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Greatcurls 06-17-2012 02:17 PM

I Gave a Texturizer to...
 
Actually, it was a relaxer being used as a texturizer.

In a nutshell, a co-worker, whose hair is natural shrinks at least up to 75% of its length, was ready to relax her shoulder length hair that same evening because of the shrinkage. After much discussion, I convinced her to get a texturizer and that I could apply it.

Before I did, I read the section in Lonnice Bonner's book, Good Hair, to make sure I did it correctly. I bought a relaxer and placed it on her hair. I talked to her while we waited, for about 20 minutes altogether (from applying-7 minutes to waiting). I think her hair may be low-porosity.

After shampooing and DC, her hair looked less frizzy and her curls (4b-4c--I still think it's curly!) were elongated. But, it still looked the same. A leave-in styling cream was placed on it, and after it was dry, her hair looked natural with elongation (wash-n-go).

Hopefully, as her hair grows the weight will lengthen her hair. It's interesting though: her hair grows quickly at slightly more than 1/2 inch per month and shrinks about 75-85% of its length. My hair grows slowly (less than 1/2 inch/month) and shrinks about 50% of its length.

I felt funny about doing it. But I looked at it as a transition because once she understood about hair length and the weight of the hair as it gets longer, she seemed to accept her natural hair. Perhaps she's on the road to being truly natural.

What are your thoughts?

knt1229 06-17-2012 06:19 PM

You left relaxer on her head for 20 minutes. Did I read that part right?

Not sure what you are really asking, but, if she or you wanted it to be straighter you should have used the back of a comb to smooth the hair after you applied the relaxer.

AmberBrown 06-17-2012 06:25 PM

No way would I apply a chemical to any part of another person's body. I don't need the melodrama if something happens to go wrong. I won't flatiron/hot comb anyone else's hair either. Blow drying is the most I'm willing to do as far as hair appliances go. Oh, I'll braid, twist and roller set, but you can't really mess those things up. My own mama once burned a section of my hair when flat ironing it for my 8th grade graduation. My 14 year old self was pizzed as heck at my own blood mother lol, if it had been some strange chick at the job? Couldn't have ended well lol. You're braver than me OP.

Those are my only thoughts.

lexielex 06-17-2012 07:12 PM

Wouldn't she have to transition again?

Greatcurls 06-17-2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by knt1229 (Post 1976185)
You left relaxer on her head for 20 minutes. Did I read that part right?

Not sure what you are really asking, but, if she or you wanted it to be straighter you should have used the back of a comb to smooth the hair after you applied the relaxer.

You're correct--the relaxer was on for a total of 20 minutes; this includes placing the relaxer on each section. Once the relaxer was on the entire head, that was approx. 12-13 minutes. That's why I wrote I think she may have low porosity because after the hair was shampooed and conditioned--it still basically looked the same.

I didn't use a comb when the relaxer was applied, so that's probably why her hair did not get straight. In fact, the purpose was not to get it straight or even wavy--just get elongation.

Greatcurls 06-17-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lexielex (Post 1976219)
Wouldn't she have to transition again?

Yes, she would but at least (I hope) she will have the length and like her hair completely natural. By that time, due to her fast hair growth, she will have waist length hair and not be bothered by the shrinkage as much as she does now with shoulder length hair.

Greatcurls 06-17-2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AmberBrown (Post 1976190)
No way would I apply a chemical to any part of another person's body. I don't need the melodrama if something happens to go wrong. I won't flatiron/hot comb anyone else's hair either. Blow drying is the most I'm willing to do as far as hair appliances go. Oh, I'll braid, twist and roller set, but you can't really mess those things up. My own mama once burned a section of my hair when flat ironing it for my 8th grade graduation. My 14 year old self was pizzed as heck at my own blood mother lol, if it had been some strange chick at the job? Couldn't have ended well lol. You're braver than me OP.

Those are my only thoughts.

I appreciate your thoughts, AmberBrown.

adthomas 06-17-2012 11:25 PM

Uh. I dont understand this story. Can you explain please? How is giving someone a relaxer a transition? And how does a relaxer make her accept her natural hair? As her hair grows she is more likely to dislike her natural hair because she will have two textures which is a HUGE challenge. and at the demarcation point it will be prone to breakage and tangling. Is she going to do retouches? Maybe she will just prefer texturized hair.

ttlolla 06-18-2012 12:46 AM

What is the OP talking about ? It makes no sense .

Keenylicious 06-18-2012 02:27 AM

so... you're saying you think she'll be happy with her new growth once it grows out b/c the texlaxed hair will be weighing it down?

i honestly don't see this plan working. for one, not everyone's hair gets weighed down w/ length. mine sure hasn't. what if it grows out and a few months from now it's a few ins of puffy, frizzy hair, and some elongated curls at the end? i would've ust let her do what she wanted in the first place.

Wumi 06-18-2012 02:33 AM

Yea... This maybe wasn't a friendly thing to do. Her hair may look the same to you but give it a good 3 months before the roots start snapping and breaking and the ends are visibly thin. By the way getting a texturizer didnt help me love my natural hair, I had to transition from that for a year and I only have myself to blame. I would be pretty salty if a friend had done that to me... Maybe not even want to talk to them.

HomeGrownHairGirl 06-18-2012 02:39 AM

I don't have any thoughts except: What is the point of this thread?

Lol, is it like to try shock people? Or is it a confession and repentance thing?:angel12:

It is quite trollish (IMO) :alien:

secret_karma 06-18-2012 03:45 AM

I think this is an april fools joke in june :)

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afrosheenqueen 06-18-2012 11:18 AM

Quote:

I felt funny about doing it. But I looked at it as a transition because once she understood about hair length and the weight of the hair as it gets longer, she seemed to accept her natural hair. Perhaps she's on the road to being truly natural.
I read this as that now that she's gone through tex-laxing and seeing her hair look basically the same that she appreciates her natural hair more? That it really didn't need fixing? Not sure...

Cerendipity 06-18-2012 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HomeGrownHairGirl (Post 1976402)
I don't have any thoughts except: What is the point of this thread?

Lol, is it like to try shock people? Or is it a confession and repentance thing?:angel12:

It is quite trollish (IMO) :alien:

I dont get that at all

I get she put a chemical on someone hair and now that it seems a little longer maybe the person will realize that with a little length they will be able to do more

but thats my take. I detect nothing trollish at all.


If someone asked me to put a chemical on their head I wouldnt do it because I dont know what Im doing , lol


Maybe this should have been in the other forum, ( cant think of the name ) but then again maybe the OP wanted to know some thoughts

Keenylicious 06-18-2012 01:07 PM

i don't think it's trollish either. i'm not sure what OP is asking for, though. it seems more like OP just wanted to share the story.

adthomas 06-18-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerendipity (Post 1976675)
I dont get that at all

I get she put a chemical on someone hair and now that it seems a little longer maybe the person will realize that with a little length they will be able to do more

but thats my take. I detect nothing trollish at all.


If someone asked me to put a chemical on their head I wouldnt do it because I dont know what Im doing , lol


Maybe this should have been in the other forum, ( cant think of the name ) but then again maybe the OP wanted to know some thoughts

If that is what she is saying then it still doesnt make sense to me. Like Keeny said length doesnt necessarily mean the lady is going to get a lot of weight to pull her chemical free hair down a least not any time soon. Im about four years in and i think im just getting to where i think if i were to let my hair dry unstretched I would still show decent length. Im willing to bet the lady if she gets that much shrinkage would have to grow her hair 4 times as long to get the same wash and go looking length she gets with texturizer which might add to her frustration. So no I dont think it will help her accept her natural hair. She may just end up someone who prefers texturizers.
My take. And i dont think it is a troll either.
Btw are texturizers supposed to be on for 20 min? That seems like a long time.

Amazinnatural 06-18-2012 02:51 PM

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Amazinnatural 06-18-2012 02:57 PM

I think the OP wanted to share her experience and get others view points. Personally i wouldn't have given another person any chemical process to help them "accept" their natural hair texture. Also i do not feel that the OP was being trollish at all.

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Greatcurls 06-18-2012 07:09 PM

Wow! After posting on NC for almost four years, I never thought I'd be called a troll!! (LOL!)

To clarify, she (the lady whose hair I texturized) has never texlaxed. (I asked her after reading the posts here) Her hair used to be relaxed about 16-18 months ago .

She hates the shrinkage and is impatient, so she blow dries her hair sometimes, bandS, etc. braid/twist to get length. Then when it rains, she sweats, 3rd day hair, or when it's humid, her hair shrinks and as she said, "all that work for nothing!"

When her hair is soaking wet, it is a little bit longer than when it's dry--and that's the look she wants now.

The idea of texturizering her hair came to me after I read Good Hair many years ago in which the author texturized her hair. She wrote: "Chemically texturized hair results when a mild relaxer product is combed through the hair and left on a few minutes so it can loosen but not straighten tightly curled coils.....The goal of texturizing is to achieve a slightly loosened kink or curl that isn't far removed from your virgin hair texture."--Page 98.

Her coils took almost 20 minutes to loosen, but then I used a mild relaxer (as recommended in the book, Good Hair) instead of super like she used use to relax her hair. That's why I wrote earlier that I think her hair may be low porosity. Also, it didn't seem coarse to me.

Overall, it turned out the way she wanted it--elongated. BTW, She understands what transitioning means since she did it with braids and blow drying until she cut off the last bit of relaxed hair.

We did talk about the pros and cons of texturized hair versus natural hair. She did agree to have more patience with her hair and this time, not use heat or banding. I did recommend hairstyles that was conducive to her hair type and shrinkage, and she seemed to like those ideas. (She wore one of those styles as of this post) They mostly include part corn row/flat twists with the rest of her hair out as well as using some scarves.

She still wants to do a WNG without the braids or twists, but now she's willing to wait until her her grows longer without using any kind of chemical.

I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks for your comments.


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