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If she's happy with her results, that's positive, but as someone who was natural for 4 years, then texturized for one, now over 2 years from transitioning back to natural hair, I can say that it is likely that her styling will not be as easy as one may think.

My texturized hair was ok the first month then got incredibly dry and matted, even with the whole protein moisture balance with dc's and treatments. I used a very mild relaxer for color treated hair, left on for 10 minutes over hair that was heavily coated with tons of Vaseline and olive oil, and it still changed dramatically.

My curl pattern was all curls mixed with stringy pieces, wash n gos were impossible after the first month and my natural hair started growing back in. I lived in braid outs to get a somewhat decent looking style.

Saying all that, I know everyone's hair is different, but a texturizer can be very high maintenance and cause incredible dryness even with the best precautions. I wish I would have waited, and put my hair in a bun for awhile outta my face instead of going the chemical route. There are ton of ways to stretch the hair, and keep it that was by preserving at night. Just wanted to give my texturizer experience, I hope everything works out for your friend.


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Yea... This maybe wasn't a friendly thing to do. Her hair may look the same to you but give it a good 3 months before the roots start snapping and breaking and the ends are visibly thin. By the way getting a texturizer didnt help me love my natural hair, I had to transition from that for a year and I only have myself to blame. I would be pretty salty if a friend had done that to me... Maybe not even want to talk to them.
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Actually, it was a relaxer being used as a texturizer.

In a nutshell, a co-worker, whose hair is natural shrinks at least up to 75% of its length, was ready to relax her shoulder length hair that same evening because of the shrinkage. After much discussion, I convinced her to get a texturizer and that I could apply it.

Before I did, I read the section in Lonnice Bonner's book, Good Hair, to make sure I did it correctly. I bought a relaxer and placed it on her hair. I talked to her while we waited, for about 20 minutes altogether (from applying-7 minutes to waiting). I think her hair may be low-porosity.

After shampooing and DC, her hair looked less frizzy and her curls (4b-4c--I still think it's curly!) were elongated. But, it still looked the same. A leave-in styling cream was placed on it, and after it was dry, her hair looked natural with elongation (wash-n-go).

Hopefully, as her hair grows the weight will lengthen her hair. It's interesting though: her hair grows quickly at slightly more than 1/2 inch per month and shrinks about 75-85% of its length. My hair grows slowly (less than 1/2 inch/month) and shrinks about 50% of its length.

I felt funny about doing it. But I looked at it as a transition because once she understood about hair length and the weight of the hair as it gets longer, she seemed to accept her natural hair. Perhaps she's on the road to being truly natural.

What are your thoughts?
Originally Posted by Greatcurls
I'm going to echo some of the earlier comments and say I'm confused by this thread. I don't see how this is a transition for your coworker because now her hair is all chemically treated. And I also don't think this can really possibly serve as a lesson about increased weight with increased length because, her hair length hasn't increased, it's just hanging longer. I don't see how she can accept her natural hair through this experience because she's no longer natural, she's texlaxed.

Also, you said her hair grows faster than average and it was only shoulder length when you relaxed it. I'm not sure if you meant shoulder length when stretched or shrunken, but if you meant stretched, I'm even more bothered by the fact that you relaxed it. That just shows that she hasn't been fully natural very long to begin with (I'm guessing somewhere around a year or so with her fast growth). If you wanted her to learn that length/weight comes with time, she should have actually put that time in. Impatience has caused many a natural to go back to the creamy crack and I feel like you enabled her to do so.

I get that shrinkage is a b*tch but it's part of the game. If that's not something your coworker is willing to deal with, maybe natural hair isn't for her at all. But I think you may be in slight denial if you think her chemically altered hair will have any correlation to, and therefore help her love, her completely virgin hair.

I hope this didn't come across mean or anything. Just sharing my thoughts.




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I'm going to echo some of the earlier comments and say I'm confused by this thread. I don't see how this is a transition for your coworker because now her hair is all chemically treated. And I also don't think this can really possibly serve as a lesson about increased weight with increased length because, her hair length hasn't increased, it's just hanging longer. I don't see how she can accept her natural hair through this experience because she's no longer natural, she's texlaxed.

Also, you said her hair grows faster than average and it was only shoulder length when you relaxed it. I'm not sure if you meant shoulder length when stretched or shrunken, but if you meant stretched, I'm even more bothered by the fact that you relaxed it. That just shows that she hasn't been fully natural very long to begin with (I'm guessing somewhere around a year or so with her fast growth). If you wanted her to learn that length/weight comes with time, she should have actually put that time in. Impatience has caused many a natural to go back to the creamy crack and I feel like you enabled her to do so.

I get that shrinkage is a b*tch but it's part of the game. If that's not something your coworker is willing to deal with, maybe natural hair isn't for her at all. But I think you may be in slight denial if you think her chemically altered hair will have any correlation to, and therefore help her love, her completely virgin hair.

I hope this didn't come across mean or anything. Just sharing my thoughts.
Originally Posted by QtBoutique
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I agree with Cerendipity. Nothing about this was trollish. I mean honestly....


....and I get what the OP is saying in essence. Not everyone is "okay" with their natural hair due to various factors. Some might not want it to be kinky, some may not want it to shrink. Yes, her hair is technically chemically treated now but the appearance of her hair is still the same. It sounds like the OP is hopeful that maybe this will put her a tiny step forward in accepting and understanding her hair texture and hair pattern. I know a woman who had to consistenyl wear natural hair looking weaves and wigs that resembled her natural hair before she was "okay" with going natural. I know people who had to transition to relaxing to texlaxing slowly but surely before going ahead and going natural.


Id honestly rather this woman have texlaxed hair, that makes her feel confident and that still resembles her natural hair pattern with only slight elongation, than her turning around and getting her hair relaxed completely. OR her being and staying completely natural, but because she doesn't understand her hair pattern ends up hating it because of the shrinkage and have low self esteem.This woman could have very well been on the brink of the latter but the former may make her still accepting of at least liking her hair pattern and possibly try being natural (happily) again. Also, personally, I find transitioning from texurized hair much more simple, than transitioning from relaxed hair...but that's another story.


Not everyones hair journey is the same, and one thing I've learned over the years is just because someone elses journey isnt your own or you dont understand it doesn't make it cool to discredit it. I ended up accepting and loving my natural hair only AFTER I pressed the crap out of it. I suppose the OP just innocently wanted thoughts and opinions.....without her post being called trollish.
I agree with Cerendipity. Nothing about this was trollish. I mean honestly....


....and I get what the OP is saying in essence. Not everyone is "okay" with their natural hair due to various factors. Some might not want it to be kinky, some may not want it to shrink. Yes, her hair is technically chemically treated now but the appearance of her hair is still the same. It sounds like the OP is hopeful that maybe this will put her a tiny step forward in accepting and understanding her hair texture and hair pattern. I know a woman who had to consistenyl wear natural hair looking weaves and wigs that resembled her natural hair before she was "okay" with going natural. I know people who had to transition to relaxing to texlaxing slowly but surely before going ahead and going natural.


Id honestly rather this woman have texlaxed hair, that makes her feel confident and that still resembles her natural hair pattern with only slight elongation, than her turning around and getting her hair relaxed completely. OR her being and staying completely natural, but because she doesn't understand her hair pattern ends up hating it because of the shrinkage and have low self esteem.This woman could have very well been on the brink of the latter but the former may make her still accepting of at least liking her hair pattern and possibly try being natural (happily) again. Also, personally, I find transitioning from texurized hair much more simple, than transitioning from relaxed hair...but that's another story.


Not everyones hair journey is the same, and one thing I've learned over the years is just because someone elses journey isnt your own or you dont understand it doesn't make it cool to discredit it. I ended up accepting and loving my natural hair only AFTER I pressed the crap out of it. I suppose the OP just innocently wanted thoughts and opinions.....without her post being called trollish.
Originally Posted by Lovemenappy
Everyone here considers someone a troll if they make a comment or thread that is usually against popular opinion here.

Anyway, I agree with you and I understand what the OP meant. Texturizing my hair DID make me love my hair because I realized that although my hair was chemically treated, it looked exactly the same with a little less shrinkage. In return, I learned to love my hair and did another BC because my hair eventually ended up damaged (not due to the texturizer, but for other reasons). But texturizing did make me realize that I loved and appreciated my hair when I did not before. If it takes someone two, three, four or seven BCs to get to that point, then who cares?

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Everyone here considers someone a troll if they make a comment or thread that is usually against popular opinion here.
Originally Posted by sleepymeko

Is there a reason why you are speaking for Everyone on the board? As I recall one person made a comment about "trollish" and everyone else disagreed. I won't speak for everyone but I initially told the OP that I didn't understand her post and asked her to clarify. Then I told her I thought the woman might dislike her natural hair as the texturizer grew out because for many people including myself dealing with two textures is overwhelmingly difficult and perhaps she may be happier staying texlaxed. If she likes it, I love it.
the OP asked for opinions so I don't think she expected everyone to form a chorus of agreement. CT is full of different people from different backgrounds with different personalities, different ways of expressing themselves and opinions. I for one enjoy and appreciate that. I think making sweeping generalizations that everyone is a certain way is judgemental which is what you're accusing the board members of being. I get the impression from a couple of your posts that you're carrying a grudge. I'm not sure what it is about but if you want to talk about it I suggest you go ahead and get it out.
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Last edited by adthomas; 06-23-2012 at 12:26 PM.
so far i've only seen one person call OP a troll, and maybe two ppl take issue with getting the texturizer at all. most ppl, including myself just didn't understand the logic behind OP's theory.

everyone talks about how mean 4a posters are, but it seems like ppl just like to roll up in here, put words in folks' mouths, and then act all shocked and sad when they get called out.

one person =/= everyone.
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so far i've only seen one person call OP a troll, and maybe two ppl take issue with getting the texturizer at all. most ppl, including myself just didn't understand the logic behind OP's theory.

everyone talks about how mean 4a posters are, but it seems like ppl just like to roll up in here, put words in folks' mouths, and then act all shocked and sad when they get called out.

one person =/= everyone.
Originally Posted by Keenylicious
ITA.
I for one just didn't get the logic of the OPs post and I still don't. No need for anyone to create trouble where there isn't any.
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I'm going to echo some of the earlier comments and say I'm confused by this thread. I don't see how this is a transition for your coworker because now her hair is all chemically treated. And I also don't think this can really possibly serve as a lesson about increased weight with increased length because, her hair length hasn't increased, it's just hanging longer. I don't see how she can accept her natural hair through this experience because she's no longer natural, she's texlaxed.

Also, you said her hair grows faster than average and it was only shoulder length when you relaxed it. I'm not sure if you meant shoulder length when stretched or shrunken, but if you meant stretched, I'm even more bothered by the fact that you relaxed it. That just shows that she hasn't been fully natural very long to begin with (I'm guessing somewhere around a year or so with her fast growth). If you wanted her to learn that length/weight comes with time, she should have actually put that time in. Impatience has caused many a natural to go back to the creamy crack and I feel like you enabled her to do so.

I get that shrinkage is a b*tch but it's part of the game. If that's not something your coworker is willing to deal with, maybe natural hair isn't for her at all. But I think you may be in slight denial if you think her chemically altered hair will have any correlation to, and therefore help her love, her completely virgin hair.

I hope this didn't come across mean or anything. Just sharing my thoughts.
Originally Posted by QtBoutique
Gotta say, I agree with all this.

Re-reading the OP, there was no mention that the co-worker doesn't like her hair texture/curl pattern or its appearance. It sounds like she didn't like the way her hair acted. The fact that the hair still looks almost the same with the texlaxer seems irrelevant to me, because you will have changed the way her hair acts.

So now she will get used to her treated hair and when her shrinkage prone natural hair grows back in, the same old problems will be there (problems she won't have learnt to deal with).
Either that, or she is going to wait until her hair grows 'x' long where she will have to hope that the weight of it will defeat shrinkage and make it act the way her texlaxed hair acts, even though 'x'-long might need to be, what, mid-back length?
Also, she now has the new issue of two textures to deal with (and trust me, even if they look the 'same' they will not be) and possibly the dryness/porosity issues chemical treatments tend to bring.

I kinda get your theory and your happiness at saving her from the relaxer, and I'm happy that she's happy with the results so far, but someone who after one year (or whatever) of being natural is so frustrated by her hair that she was about to relax doesn't sound like someone who is going to be a long-term transitioner.
I would have discussed anti-humectants, methods to keep hair stretched at night and the pros/cons of regularly wearing extensions since I would not put on someone's head what I wouldn't put on mine, but I guess everyone's different.
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Plus, I got issues with following Lonnice's "instructions" on texlaxing...20 minutes on, and rinse off.

I'm not licensed and I know that texlaxing ain't necessarily that simple. If you have different textures on one head (which is very common), using the "20 minute rule" all over the head is going to yield "interesting" results. Heck, a lot of pros can't get it right, because to do it "right" is more involved, and takes more time and care than the average stylist is going to want to invest. That woman's hair could have been destroyed, and then what?

Finally, no one is "discrediting" anyone's journey. But some of the reasoning behind the decision was/is questionable, and definitely worthy of discussion, if the OP wanted to put it out there.

I don't care what anyone does to their hair, nor do I care about the reasons behind what they do...not in a "I'm concerned" kind of way.

But I agree with the other posters that people don't get that nappy/kinky/coily hair has a learning curve (sometimes steep), and you have to dig your heals in and work it out, or you probably won't be in the game for long...and that's fine too.
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The colleague I gave the texturizer to is not having any problems with her hair. She's taking care of it by keeping it moisturized and keeping her scalp clean. She cowashes one week and the next week she shampoos. She also sleeps with a satin cap or on a satin pillowcase. Once in a while she says she wears protective styles such as twists/braids, or buns. She has not straightened her hair in any way; in fact, she hasn't used any kind of heat on her hair, even for deep conditioning.

Her hair looks healthy and feels soft. It is growing as well-almost half an inch since June.

She's out of the country for business, so I won't see her for about two weeks. Before she left, we talked about hard water and how she should take care of her hair while overseas.

Overall, she seems to be doing well with her hair. She also revealed something to me: for the first time, she's not taking a wig on a business trip. She feels that confident about her "natural" hair.

I'm looking forward to talking with her when she returns...
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That is great for her!! Do you know if she is planning to get a retouch or grow it out?
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The colleague I gave the texturizer to is not having any problems with her hair. She's taking care of it by keeping it moisturized and keeping her scalp clean. She cowashes one week and the next week she shampoos. She also sleeps with a satin cap or on a satin pillowcase. Once in a while she says she wears protective styles such as twists/braids, or buns. She has not straightened her hair in any way; in fact, she hasn't used any kind of heat on her hair, even for deep conditioning.

Her hair looks healthy and feels soft. It is growing as well-almost half an inch since June.

She's out of the country for business, so I won't see her for about two weeks. Before she left, we talked about hard water and how she should take care of her hair while overseas.

Overall, she seems to be doing well with her hair. She also revealed something to me: for the first time, she's not taking a wig on a business trip. She feels that confident about her "natural" hair.

I'm looking forward to talking with her when she returns...
Originally Posted by Greatcurls
I'd be very worried if she was having problems 6 weeks in! But do keep us posted.
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There are texturized and relaxed people with hair that's healthy and long. I think OP was just sharing her story and I don't see it as trolling ( don't trolls usually try to start drama?). OP I feel like you gave her a healthier alternative to relaxing completely + you made sure you did it right.
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Or should I say op tried to do it right. Idk. Is the woman happy with her hair now?
I have done the texlaxing.....loved it for about a year and a half... Until my ends were so straight I had to cut my hair off and start again. Patience can't be gained any other way than waiting....it truly is a virtue. Texlaxing can be misleading......however, I soon learned that it too is a relaxer. There is no way around being patient. All the time she gained was lost for a weak moment. I would hope that in a weak moment I'd have friends that would get me through it..... Of course, you think this was the best way to help your friend but we are all learning. One day you may fully understand the implications of it all. I'm just so glad that I'm old enough to know that patience is learned over time......NO shortcuts.... Not for anyone..
I have done the texlaxing.....loved it for about a year and a half... Until my ends were so straight I had to cut my hair off and start again. Patience can't be gained any other way than waiting....it truly is a virtue. Texlaxing can be misleading......however, I soon learned that it too is a relaxer. There is no way around being patient. All the time she gained was lost for a weak moment. I would hope that in a weak moment I'd have friends that would get me through it..... Of course, you think this was the best way to help your friend but we are all learning. One day you may fully understand the implications of it all. I'm just so glad that I'm old enough to know that patience is learned over time......NO shortcuts.... Not for anyone..
Originally Posted by CSI
After looking at YT videos, reading posts on NC and other forums, I have learned that relaxing, texlaxing, and texturizing can be synonymous:

Relaxing can mean that you straighten your hair or whatever desired hair type, depending on how long the product (lye or no-lye) is allowed to stay on your hair after you've combed it through your hair.

Texlaxing has a base of a natural oil or conditioner mixed with a lye or no-lye chemical product. The result can be straightened hair to a hair type similar to your natural hair, but less tangled with larger curls (or coils), depending if the product is combed through hair and how long it is allowed to stay on the hair.

Texturizing is a lye or no-lye chemical that can straighten your hair, have waves, or to have a hair type similar to your natural hair, but less tangled with larger curls (or coils), depending if the product is combed through hair and how long it is allowed to stay on the hair.

The way I view texturizing is what Lonnice Bonner says in her book, Good Hair: "Chemically texturized hair results when a mild relaxer product is combed through the hair and left on a few minutes so it can loosen but not straighten tightly curled coils.....The goal of texturizing is to achieve a slightly loosened kink or curl that isn't far removed from your virgin hair texture."--Page 98.

So, the closest current definition of texturizing would be texlaxing, except I used a mild relaxer and did not mix it with oils or a conditioner and I didn't use a comb. My colleague's hair resulted in the look described by Lonnice Bonner. The process took longer than expected, but the results were the same and satisfactory.

I mention this because as I thought that those reading my post had the same understanding of "texturizing" as I do. Special thanks to LovemeNappy who understood "the essence" of my post.
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Relaxers, texturizers, and texlaxing can by synonymous because they are synonymous. In the actual hair world (licensed cosmetologists--not kitchen 'ticians, authors, bloggers, posters and YT "gurus" who have never had a day a professional training) there is no such differentiation. A relaxer is meant to permanently relax the natural texture--not completely straighten. Mixing in buffers, time variations, and application can all vary but it doesn't change the fact that they're all a different (and unprofessional) names for a relaxer. It bothers me when people act like they're actually all different things. They're not.

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