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Old 08-26-2012, 11:44 AM   #41
 
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Sorry couldn't keep on writing after i put in the picture.
I also wanted to say that now when I use the new bottle my hair feels a bit dry and not as moisturized as it did before. I thought that myabe the fact that the olive oli is further down the list the cream is not as moisturizing as it used to be .

I dont know if this really makes a difference but i do know that my hair feels dryer now when i use the BBRC.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:44 AM   #42
 
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It performs the same for me. I have the new jar.


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Old 08-26-2012, 12:00 PM   #43
 
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I haven't experienced any changes in performance in the BRBC AOHC or HBTSG.

Im sorry that that was your experience though.


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Sorry couldn't keep on writing after i put in the picture.
I also wanted to say that now when I use the new bottle my hair feels a bit dry and not as moisturized as it did before. I thought that myabe the fact that the olive oli is further down the list the cream is not as moisturizing as it used to be .

I dont know if this really makes a difference but i do know that my hair feels dryer now when i use the BBRC.
Lactic acid is missing from the new jar, unless I missed it. That ingredient is excellent for highly porous hair. Maybe that's the problem.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:11 PM   #45
 
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Sorry couldn't keep on writing after i put in the picture.
I also wanted to say that now when I use the new bottle my hair feels a bit dry and not as moisturized as it did before. I thought that myabe the fact that the olive oli is further down the list the cream is not as moisturizing as it used to be .

I dont know if this really makes a difference but i do know that my hair feels dryer now when i use the BBRC.
Lactic acid is missing from the new jar, unless I missed it. That ingredient is excellent for highly porous hair. Maybe that's the problem.
Good catch on the lactic acid. I have an old jar and a new jar. It is on the old label but not on the new one.




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Old 08-26-2012, 01:38 PM   #46
 
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Sorry couldn't keep on writing after i put in the picture.
I also wanted to say that now when I use the new bottle my hair feels a bit dry and not as moisturized as it did before. I thought that myabe the fact that the olive oli is further down the list the cream is not as moisturizing as it used to be .

I dont know if this really makes a difference but i do know that my hair feels dryer now when i use the BBRC.
Lactic acid is missing from the new jar, unless I missed it. That ingredient is excellent for highly porous hair. Maybe that's the problem.
Wow!




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Old 08-26-2012, 01:50 PM   #47
 
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I'm becoming increasingly concerned about all this talk about changes in ingredients and consistencies. I've been patiently waiting to place a new QB order to include the BRBC because I finished an older jar months ago. I hope this new formulation will perform the same for me. I also love the AOHC for winter and Moringa Conditioning Ghee, good thing I haven't heard any negative comments about those.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:55 PM   #48
 
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@curvycurly

I am sure others will take it off your hands if it doesn't work for you, me being one of them.


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Old 08-26-2012, 02:29 PM   #49
 
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Sorry couldn't keep on writing after i put in the picture.
I also wanted to say that now when I use the new bottle my hair feels a bit dry and not as moisturized as it did before. I thought that myabe the fact that the olive oli is further down the list the cream is not as moisturizing as it used to be .

I dont know if this really makes a difference but i do know that my hair feels dryer now when i use the BBRC.
Lactic acid is missing from the new jar, unless I missed it. That ingredient is excellent for highly porous hair. Maybe that's the problem.
Thanks! Dont really know my prosity but that makes sence.
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:40 PM   #50
 
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I'm waiting for my detangling ghee from Sage. The last time I used it was 2 years ago. I'm nervous too about whether or not it will work for me. Fingers crossed.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:12 AM   #51
 
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*crack!* <--- that's the sound of my heart breaking.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:40 AM   #52
 
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It looks like to me that the "new" ingredient list for the hair cream (not the detangler) are just listed more accurately than before and are more in order with FDA good manufacturing guidelines. Which she would need to do to be in larger stores. Sorta like how Taaliah Waajids Mist Bodifier detangler went from just containing witch hazel and herbs to a myriad of other ingredients once she got in larger stores.

She's probably trying to expand into stores such as Earth Fare Whole Foods etc...a chain. That would explain the sudden cut down on ingredients...performance differences and packaging changes. Cetyl alcohol, in regard to the detangler, in my opinion makes a huge difference in performance even if the amount is lessened at just 1%. Its very effective in small percentages at what it does but I'm almost certain she would have had to have reduced the amount of this ingredient in particular in order for it to be able to be in a bottle. I understand though, bottles are generally cheaper than jars so if she's interested in mass production (the amount that Sage has wouldn't be that difficult to produce even by one person) it makes sense. I think it would have prob been a good idea to transition all the thick hair creams and detangler to MALIBU TUBES and got rid of the jars all together instead of changing formulation so they could pump through a bottle. That way she wouldn't have to invest in expensive jars....efficacy and performance would not be compromised for the customer, AND it would reduce potential contamination drastically. That's why its best to keep formulas simple if you ever intend to get bigger because when mass produuction starts you'll be spending a lot more. I think this is why Curls offered a cheaper alternative via Target. Mass productionn of products in a huge chain store is costly esp if you don't have investors. DB uses unique ingredients within every product she offers....I see this being a potential issue with her...if she tries to do mass production as well.

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Old 08-27-2012, 06:01 AM   #53
 
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I contacted Qhemet through LHCF. Here is her response:
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Hey Chica!

Thanks for approaching me directly. When questions are posed where I can't address them,
speculation ensues so I really appreciate this opportunity to respond.

I posted the following here on LHCF back in April.

"Hola!

For those who haven't visited Facebook or the website homepage, we rolled out the new
packaging on Friday. We'll be sticking with jars and bottles. Though we haven't changed the formulas, the new labels will bear updated ingredients lists for better FDA labeling compliance. The most noticeable modification is placing the botanicals at the top of the list as part of the "aqueous" (water) infusion instead of listing them separately further down the list..."

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/sho...postcount=2343

Changes in the disclosure and ordering (not the formulas) of some of the ingredients was
made on all of the labels. Another example is listing the actual EO's instead of the generic "essential oil fragrance."

The lactic acid in the Burdock Root BC acts as a pH modifier (not as a humectant) for one of the conditioners. It was never an ingredient that I added separately. It's a component of one of
the conditioners that's added by the manufacturer. It's still there (per the manufacturer) but because the amount is negligible, it's discolsure is no longer required. As was pointed out, the BRBC is the same.

We wouldn't change a formula to suit the packaging. Lotion pumps are capable of dispensing
very thick creams. Our Amla & Olive Heavy Cream and Burdock Root Butter Cream can be dispensed through lotion pumps as well. I've tried it. If you turn the Cocoa Tree DG upside down, it will not spill out. It's still stiff. It still contains the same % of water/cocoa butter, etc. It still detangles. I posted the following on the CTDG product page back in 2008 when it debuted in the jar as some batches were stiffer than others.

"This product has an initial consistency of a medium viscosity cream but will thicken into a stiff
solid cream over time. This is not indicative of a formula change and will not affect performance."
http://www.qhemetbiologics.com/Produ...oductCode=CTDG

This is not related to the packaging.

The scent change to the Moringa Tree was posted on the website 3/20/12. The decision to package the OHHB anf HTSG was the result of customer feedback via FB poll.

Regarding real formula changes, I will (not now but in the future) be swapping out an ingredient in our EWCT to make it more moisturizing. This will be posted on the product description page on the website when the change is made.

HTH.

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I think some may be missing the point. Yes the texture is different but PERFORMANCE has also been varied as well.

I've used this one specific product for a couple years religiously each wash day and have experienced different textures and SCENTS with the product still doing what I know it to do.

What I'm discussing now has nothing to do with texture or scent but PERFORMANCE. That is all I care about.

When my hair is still dry as a desert after using CTDG when it is normally nice and supple, that is a problem.

Hopefully you all will get where I'm coming from.
I get you, but what I don't get is Qhemet kind of brushing you off. It's like because you got good results with one batch that's all that mattered. I can understand slight differences from batch to batch...one batch might have a slightly stronger scent or a tad bit thicker, but they shouldn't ignore performance differences.
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I get you, but what I don't get is Qhemet kind of brushing you off. It's like because you got good results with one batch that's all that mattered. I can understand slight differences from batch to batch...one batch might have a slightly stronger scent or a tad bit thicker, but they shouldn't ignore performance differences.
you and me both. an all around disappointment. but whats done is done.
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I get you, but what I don't get is Qhemet kind of brushing you off. It's like because you got good results with one batch that's all that mattered. I can understand slight differences from batch to batch...one batch might have a slightly stronger scent or a tad bit thicker, but they shouldn't ignore performance differences.
you and me both. an all around disappointment. but whats done is done.
Why do you ask?


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I get you, but what I don't get is Qhemet kind of brushing you off. It's like because you got good results with one batch that's all that mattered. I can understand slight differences from batch to batch...one batch might have a slightly stronger scent or a tad bit thicker, but they shouldn't ignore performance differences.
you and me both. an all around disappointment. but whats done is done.
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Because I initially contacted her privately on LHCF as well and there was no response and I don't see this response in the sponsored thread on LHCF, unless I'm overlooking something.

Just wondering. You don't have to answer. #NoBiggie
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you and me both. an all around disappointment. but whats done is done.
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Because I initially contacted her privately on LHCF as well and there was no response and I don't see this response in the sponsored thread on LHCF, unless I'm overlooking something.

Just wondering. You don't have to answer. #NoBiggie
It was a pm on LHCF


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ok someone send me their CTDG in a bottle and I will test it for you

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