like a 4b type with some 4a. A lot of people aren't use to seeing longer type 4b hair and people who were 4b when they were short to mid-length seem to magically change when it gets longer. People said the same about me! Also, I've noticed if someone's hair looks nice, people seem reluctant to say it is 4b. I remember one poster on this site 'multicultural curly' I think her name was - once said that her damaged hair looked like 4b! Which I find insulting so people do have a distorted view of what 4b is supposed to look like. Not all 4b's look exactly the same.

If you hair doesn't clump or form some kind of curl with product by itself at all it falls in the 4b onwards category and very pretty 4b it is!
Hey back at you. I was wondering what you ended up doing. Have you tried Kinky Curly Curling Custard yet?
Don't judge by Shea Moisture. I get dry yicky hair from that stuff also! Good luck with upper management gel! The trick is applying while your hair is soaking wet. with a little leave in conditioner. as your hair starts to dry while applying, wet areas you haven't applied to yet so it is still wet. when you put the gel on.
Originally Posted by shainala
I got there and... Well I though, holy man sauce, that stuff is expensive! And I didn't know, is it supposed to be a gel? But after getting the Shea moisture, I realized that that little jar would've lasted a while. I'm barely skimming the surface of the shea moisture, but it is leaving my hair kinda sticky, and a bit... not clean feeling. I do like the scent, so I mixed it with some gel or hold mixture.

I finally, first-hand discovered the Shea Moisture + Eco Styler white balls conundrum.
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You look like a 4b type with some 4a. A lot of people aren't use to seeing longer type 4b hair and people who were 4b when they were short to mid-length seem to magically change when it gets longer. People said the same about me! Also, I've noticed if someone's hair looks nice, people seem reluctant to say it is 4b. I remember one poster on this site 'multicultural curly' I think her name was - once said that her damaged hair looked like 4b! Which I find insulting so people do have a distorted view of what 4b is supposed to look like. Not all 4b's look exactly the same.

If you hair doesn't clump or form some kind of curl with product by itself at all it falls in the 4b onwards category and very pretty 4b it is!
Originally Posted by Lela7
I think the top top, first inch or so back is 4a. when wet, the curl pattern is very defined, and the pretty wavies everyone wants. But the rest is the taut curly stuff. I have pics here, there's a little 2 inch section that I let out after fresh-washing last night/this am, so you could see the shrinkage. It's still wet there. Also, some close ups of that sections ends. When soaked, the pattern is a box-like pattern. Know what I mean? Not zig zag, not spiral, but... Like 5s? Everything else is all undefined, but a lot of it clumps into little boxes. I_T I_ T I_T ... Gah, I tried!

I have curlformers in now (ran out, did a few twists) but have to leave the house... So they wont be in. This time, I dried my hair first, then added some small shea stuff... I hope it sets!
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Last edited by bharjala; 03-23-2012 at 11:05 AM.
You look like a 4b type with some 4a. A lot of people aren't use to seeing longer type 4b hair and people who were 4b when they were short to mid-length seem to magically change when it gets longer. People said the same about me! Also, I've noticed if someone's hair looks nice, people seem reluctant to say it is 4b. I remember one poster on this site 'multicultural curly' I think her name was - once said that her damaged hair looked like 4b! Which I find insulting so people do have a distorted view of what 4b is supposed to look like. Not all 4b's look exactly the same.

If you hair doesn't clump or form some kind of curl with product by itself at all it falls in the 4b onwards category and very pretty 4b it is!
Originally Posted by Lela7
And about the 4b! I totally get what you mean, if it's long, they have to be mixed. If it's long, it's not 4b... I am mixed, but that certainly didn't take! Relaxers don't even taken well, never have (back in the day, when I was relaxed).

I think, it's like... remember when, like 90s or whenever, if you had long hair, you must've had a weave? Everyone I saw back home saw me and started pulling on my hair, black cousins and whatnot. They all jacked up their hair so much with chemicals, irons, and had super short damaged hair. So whenever I came by it was like I had to prove that I didn't have a wig on or a quick weave. I think that must be the same for long 4bs, it can't be real!
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Hey good to see you back. Glad to see you are doing some experimenting. I just want to say that you may have to wait awhile to get your hair's true curl size since you have straightened so long. I say MAY because you may have some heat damage after straightening so long. I say that from experience because after years of straightening and pressing, when I finally got all that hair off my head my hair was way different than I had perceived it for all those years.

I am not going to wade into the curl-type debate but I see that your hair is curly and am glad to see that you are paying more attention to your hair and taking note of what works and does not, and making a go of it. It is fabulous and I am glad you have some support in your husband.
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Hi! I just read this thread and your other. IMO, gel might be the key to getting your hair under control a bit - my hair is nowhere near long as yours (just under my ears) and it would be a horrible matted mess without gel.

I'm wondering how you're using the gel? How I distribute makes a big difference in how it looks (clumping, frizz, etc).


4a?? Maybe 3c...some 4b??? No clue

tiny s-waves, coils, and spirals


- Cleanser: CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
- Co-wash: Suave Naturals or V05
- RO: GVP Conditioning Balm or Tresemme Naturals
-Stylers: Garnier Pure Clean Gel, CJ Aloe Fix, KCCC


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"and all the hours that you've been sitting at your vanity....may they carry you far from your misery" - conor oberst
Hey good to see you back. Glad to see you are doing some experimenting. I just want to say that you may have to wait awhile to get your hair's true curl size since you have straightened so long.
Originally Posted by 3c4d7zwhatevs
I think I must've written something wrong! I straighten my hair 2x per YEAR. Not every month, or every week, but 2x per year, February and August, for length checks and trimming. I see my curl pattern, it's just evil!
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Hey good to see you back. Glad to see you are doing some experimenting. I just want to say that you may have to wait awhile to get your hair's true curl size since you have straightened so long.
Originally Posted by 3c4d7zwhatevs
I think I must've written something wrong! I straighten my hair 2x per YEAR. Not every month, or every week, but 2x per year, February and August, for length checks and trimming. I see my curl pattern, it's just evil!
Originally Posted by bharjala
My bad - I thought that you had been straightening more often for a long period. Maybe I read wrong. I was trying to remember from your other thread.

And take it back - your hair is not evil, it's just testing you lol.

In all seriousness, I am glad you bumped this thread. Have you pondered cutting it a bit? I am thinking that might help you wilth the manageablility of it? Start with a trim (and make sure whoever is cutting it KNOWS it is a trim!) and see if that helps, and maybe consider getting it cut into a style you can manipulate more easily.
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Hi! I just read this thread and your other. IMO, gel might be the key to getting your hair under control a bit - my hair is nowhere near long as yours (just under my ears) and it would be a horrible matted mess without gel.

I'm wondering how you're using the gel? How I distribute makes a big difference in how it looks (clumping, frizz, etc).
Originally Posted by triple_spiral
Thanks for the response! I have the clear ECO styler, and a tiny Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel. What I've been doing is, on freshly washed hair, making small 1in sections (wet) detangling that section again with the Denman, and wetting my fingers with a creamy substance (Shea Moisture, Shea butter, or a conditioner...) and spreading it along the section, then a good-sized glob of gel and just saturating it.

From there, I'd make twists. Lemme tell ya, it takes forever. And the twists end up drying WORSE than when I don't use any products.

Is there some other way of doing it? Should I do bigger sections? Is it better on dry hair?
~My salvation lies in your love... Alexi Murdoch~
Hi! I just read this thread and your other. IMO, gel might be the key to getting your hair under control a bit - my hair is nowhere near long as yours (just under my ears) and it would be a horrible matted mess without gel.

I'm wondering how you're using the gel? How I distribute makes a big difference in how it looks (clumping, frizz, etc).
Originally Posted by triple_spiral
Thanks for the response! I have the clear ECO styler, and a tiny Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel. What I've been doing is, on freshly washed hair, making small 1in sections (wet) detangling that section again with the Denman, and wetting my fingers with a creamy substance (Shea Moisture, Shea butter, or a conditioner...) and spreading it along the section, then a good-sized glob of gel and just saturating it.

From there, I'd make twists. Lemme tell ya, it takes forever. And the twists end up drying WORSE than when I don't use any products.

Is there some other way of doing it? Should I do bigger sections? Is it better on dry hair?
Originally Posted by bharjala
Why not wear the hair as is after adding on the gel? Do you feel you have to twist it?



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Hi! I just read this thread and your other. IMO, gel might be the key to getting your hair under control a bit - my hair is nowhere near long as yours (just under my ears) and it would be a horrible matted mess without gel.

I'm wondering how you're using the gel? How I distribute makes a big difference in how it looks (clumping, frizz, etc).
Originally Posted by triple_spiral
Thanks for the response! I have the clear ECO styler, and a tiny Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel. What I've been doing is, on freshly washed hair, making small 1in sections (wet) detangling that section again with the Denman, and wetting my fingers with a creamy substance (Shea Moisture, Shea butter, or a conditioner...) and spreading it along the section, then a good-sized glob of gel and just saturating it.

From there, I'd make twists. Lemme tell ya, it takes forever. And the twists end up drying WORSE than when I don't use any products.

Is there some other way of doing it? Should I do bigger sections? Is it better on dry hair?
Originally Posted by bharjala

Sounds very similar to what I do. Except that I use my denman after I apply gel (just to be sure it's really coating every bit), adn I don't twist. I'm not sure twisting would be causing problems for you, but the few times I've tried it's hasn't been good for me at all (I'm not very good with hair styles, though, so I pull hair out, tangle, etc).

I agree that a trim MAY help, just because it's so much hair, and if your ends are messed up/tangly that makes a big difference.

Also, could you be protein-sensitive? That's the reason I don't use eco-styler, the protein tangles me up instantly.

That's all I can think of, I'm just figuring all this out myself....hope you find something that works for you! BTW if I didn't say it before I think your hair is really BEAUTIFUL, and the legnth is super impressive!


4a?? Maybe 3c...some 4b??? No clue

tiny s-waves, coils, and spirals


- Cleanser: CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
- Co-wash: Suave Naturals or V05
- RO: GVP Conditioning Balm or Tresemme Naturals
-Stylers: Garnier Pure Clean Gel, CJ Aloe Fix, KCCC


"I remember your childhood hair....flowin' wild at the county fair" - kelley stoltz

"and all the hours that you've been sitting at your vanity....may they carry you far from your misery" - conor oberst
Hey back at you. I was wondering what you ended up doing. Have you tried Kinky Curly Curling Custard yet?
Don't judge by Shea Moisture. I get dry yicky hair from that stuff also! Good luck with upper management gel! The trick is applying while your hair is soaking wet. with a little leave in conditioner. as your hair starts to dry while applying, wet areas you haven't applied to yet so it is still wet. when you put the gel on.
Originally Posted by shainala
I got there and... Well I though, holy man sauce, that stuff is expensive! And I didn't know, is it supposed to be a gel? But after getting the Shea moisture, I realized that that little jar would've lasted a while. I'm barely skimming the surface of the shea moisture, but it is leaving my hair kinda sticky, and a bit... not clean feeling. I do like the scent, so I mixed it with some gel or hold mixture.

I finally, first-hand discovered the Shea Moisture + Eco Styler white balls conundrum.
Originally Posted by bharjala

I just came off of trying Shea Moisture curl smoothie & DT Masque 4 times.Had been hearing raves about it everywhere but it's not for my fine thick hair. I,too, got dry ,unclean feeling hair,too.Never stayed moisturized with the smoothie & I had to reapply it every day which created buildup.Water/oil spritzing was no help Even tried using the masque for twists when the smoothie didn't feel right. Same problem,plus the masque didn't feel like it penetrated my hair,even after I used a heat cap with it. There's something in it my hair doesn't like.Maybe it's the protein in the masque, & something else in the smoothie.Both made my hair soft but felt dry,stiff & unclean. It's not the shea butter because I've used that alone & as an ingredient in other products like Carol's Daughter & Qhemet & they leave my hair soft & nice. As soon as I washed it & applied the CD Tui smoothie ,hair butter & elixir, they just melted into my hair & it feels wonderful. I used Qhemet all winter & had great results,too.
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Fine,soft hair with little penspring curls of different sizes. Small patch of wavy hair at center of my nape. Did BC in 2009 after 28yrs of curly perms.
Products:WEN Fig, KinkyCurly, QhemetBiologics, SheaMoisture, Vatika oil, EVCO, EVOO, WGO, JBCO products
Okay, I think I've figured it out! I'll post pics of my latest experiment and style... And how I figured out the Eco Styler!
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