Is This A Scam? Ingredients Question for Chem Experts x-post

My friend wants to get something called a BodipHier:

I said I don't know anything about that relaxer brand and she said it's all natural, etc. and so on and I said, anything that relaxes your hair permanently has a chemical compound reaction based formula, and she haggled for a while and got huffy, so I went to the site and it lists the following ingredients:

Purified Alkaline Water, 100% Natural Soda Ash & Minerals, 100% Natural Citric, 100% Natural Menthol, Cetyl Wax, Emulsifying Wax, Petrolatum, Mineral Oil, Lanotrol, Volpo 10, Methyl Paraben, Propyl Paraben, 100% Natural Protein Powder, Shea Butter, 100% Natural Protein Oil, 100% Natural Soy Bean Oil, and Fragrance.

It sounds like the old Rio formulas-- Remember the all natural 'softener' or whatever that sold like hotcakes that Debbie Allen (who has 3bcurls btw) was hawking until the company got sued for fraud when everyone's hair started to fall out after a few weeks...

I believe that most people will continue with harsh styling practices and chems until their hair falls out or they get diagnosed with a medical condition that specifically precludes that kind of thing, but she's my friend so, I decided to post here anyway in case any of the chemists were on board Laurabeth, Jessicurl, Meyer girl, etc... and in the offchance I was mistaken about the snarkiness of some of these ingredients.

Thanks everyone.

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The ingredient list doesn't look bad, however, isn't soda ash used to make soap which has lye components in it?????? I mean don't people use lye to make soap???? I thought in the olden days before bleach came out people used soda ash to whiten clothes and make them bright?

It's biodegradable I believe, when it comes into contact with streams but I wouldn't want something like that in my hair.

This requires more research.

Time to hit Google and Wikipedia.
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I thought it sounded fishy, but that's the problem when people are out to make money on other people's insecurities.

I told her if she wants to straighten her hair all she had to do was flatiron it atleast she can always change it back...
The ash is a natural lye, its basically sodium hydroxide but from a natural source. Polaris is right on the money....and OP, you are right that a chemical is necessary to permanently break the protein and disulfide bonds and straighten the hair.
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Also purified "alkaline" water refers to water that has a basic pH...aka sodium hydroxide or lye. It seems like they're using the same harsh ingredients that are in all chemical relaxers except that they add oil and obtian the reagents from "natural" or "purified sources.
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What I dont understand is purified alkaline water? Water naturally has alkaline or ph in it. I know Fiji bottled water has percentage of alkaline in it. So to those people who drink Fiji brand water which has alkaline in it why cant you put it in your hair?
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What I dont understand is purified alkaline water? Water naturally has alkaline or ph in it. I know Fiji bottled water has percentage of alkaline in it. So to those people who drink Fiji brand water which has alkaline in it why cant you put it in your hair?
Originally Posted by MissCurly
alkaline refers to the pH of the water - it's a water property rather than something that is put in the water - the pH of water is always either acid, alkaline or neutral

pH less than 7 is acid, greater than 7 is alkaline
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Purified Alkaline Water, 100% Natural Soda Ash

these 2 are very suspicious -- alkaline, ash -- my mind is saying -- lye?
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Thanks maripose but it still doesnt make sense as to why people assume alkaline means lye. We dont drink lye when we drink water and water naturally has ph or alkaline in it? Maybe it is the percentage of alkaline or acid that turns it into a harsh chemical
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I thought water had a neutral ph (of zero or...) ?

But, not positive on the number, but I remember that, what ever the lowest possible PH is, that is what water is.

But, Hard water and softwater read differently on those strip thingys.
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I believe pure h2o has a neutral ph (7), but water can be ionized in either direction, or have minerals added to it that will slightly modify the ph. Lye is extremely caustic (ph around 13), but I am sure "alkalized" water is more like 7.4 Back in the day (and maybe still?) lye was made from potash -- the ash in this "natural" relaxer is probably a form of lye derived from natural sources. (Any of this info in verifiable on wikipedia). HTH.
Pure water has a pH of 7

Anything that's a 7 is neutral on the hydrogen ionic concentration scale.

Anything less than 7 is acidic.

Anything greater than 7 is basic.

Hydrochloric acid (HCl) has a pH of 1 = extremely dangerous to skin,bone etc.

Sodium hydroxide (NaOH) has a pH of 14 = extremely dangerous to skin, bone etc.

Basically the closer to 1 you approach, the acidity goes up by a factor of 1000. The closer to 14 you approach, the basicity of a chemical increases by 1000. (It has been awhile since I took chemistry, so don't quote me on the factor of 10 and the pH scale).

Lye is pretty strong base. Anything from the periodic table of elements from the Groups IA and IIA that mixes with hydroxide (OH) forms pretty caustic bases (K = potassium, Li = lithium, Ca = calcium, etc.) Again, it's been awhile that I took chemistry, but I do believe that any element in the same group has the same chemical properties, so basically since sodium, potassium, lithium, etc. are in the same group, they have the same chemical properties if combined with hydroxide.

Soda ash is lye from nature and not cooked up in a laboratory. I do believe it's biodegradable in streams, lakes, rivers and etc. but it's still lye all the same. So when you put it in hair products, you will get straightened hair, no matter how companies try to spin it.
Preach Polaris! Lye is lye no matter how flowery the description. If it sounds too good to be true, then most likely it is. There's nothing "non-chemical" about permanently straightening hair.
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Thanks maripose but it still doesnt make sense as to why people assume alkaline means lye. We dont drink lye when we drink water and water naturally has ph or alkaline in it? Maybe it is the percentage of alkaline or acid that turns it into a harsh chemical
Originally Posted by MissCurly
hi miss curly

sorry i didn't reply earlier

i think the issue is that alkaline water is needed for lye to work -
usually hair products use distilled and ph neutral water..... the only reason to use slightly acid water would be for clarifying (e.g. acv rinse)

i'm not sure that i explained properly before but when i meant that pH is a property of the water - it's just a way of describing the water - like the temperature i.e. saying whether water is cold or hot

slightly alkaline or acid water would not be harmful to drink..... the key is in the other ingredients

so they are concealing the presence of lye by listing it as ash and alkaline water....... otherwise the label would read water, lye.....

i think what the poster meant was that when you see that alkaline water has been added to a hair product pay attention to the other ingredients! because it may be needed for a particular reaction..... in this case we have a thinly disguised "natural" lye relaxer
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It seems Rio like to me, but I don't know. Last time we had a natural alternative to chemical relaxers people went bald and hair turned green, and a company got sued, and later shut down. I remember the infomercials making it seem so safe you could eat it.

I am just weary of stuff like that you know?
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