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Chi 07-29-2012 11:45 PM

Breakage: A Cry For Help
 
Its been exactly a month since I've been dealing with my hair (it's been in protective styles such as braids, weaves, etc. for years). I've tried to learn more about my hair and determined I have low porosity hair, its coarse and thick/dense. People often mistake shedding with breakage but I clearly have breakage considering there is no white bulb on the hair coming out of my head. I thought I might've been handling my hair roughly and got gentler. I undid a large twist in the back of my head the other day and just by trying to twist it back, a bunch of hairs started falling out. I don't know what amount is acceptable because breakage will almost always occur even in small amount with type 4 hair but I'm suspecting protein is the culprit? However I've been avoiding products that are high in protein for a few weeks prior to the incident the other day. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

p.s. I want to henna soon but with this breakage incident it might be smart to postpone it?

Rimi 07-30-2012 12:35 AM

What products do you use? Do you drink a lot of water? Does your hair feel dry? Do you experience an excessive amount of single strand knots and/or split ends?

Chi 07-30-2012 08:24 AM

I drink A LOT of water considering I don't drink juice or soda just water and tea. My hair needs a little heat to absorb oils and moisturizers because as said before I have low porosity hair. I don't recall it feeling dry and recently I decided to simplify my regimen. Wash every two weeks, and twist outs that I leave in for a week before I take them down. I use Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, some jojoba oil, and to wash I use Tea Tree & Peppermint conditioner. I think when I did cornrows on my hair last week it was a bit harsh, like it pulled my hair which may have caused the breakage

Rimi 07-30-2012 09:44 AM

The cornrows could definitely be the culprit. I would just lay off them for a while

Chi 07-30-2012 10:07 PM

Definitely will stay away lol

cocodej 07-31-2012 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2004299)
I drink A LOT of water considering I don't drink juice or soda just water and tea. My hair needs a little heat to absorb oils and moisturizers because as said before I have low porosity hair. I don't recall it feeling dry and recently I decided to simplify my regimen. Wash every two weeks, and twist outs that I leave in for a week before I take them down. I use Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, some jojoba oil, and to wash I use Tea Tree & Peppermint conditioner. I think when I did cornrows on my hair last week it was a bit harsh, like it pulled my hair which may have caused the breakage

Do you ever clarify your hair? Sometimes your conditioner will not penetrate as well if their is buildup. This site is also great.

adthomas 08-03-2012 11:57 AM

Could be the cornrows. Watch out for traction alopecia. Or buildup like Coco said. Do you wet your hair at all in between washings? Like cowash or spritz for moisture. My hair has a straight up fit if I go too long without water which in my case is two days.

Chi 08-03-2012 06:35 PM

Yes I desperately need to clarify. I decided to try shampooing every month which means basically now. If anyone has suggestions of good shampoos that won't dry my hair out, no sulfates or alcohol it'd be greatly appreciated. I wet my hair in between and spray it with Cantu Coconut Milk mist every few days

cocodej 08-11-2012 09:51 AM

I don't know how I missed this, sorry!!! :oops:

If you are only shampooing every month, then maybe you should consider using a sulfate shampoo, just to be sure that all of the buildup has been removed. Audrey Davis-Sivasothy's site has a page about which sulfates are harsher and picking the right shampoo. NC also has a page about what ingredients different detergents can remove.

I noticed the Cantu spray you are using contains a polyquat. Polyquats can also cause build up in between washes, here is a page about that. I tend to think the more film formers (silicones, polyquats, carbomers, etc.) one uses routinely, the greater the need for a weekly shampooing and deep conditioning regimen.

Last, if you have hard water, maybe you need a chelating shampoo instead of a clarifying shampoo. HTH

KinkyRN 08-13-2012 08:19 AM

First if you maybe protein sensitive stay clear of the shear moisture and cantu coconut. I am protein sensitive and it can be hard to find products. Have you tried Acv rinse? You may need to find a dermatologist if your problem persist. Hope that helps.

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Chi 08-17-2012 09:39 PM

First off I'd like to thank everyone for their advice and responses it is greatly appreciated. I guess I should post an update on my hair. Since this incident I've come to determine it was the conrows I did that were the culprit. I did it on wet hair, and I didn't moisturize well enough so when I was taking them out a few days later I noticed portions of my hair were brittle and cornrows add stress or tension to my hair so everything together caused my hair to break. I've also looked at the hair that ends up on my wide toothed comb. Most of them have white bulbs so I'm probably being paranoid sometimes about breakage. As mentioned before I have low porosity hair so getting my hair to accept moisture is challenging without using a heating cap (I'm considering using an alkaline based product such as mixing water and baking soda). Preventing build up is also another issue. I don't really know the difference between having build up or my hair just being plain moisturized since I'm just starting to deal with my hair on a daily basis. I'm assuming if I run my hands through my hair and there is a shiny residue from product I need to clarify. I'm going to try shampooing with a sulfate free shampoo every 2 weeks and conditioning every week. I do not know (being that I have low porosity hair) how sensitive my hair is to proteins but I'm trying to research, get a new product, see how my hair reacts and move on if its not working until I find whats right for it.

P.S. My hair has been getting thicker as opposed to longer. Should I consider this as progress?

cocodej 08-20-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2016724)
As mentioned before I have low porosity hair so getting my hair to accept moisture is challenging without using a heating cap (I'm considering using an alkaline based product such as mixing water and baking soda).

One of the ladies in 4a with lp hair (Was that you adthomas?) allows her hair to dry or partially dry after rinsing out the DC or instant conditioner to ensure her moisturizer really absorbs. Maybe this would also help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2016724)
I'm assuming if I run my hands through my hair and there is a shiny residue from product I need to clarify.

Not necessarily, some of my best moisturizers (without cones or polyquats) do this and I can still apply more of them or another product and have it penetrate. I think when products no longer perform like they used to, consider clarifying.

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Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2016724)
P.S. My hair has been getting thicker as opposed to longer. Should I consider this as progress?

What do you mean? As in you are not retaining length, but you have more strands on your head, more dense? What part in your routine did you notice this? I ask because type 4 hair will appear more dense during the shampoo and condition phase bc hair is free to curl tightly to the scalp, so length is hidden while density appears to have increased.

Good to hear that you are making progress in pinning down a routine!

adthomas 08-20-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cocodej (Post 2017754)
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Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2016724)
As mentioned before I have low porosity hair so getting my hair to accept moisture is challenging without using a heating cap (I'm considering using an alkaline based product such as mixing water and baking soda).

One of the ladies in 4a with lp hair (Was that you adthomas?) allows her hair to dry or partially dry after rinsing out the DC or instant conditioner to ensure her moisturizer really absorbs. Maybe this would also help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2016724)
I'm assuming if I run my hands through my hair and there is a shiny residue from product I need to clarify.

Not necessarily, some of my best moisturizers (without cones or polyquats) do this and I can still apply more of them or another product and have it penetrate. I think when products no longer perform like they used to, consider clarifying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2016724)
P.S. My hair has been getting thicker as opposed to longer. Should I consider this as progress?

What do you mean? As in you are not retaining length, but you have more strands on your head, more dense? What part in your routine did you notice this? I ask because type 4 hair will appear more dense during the shampoo and condition phase bc hair is free to curl tightly to the scalp, so length is hidden while density appears to have increased.

Good to hear that you are making progress in pinning down a routine!

Yes. I blot my hair with a microfiber towel before I apply my leave in. I get much better absorption that way.

Chi 08-28-2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2016724)
I'm assuming if I run my hands through my hair and there is a shiny residue from product I need to clarify.

Not necessarily, some of my best moisturizers (without cones or polyquats) do this and I can still apply more of them or another product and have it penetrate. I think when products no longer perform like they used to, consider clarifying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi (Post 2016724)
P.S. My hair has been getting thicker as opposed to longer. Should I consider this as progress?

What do you mean? As in you are not retaining length, but you have more strands on your head, more dense? What part in your routine did you notice this? I ask because type 4 hair will appear more dense during the shampoo and condition phase bc hair is free to curl tightly to the scalp, so length is hidden while density appears to have increased.

Good to hear that you are making progress in pinning down a routine![/QUOTE]


When I noticed my hair "appearing" as if it got thicker, it would be after I took them out of twists. When I first started taking care of my natural hair, the back of my hair was a little sunken and now its completely fluffed out, and I can not say its because I've stretched my hair better when doing twists, because I haven't changed how I do my them.

Secondly I had a great twist out from Cantu hair dressing pomade but I will have to give it up or use less because it's virtually greasy. I put a palm in my hair and its fully coated which I don't think is normal. My low porosity hair may not be taking the product, but just letting it sit on top of my strands.

Lastly, as of late I am not getting breakage so much in the bulk of my hair BUT I am trying to preserve my ends. I am paranoid they're breaking off.Every time I do twists, I've tried to moisturize them, and then seal with jojoba oil. This is stunting my length retention. :-(

quietstormRN 09-14-2012 12:56 AM

Have you trimmed in a while? I was thinking maybe you could use a little trim too to help you retain length...they may be splitting and thats why you arent retaining well.

Chi 09-18-2012 06:57 PM

I have considered trimming my ends. I also engage in finger detangling nowadays instead of using wide tooth combs. I shed way less hair and see less breakage. I love how each day I figure out what works and what doesn't through trying. I couldn't be more happy natural :)


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