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reednaturally22 10-30-2012 05:05 AM

What's the fuss about glycerin?
 
Can anyone please clear the air for me on this ingredient? How is it in cold and warm weather? It seems like this is often a no-no for many naturals. I can't seem to figure out why. Everything I read just confuses me.

itsKelCeeEee 10-30-2012 06:31 AM

Dew points.
Some naturals use different products in their hair depending on dew points outside. One of them will explainit better because I don't pay attention to them nor do I use too much glycerin in my products anyway (coincidence). So I don't want to explain it wrong. But badically, the higher a dew point, the frizzier your hair gets when glycerin's used because it draws the moisture out the air to your hair.

...or the other way around...? O_o

multicultcurly 10-30-2012 07:54 AM

Glycerin is not good to use in extremely humid or dry weather. Glycerin draws the moisture to what is drier. Since I live in a desert, using products with lots of glycerin makes my hair dry and brittle because the glycerin takes away moisture from the hair and gives it to the drier air. Glycerin itself isn't bad; it depends on the climate and dew point.

lady1gryphon 10-30-2012 09:01 AM

Well for me avoid it all cost. I can't use any products with glycerin in it. It does not matter how small the ratio is or how far down on the ingredient list it appears. The product will make my hair hard and brittle. Glycerin always make my hair dry and hard. I tried it on wet hair, dry hair, homemade mixtures, heavy handed, light handed, low dew point, high dew points. It just does not work for me. I can put the product in my hair and it will look cute but once my hair dries it is a serious brillo pad. This was a hard lesson to learn because just about every product that is out there has glycerin in it. I could never figure out why my hair was so dry.

reednaturally22 10-30-2012 11:32 AM

So is glycerin basically a humectant?

redlipstick 10-30-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lady1gryphon (Post 2061184)
Well for me avoid it all cost. I can't use any products with glycerin in it. It does not matter how small the ratio is or how far down on the ingredient list it appears. The product will make my hair hard and brittle. Glycerin always make my hair dry and hard. I tried it on wet hair, dry hair, homemade mixtures, heavy handed, light handed, low dew point, high dew points. It just does not work for me. I can put the product in my hair and it will look cute but once my hair dries it is a serious brillo pad. This was a hard lesson to learn because just about every product that is out there has glycerin in it. I could never figure out why my hair was so dry.

+1 - my issue exactly.

artemis513 10-30-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by reednaturally22 (Post 2061281)
So is glycerin basically a humectant?

That's exactly what it is.

Further, the more porous your hair is the more that humectant use in the appropriate dew points will be relevant to your hair. Ultimately just try to keep your hair as moisturized as possible and monitor how your hair reacts to different ingredients in different dews. You'll then figure out how much concern you need to have re. dews and humectants. Everyone's hair is different, but paying attention to dew points can help choose the right products/ingredients if you find your hair is more sensitive.

reednaturally22 10-30-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by artemis513 (Post 2061323)
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Originally Posted by reednaturally22 (Post 2061281)
So is glycerin basically a humectant?

That's exactly what it is.

Further, the more porous your hair is the more that humectant use in the appropriate dew points will be relevant to your hair. Ultimately just try to keep your hair as moisturized as possible and monitor how your hair reacts to different ingredients in different dews. You'll then figure out how much concern you need to have re. dews and humectants. Everyone's hair is different, but paying attention to dew points can help choose the right products/ingredients if you find your hair is more sensitive.

I'm assuming KCCC has humectants as well and that's why my hair loved it in the summer. However, once cold weather hit I noticed my hair was drier in the crown and around the front of my face. Not a significant amount but enough for ME to notice.

artemis513 10-30-2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by reednaturally22 (Post 2061349)
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Originally Posted by artemis513 (Post 2061323)
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Originally Posted by reednaturally22 (Post 2061281)
So is glycerin basically a humectant?

That's exactly what it is.

Further, the more porous your hair is the more that humectant use in the appropriate dew points will be relevant to your hair. Ultimately just try to keep your hair as moisturized as possible and monitor how your hair reacts to different ingredients in different dews. You'll then figure out how much concern you need to have re. dews and humectants. Everyone's hair is different, but paying attention to dew points can help choose the right products/ingredients if you find your hair is more sensitive.

I'm assuming KCCC has humectants as well and that's why my hair loved it in the summer. However, once cold weather hit I noticed my hair was drier in the crown and around the front of my face. Not a significant amount but enough for ME to notice.

Yeah, it has agave nectar. I personally don't like to single out one ingredient as the cause of like or dislike of a product or the deciding factor on performance. But humectants in a higher concentration in a product being used in a climate where the dew is low will produce those kind of results. You can just seal with an anti-humectant to counteract the effect if you don't want to switch out your products.

reednaturally22 10-30-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by artemis513 (Post 2061573)
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Originally Posted by reednaturally22 (Post 2061349)
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Originally Posted by artemis513 (Post 2061323)

That's exactly what it is.

Further, the more porous your hair is the more that humectant use in the appropriate dew points will be relevant to your hair. Ultimately just try to keep your hair as moisturized as possible and monitor how your hair reacts to different ingredients in different dews. You'll then figure out how much concern you need to have re. dews and humectants. Everyone's hair is different, but paying attention to dew points can help choose the right products/ingredients if you find your hair is more sensitive.

I'm assuming KCCC has humectants as well and that's why my hair loved it in the summer. However, once cold weather hit I noticed my hair was drier in the crown and around the front of my face. Not a significant amount but enough for ME to notice.

Yeah, it has agave nectar. I personally don't like to single out one ingredient as the cause of like or dislike of a product or the deciding factor on performance. But humectants in a higher concentration in a product being used in a climate where the dew is low will produce those kind of results. You can just seal with an anti-humectant to counteract the effect if you don't want to switch out your products.

I never thought of that. Would you mind naming some on the ground anti-humectants for me?

Knotty_Maddy 10-30-2012 10:21 PM

you can also check which products don't have humectants - or do have them - using the left hand lower side of the product filter on the reviews page... :) just check the "anti-humectant" box and then enter your potential product you want to try in the search bar. If it is anti-humectant, it will appear as a search result...and when you click on the product to read the review on it, there will be several (or a few) icon boxes below the product, stating what is or isn't in it - just hover your mouse arrow over the boxes, and you will see a small text box describing the icon.

If you already know all that, then sorry to be obtuse ;p if you didn't know that, then maybe it will help you find your products :) hth!

reednaturally22 10-31-2012 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Knotty_Maddy (Post 2061672)
you can also check which products don't have humectants - or do have them - using the left hand lower side of the product filter on the reviews page... :) just check the "anti-humectant" box and then enter your potential product you want to try in the search bar. If it is anti-humectant, it will appear as a search result...and when you click on the product to read the review on it, there will be several (or a few) icon boxes below the product, stating what is or isn't in it - just hover your mouse arrow over the boxes, and you will see a small text box describing the icon.

If you already know all that, then sorry to be obtuse ;p if you didn't know that, then maybe it will help you find your products :) hth!

Thank you!!

Who Me? 11-02-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by multicultcurly (Post 2061150)
Glycerin is not good to use in extremely humid or dry weather. Glycerin draws the moisture to what is drier. Since I live in a desert, using products with lots of glycerin makes my hair dry and brittle because the glycerin takes away moisture from the hair and gives it to the drier air. Glycerin itself isn't bad; it depends on the climate and dew point.

I think this explains a lot! I just started another post and was about to ask about glycerin, and decided to do a search first instead. I was just reading through the ingredients of the Deva products I use, and they all have glycerin. That might explain why in the last month or so since the air has been so dry that my hair is a mess.

LISA LISA 11-02-2012 12:14 PM

Here's a question - does it only cause ill-effects when it is used as a leave-in?

I use straight glycerin regularly all year round - in the shower. After I get my CO wash condish distributed through my hair, I put a good palmful of glycerin in with it. I continue to CO for a few minutes, then rinse out. Then I follow with another round of just condish. My hair is nothing short of awesome. I do this once a week.

I honestly have never used it as a leave-in. Maybe that's the issue?

artemis513 11-02-2012 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by reednaturally22 (Post 2061647)
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Originally Posted by artemis513 (Post 2061573)
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Originally Posted by reednaturally22 (Post 2061349)

I'm assuming KCCC has humectants as well and that's why my hair loved it in the summer. However, once cold weather hit I noticed my hair was drier in the crown and around the front of my face. Not a significant amount but enough for ME to notice.

Yeah, it has agave nectar. I personally don't like to single out one ingredient as the cause of like or dislike of a product or the deciding factor on performance. But humectants in a higher concentration in a product being used in a climate where the dew is low will produce those kind of results. You can just seal with an anti-humectant to counteract the effect if you don't want to switch out your products.

I never thought of that. Would you mind naming some on the ground anti-humectants for me?

Anything that has occlusive ("sealants") ingredients in it (oils, butters, silicones, etc) is fair game. It's up to you.

gardencurls 11-02-2012 05:39 PM

Lots and lots of people disagree, so I'm not recommending this, but - during really low dew points (when the Frizz Forecast tells me my curls will be "limp"), I find products with...**Jaws theme here**...silicones, instead of glycerin, seem to really help keep my hair from drying out. "Dimethicone" (an anti-humectant) in some stylers and "Amodimethicone" in my cleanser are my guilty secrets. I don't use silicone combos, or, as far as I'm aware, any silicones other than these two. I think they help seal in moisture and give some weight to my hair, so I don't have to walk around looking like a Sim that got struck by a meteor. (Sims 3 fans get it)

I have super dry hair, and I color it, which increases dryness. During low dew points, my hair resembles the looped side of velcro, only it's not that soft. :goofy: It knots and tangles and quite often the only remedy is chopping out the knots. My favorite "cg approved" products don't always make the cut when it's dry season, and somehow my hair is both limp, and frizzy, and it feels like frayed burlap.

Oddly, protein, which can really mess up my hair, doesn't seem to be as much of an enemy during low dew points. After trial and error I decided what was really causing trouble was glycerin. It's all right in small levels, or in highly highly moisturizing products (like Coffee Coco Curl Cream applied heavily), but gels or creams that are glycerin-based definitely make my hair even drier.

Avoiding glycerin really seems to help, along with DTs at least once a week and using extra leave-in.

reednaturally22 11-02-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LISA LISA (Post 2063104)
Here's a question - does it only cause ill-effects when it is used as a leave-in?

I use straight glycerin regularly all year round - in the shower. After I get my CO wash condish distributed through my hair, I put a good palmful of glycerin in with it. I continue to CO for a few minutes, then rinse out. Then I follow with another round of just condish. My hair is nothing short of awesome. I do this once a week.

I honestly have never used it as a leave-in. Maybe that's the issue?

I'm not an expert on this obviously, since I posted the question. However i would think using it as a leave in would be the problem because more of it stays in your hair.

Knotty_Maddy 11-02-2012 05:58 PM

I live in a cold and dry climate, and my hair likes glycerin ;p I apply after leave in but before styling products, and seal hair with hard gel. Makes my beachy-curl S hair turn into corkscrew ringlets...I also have some glycerin in my hair products. It makes my hair behave, so I love it! (mind you, I am not doing CGM, so it might be the cones ;p )

So I guess your hair's personal likes and dislikes are more of a factor than the weather...? Not sure!

sewt15 11-02-2012 10:03 PM

I use straight glycerin all year round as a leave in, put it in my deep condish, and all my products have glycerin in it (coincidence) and my hair LOVES IT. My hair doesnt do too well with oils, especially straight oils, on my hair. Experiment and see what works for you.

reednaturally22 11-03-2012 06:02 AM

I just washed and styled my hair with my HG KCKT and KCCC. My hair is doing just fine so me and humectants must get along. 😊


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