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Old 10-11-2012, 03:34 PM   #1
 
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Default Is my hair over-conditioned or do I need a protein treatment?

So, I stopped hot combing (flat ironing) my hair in the beginning of July and moved onto the curly girl method to help my curls recover from the amount of heat damage I got. I changed my regiment a few days ago but what I was doing co-washing every other day & braid outs. I would section my hair in half and do 4 braids on each side and dampen my scalp and ends with my conditioner mix (water, tresemme naturals, shea butter & evoo). When I pull a strand of hair, my hair doesn't bounce back, so could it mean my hair is over-conditioned or do could it mean i need a protein treatment because also when my hair is very wet it's still frizzy? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:03 PM   #2
 
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So, I stopped hot combing (flat ironing) my hair in the beginning of July and moved onto the curly girl method to help my curls recover from the amount of heat damage I got. I changed my regiment a few days ago but what I was doing co-washing every other day & braid outs. I would section my hair in half and do 4 braids on each side and dampen my scalp and ends with my conditioner mix (water, tresemme naturals, shea butter & evoo). When I pull a strand of hair, my hair doesn't bounce back, so could it mean my hair is over-conditioned or do could it mean i need a protein treatment because also when my hair is very wet it's still frizzy? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Does your hair feel limp or mushy? That is how I know when I'm oc. The last two weeks or so I have been cowashing every other day and hair loves it. I use a ro that has protein so oc has not been an issue for me. Also this could be the lingering effects of your heat damage if you didn't cut it off. Techniques like protein and going CG sometimes help get some of the curl back but severe heat damage is usually irreversible.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:31 PM   #3
 
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Does your hair feel limp or mushy? That is how I know when I'm oc. The last two weeks or so I have been cowashing every other day and hair loves it. I use a ro that has protein so oc has not been an issue for me. Also this could be the lingering effects of your heat damage if you didn't cut it off. Techniques like protein and going CG sometimes help get some of the curl back but severe heat damage is usually irreversible.
It doesn't feel mushy, its just really soft. I read some where that said sometimes if your hair is too soft it means you are over-conditioned.. but thanks for the advice! I'll see if I can get a protein conditioner on the weekend and see if that works
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Does your hair feel limp or mushy? That is how I know when I'm oc. The last two weeks or so I have been cowashing every other day and hair loves it. I use a ro that has protein so oc has not been an issue for me. Also this could be the lingering effects of your heat damage if you didn't cut it off. Techniques like protein and going CG sometimes help get some of the curl back but severe heat damage is usually irreversible.
It doesn't feel mushy, its just really soft. I read some where that said sometimes if your hair is too soft it means you are over-conditioned.. but thanks for the advice! I'll see if I can get a protein conditioner on the weekend and see if that works
My experiences with being oc is my hair is beyond being "soft". my hair is limp and lifeless to the extreme. That is why we describe it as mushy. Personally I think if your hair was very oc it would be super obvious with no doubt. Maybe your balance is just slightly off. Anyway, i hope the conditioner helps.
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OC is very limp and lifeless when dry. The 'mushy' factor is most noticeable when your hair is soaking wet. Scrunch it in the shower and it will feel sort of like wet seaweed. It's a bit difficult to describe, but you know it when you feel it.

Good luck. My hair is finicky about it's protein/moisture balance. It's frustrating.
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Hair type's a little different, but I think the advice probably still applies: OCd hair, hair with too much build-up of products on it, and protein-deficient hair have all (at times) led me to have the problem you're describing (especially loss of curl and what others describe as "mushiness".)

"Real" shampoo: I think CG has it's place, but after years of layering product and not using a sulfate-shampoo, it caused my hair to act really funky. Occasionally washing it with "real" shampoo, like Suave clarifying shampoo, often does the trick for me in one wash

There's another problem called hygral fatigue, which can cause hair to lose curl and can knock pH balance out of whack. Eventually hair is so weak it just breaks. This can happen if hair is being wet/washed too frequently. Main remedy is to wet/wash less frequently and use an oil as a pre-poo.

ACV rinses: I've found that an ACV rinse has been helpful for me in terms of restoring the hair's pH balance (good for most problems listed here), which can help restore healthy, springy curl pattern. But if overdone, it can be drying. Gosh, this is all such a balancing act sometimes.

Protein conditioners & treatments: Dying my hair (plus possible heat damage), has opened my cuticles and made my hair more porous, so my hair "craves" protein recently. I just used Joico K-pak today (can get at Sally's) to help. And just to warn folks: my damage was caused by some dye with peroxide that I just used - Clairol Natural Instincts brand semi-perm. color screwed up their formula (it was since recalled) and I was one of the lucky recipients that suffered the resulting hair-damage. (Please be careful anyone/everyone when purchasing color from that line!). Anyway, since your hair is limp, you might be right to try a protein conditioner, or even a protein deep conditioner. As with ACV rinses, protein can be drying if too much is used. Again, it's a balancing act.

Hope your beautiful curls return to their full glory soon
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Hair type's a little different, but I think the advice probably still applies: OCd hair, hair with too much build-up of products on it, and protein-deficient hair have all (at times) led me to have the problem you're describing (especially loss of curl and what others describe as "mushiness".)

"Real" shampoo: I think CG has it's place, but after years of layering product and not using a sulfate-shampoo, it caused my hair to act really funky. Occasionally washing it with "real" shampoo, like Suave clarifying shampoo, often does the trick for me in one wash

There's another problem called hygral fatigue, which can cause hair to lose curl and can knock pH balance out of whack. Eventually hair is so weak it just breaks. This can happen if hair is being wet/washed too frequently. Main remedy is to wet/wash less frequently and use an oil as a pre-poo.

ACV rinses: I've found that an ACV rinse has been helpful for me in terms of restoring the hair's pH balance (good for most problems listed here), which can help restore healthy, springy curl pattern. But if overdone, it can be drying. Gosh, this is all such a balancing act sometimes.

Protein conditioners & treatments: Dying my hair (plus possible heat damage), has opened my cuticles and made my hair more porous, so my hair "craves" protein recently. I just used Joico K-pak today (can get at Sally's) to help. And just to warn folks: my damage was caused by some dye with peroxide that I just used - Clairol Natural Instincts brand semi-perm. color screwed up their formula (it was since recalled) and I was one of the lucky recipients that suffered the resulting hair-damage. (Please be careful anyone/everyone when purchasing color from that line!). Anyway, since your hair is limp, you might be right to try a protein conditioner, or even a protein deep conditioner. As with ACV rinses, protein can be drying if too much is used. Again, it's a balancing act.

Hope your beautiful curls return to their full glory soon
Thank you so much for this information!
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