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I realized lately that perhaps, as far as hair care goes, I have been doing too much. Do I really need to precondition and deep condition every wash session? Do I really need to do a midweek cleansing? Do I need to stock up on all of these products?

My hair since I began this journey has been very good about length retention, and my regimen has changed several times since it began. What has remained consistent, is finger detangling, gentle handling and remaining heat as well as color and relaxer free. What has changed over and over is how often I cleanse my hair, how often I moisturize my hair, whether or not and how often I do protein treatments, whether or not I do commercial henna glosses, and what products I use. I think I can draw the conclusion from these experiments finally, that homemade butters are the most effective cost effective option for me as far as sealants go. I have found the ideal cleanser so far, the rinse out conditioning step is unnecessary, and that my hair really does not need to be cleansed midweek if I am using an effective cleanser to begin with.

In other words,

I really don't need all of these products in my house and I probably have a stash that will last me all year long. I am a person that will eat at the same diner for years because the first time I went there I received good service and a good meal. I really don't need variety in my products, I just need things that work. Since I do not do wash and goes, I don't really need stylers. My regimen is pretty simple, maybe it is time to have that reflect in my products. Also what I love more than buying a product, is making and experiment with my own homemade mix. It gives me pleasure when I make a mix that works, also a new ingredient to introduce into my regimen is a lot cheaper than a whole new product with that ingredient listed. I say this to say my regimen has changed, my hair has changed and my viewpoint on products in general has changed and simplified. This year 2013, will be about streamlining what I do so that it works for my hair and my life.

So, I wonder is anyone else having similar feelings? What changes would you like to make this year, if any?
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Last edited by ricotdorothy; 01-05-2013 at 01:29 PM.
I want to include more homemade products to my regimen

For now the only thing i have made myself is my whipped sealant and my dcs. So far i am loving it, but i want to make my own conditioner too - just haven't found a pleasant recipe yet..


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Yeah, I thought maybe I was doing a bit too much for my hair last year. Instead of shampooing once a week, I've decided to do it once every two weeks and if I need to get rid of some build up I'll just use a cheapo conditioner to rinse it out.

I've started deep conditioning my hair a lot now (2x a week rather than once a week) and my hair probably thanks me for it.

I also buy a lot of products, and now that I'm starting to figure out what products work for me and what don't, I'll stop buying until I'm close to finishing up my stash. However, if I do run out of a product my hair likes I will repurchase it. I'm starting to get a little tired of trying new things now since I found my final HG product a week or so ago.
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Last Relaxer - March '11
BC - August '11

Fall/Winter PRODUCTS

Clarifier - Paul Mitchell Three Low-poos - BoBeam Conditioners - TJ Nourish Spa, CJRM!, Co-Wash - N/A, Leave-Ins - N/A, Moisturizers - Afroveda Coco Latte, QBCTDG, CR Moisture Butter, Sealants/Stylers - Any BASK butters and creams, Jane Carter N&S, QBATB
I want to include more homemade products to my regimen

For now the only thing i have made myself is my whipped sealant and my dcs. So far i am loving it, but i want to make my own conditioner too - just haven't found a pleasant recipe yet..


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Originally Posted by CurlyB_
I had that problem for the longest time too! Yeah, I have quite a bit of commercial conditioner left, but while I am finishing it I will develop a conditioner. I am thinking of using aloe juice, slippery elm, marshmallow root, and glycerin with a mix of oils as conditioner. It will be perishable so I will have to make it in small batches until I purchase a behentrimonium and cetearyl alcohol mix(emulsifier) as well as a phenoxyethanol and caprylyl glycol mix(preservative) that I have my eye on in Amazon. Then I can really get to work.
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Yeah, I thought maybe I was doing a bit too much for my hair last year. Instead of shampooing once a week, I've decided to do it once every two weeks and if I need to get rid of some build up I'll just use a cheapo conditioner to rinse it out.

I've started deep conditioning my hair a lot now (2x a week rather than once a week) and my hair probably thanks me for it.

I also buy a lot of products, and now that I'm starting to figure out what products work for me and what don't, I'll stop buying until I'm close to finishing up my stash. However, if I do run out of a product my hair likes I will repurchase it. I'm starting to get a little tired of trying new things now since I found my final HG product a week or so ago.
Originally Posted by curlyberry
To the bold, that is always awesome. I am not about to formulate my own shampoo, so I am happy I finally found the right one. I also noticed that you don't have leave ins listed in your HG list. I was similar in that as well and I think I will return to that. I honestly don't think my hair can tell the difference between a leave in and a moisturizer except that some leave ins are too light for my hair. My hair does not really like leave in conditioner as a moisturizer. The conditioner will moisturize my hair for one day maybe, while a moisturizer will go to work in sealing in the moisture for a whole week while keeping it detangled as well. I have realized there are entire categories of product usage that don't apply to me because of the nature of my hair and the styles that I prefer wearing.

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Last edited by ricotdorothy; 01-05-2013 at 01:44 PM.
I realized lately that perhaps, as far as hair care goes, I have been doing too much. Do I really need to precondition and deep condition every wash session? Do I really need to do a midweek cleansing? Do I need to stock up on all of these products?

My hair since I began this journey has been very good about length retention, and my regimen has changed several times since it began. What has remained consistent, is finger detangling, gentle handling and remaining heat as well as color and relaxer free. What has changed over and over is how often I cleanse my hair, how often I moisturize my hair, whether or not and how often I do protein treatments, whether or not I do commercial henna glosses, and what products I use. I think I can draw the conclusion from these experiments finally, that homemade butters are the most effective cost effective option for me as far as sealants go. I have found the ideal cleanser so far, the rinse out conditioning step is unnecessary, and that my hair really does not need to be cleansed midweek if I am using an effective cleanser to begin with.

In other words,

I really don't need all of these products in my house and I probably have a stash that will last me all year long. I am a person that will eat at the same diner for years because the first time I went there I received good service and a good meal. I really don't need variety in my products, I just need things that work. Since I do not do wash and goes, I don't really need stylers. My regimen is pretty simple, maybe it is time to have that reflect in my products. Also what I love more than buying a product, is making and experiment with my own homemade mix. It gives me pleasure when I make a mix that works, also a new ingredient to introduce into my regimen is a lot cheaper than a whole new product with that ingredient listed. I say this to say my regimen has changed, my hair has changed and my viewpoint on products in general has changed and simplified. This year 2013, will be about streamlining what I do so that it works for my hair and my life.

So, I wonder is anyone else having similar feelings? What changes would you like to make this year, if any?
Originally Posted by ricotdorothy
I do the stuff I find my hair gets upset if I don't do. Skipping a dc after a shampoo is no bueno. Going more than 3 days without washing my hair is a sahara desert. And not prepooing means more shampoo tangles.
I have a book that has a lot of recipes for homemade natural shampoos and conditioners. The author advices people to trash all commercial products. When i get home i will post the title and author.
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Yeah, I thought maybe I was doing a bit too much for my hair last year. Instead of shampooing once a week, I've decided to do it once every two weeks and if I need to get rid of some build up I'll just use a cheapo conditioner to rinse it out.

I've started deep conditioning my hair a lot now (2x a week rather than once a week) and my hair probably thanks me for it.

I also buy a lot of products, and now that I'm starting to figure out what products work for me and what don't, I'll stop buying until I'm close to finishing up my stash. However, if I do run out of a product my hair likes I will repurchase it. I'm starting to get a little tired of trying new things now since I found my final HG product a week or so ago.
Originally Posted by curlyberry
To the bold, that is always awesome. I am not about to formulate my own shampoo, so I am happy I finally found the right one. I also noticed that you don't have leave ins listed in your HG list. I was similar in that as well and I think I will return to that. I honestly don't think my hair can tell the difference between a leave in and a moisturizer except that some leave ins are too light for my hair. My hair does not really like leave in conditioner as a moisturizer. The conditioner will moisturize my hair for one day maybe, while a moisturizer will go to work in sealing in the moisture for a whole week while keeping it detangled as well. I have realized there are entire categories of product usage that don't apply to me because of the nature of my hair and the styles that I prefer wearing.
Originally Posted by ricotdorothy
SEE I WAS THINKING THAT THE OTHER DAY. Whenever I see a leave-in conditioner, I just go "Eeeeeh." because, to me, they do the same thing my moisturizers do. The leave-ins that are marketed as a detanglers are the ones I don't mind getting because my hair constantly gets tangled. But other than that, I don't really care for them.

The only styler I need is a butter. A thick butter. Right now, my one true love is the QBATB because that gives me definition, softens my hair, and gives me hold longer than any other butter I've used. It also doesn't sit on my hair like other butters have. Next to that is the Jane Carter N&S, but it's way too expensive so the winner goes to QB.
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Type 4, fine/high density, high porosity
Last Relaxer - March '11
BC - August '11

Fall/Winter PRODUCTS

Clarifier - Paul Mitchell Three Low-poos - BoBeam Conditioners - TJ Nourish Spa, CJRM!, Co-Wash - N/A, Leave-Ins - N/A, Moisturizers - Afroveda Coco Latte, QBCTDG, CR Moisture Butter, Sealants/Stylers - Any BASK butters and creams, Jane Carter N&S, QBATB
I agree with making your own products. But I WILL say, you can ALL send your unwanted products to me

How can I say goodbye P.L.G.
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I was going pretty hard at homemaking everything. But now that I know how, I'm letting products back in. I'm more selective now. Seeing how my hair responded when I eliminated certain ingredients has given me a nice guideline to follow in making my hair product purchases. And if the hair care industry collapses, I'll know how to make what I need.
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I was going pretty hard at homemaking everything. But now that I know how, I'm letting products back in. I'm more selective now. Seeing how my hair responded when I eliminated certain ingredients has given me a nice guideline to follow in making my hair product purchases. And if the hair care industry collapses, I'll know how to make what I need.
Originally Posted by MissKris
I totally agree. Everyone's hair is different so you cant always predict and know what it is in a product that is not agreeing with you. Making products at home teaches you to control for exactly what ingredients your hair loves, what it can do without, and most importantly what it despises. Also, there is no need to rely too heavily on one product, a holy grail, if that product is discontinued, if the business goes under, if the prices go up, if the customer service and wait time is unbearable etc. etc.

SL
~APL~BSB~BSL~MBL~
WL

You never stop learning...
I realized lately that perhaps, as far as hair care goes, I have been doing too much. Do I really need to precondition and deep condition every wash session? Do I really need to do a midweek cleansing? Do I need to stock up on all of these products?

My hair since I began this journey has been very good about length retention, and my regimen has changed several times since it began. What has remained consistent, is finger detangling, gentle handling and remaining heat as well as color and relaxer free. What has changed over and over is how often I cleanse my hair, how often I moisturize my hair, whether or not and how often I do protein treatments, whether or not I do commercial henna glosses, and what products I use. I think I can draw the conclusion from these experiments finally, that homemade butters are the most effective cost effective option for me as far as sealants go. I have found the ideal cleanser so far, the rinse out conditioning step is unnecessary, and that my hair really does not need to be cleansed midweek if I am using an effective cleanser to begin with.

In other words,

I really don't need all of these products in my house and I probably have a stash that will last me all year long. I am a person that will eat at the same diner for years because the first time I went there I received good service and a good meal. I really don't need variety in my products, I just need things that work. Since I do not do wash and goes, I don't really need stylers. My regimen is pretty simple, maybe it is time to have that reflect in my products. Also what I love more than buying a product, is making and experiment with my own homemade mix. It gives me pleasure when I make a mix that works, also a new ingredient to introduce into my regimen is a lot cheaper than a whole new product with that ingredient listed. I say this to say my regimen has changed, my hair has changed and my viewpoint on products in general has changed and simplified. This year 2013, will be about streamlining what I do so that it works for my hair and my life.

So, I wonder is anyone else having similar feelings? What changes would you like to make this year, if any?
Originally Posted by ricotdorothy
I do the stuff I find my hair gets upset if I don't do. Skipping a dc after a shampoo is no bueno. Going more than 3 days without washing my hair is a sahara desert. And not prepooing means more shampoo tangles.
I have a book that has a lot of recipes for homemade natural shampoos and conditioners. The author advices people to trash all commercial products. When i get home i will post the title and author.
Originally Posted by adthomas
You are right, listening to your hair is most important. I'm very curious to hear about this book by the way. Shampoos and conditioners have always eluded my mixing abilities.

SL
~APL~BSB~BSL~MBL~
WL

You never stop learning...
Yeah, I thought maybe I was doing a bit too much for my hair last year. Instead of shampooing once a week, I've decided to do it once every two weeks and if I need to get rid of some build up I'll just use a cheapo conditioner to rinse it out.

I've started deep conditioning my hair a lot now (2x a week rather than once a week) and my hair probably thanks me for it.

I also buy a lot of products, and now that I'm starting to figure out what products work for me and what don't, I'll stop buying until I'm close to finishing up my stash. However, if I do run out of a product my hair likes I will repurchase it. I'm starting to get a little tired of trying new things now since I found my final HG product a week or so ago.
Originally Posted by curlyberry
To the bold, that is always awesome. I am not about to formulate my own shampoo, so I am happy I finally found the right one. I also noticed that you don't have leave ins listed in your HG list. I was similar in that as well and I think I will return to that. I honestly don't think my hair can tell the difference between a leave in and a moisturizer except that some leave ins are too light for my hair. My hair does not really like leave in conditioner as a moisturizer. The conditioner will moisturize my hair for one day maybe, while a moisturizer will go to work in sealing in the moisture for a whole week while keeping it detangled as well. I have realized there are entire categories of product usage that don't apply to me because of the nature of my hair and the styles that I prefer wearing.
Originally Posted by ricotdorothy
SEE I WAS THINKING THAT THE OTHER DAY. Whenever I see a leave-in conditioner, I just go "Eeeeeh." because, to me, they do the same thing my moisturizers do. The leave-ins that are marketed as a detanglers are the ones I don't mind getting because my hair constantly gets tangled. But other than that, I don't really care for them.

The only styler I need is a butter. A thick butter. Right now, my one true love is the QBATB because that gives me definition, softens my hair, and gives me hold longer than any other butter I've used. It also doesn't sit on my hair like other butters have. Next to that is the Jane Carter N&S, but it's way too expensive so the winner goes to QB.
Originally Posted by curlyberry
Yeah, I love Qhemet Biologics in general. They are the next best thing to home mixing. I remember when I got lazy with mixing, I turned to that line and it did not let me down. I took down braids with the amla and olive heavy cream. It won a special place in my heart since that day, NOTHING but nothing worked as well when it came time to work out those tangles. I refuse to ever spring for the Nourish and Shine, 23 dollars for 8 ounces is just criminal, and I have every raw ingredient I would need to reverse engineer it anyway.

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WL

You never stop learning...
If any of you happen to make their own condish - I would love to see your recipes! I have NO idea where to start, and having some advice about measurements,techniques etc would be a biiiig help!!

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The book is called Grow Hair Fast: 7 steps to a new head of hair in 90 days. By Riquette Hofstein

Lots of recipes. Shampoo, gels, dyes. I haven't exactly tried a specific recipe although I have used many of the ingredients in the book.

Here is one for conditioner for dry hair. 3 tbs of rum. 1 egg yolk. Mix. Let sit 10 minutes then rinse with cool water. You can substitute rum with blackstrap molasses and let sit 20 minutes then cool rinse.
The book is called Grow Hair Fast: 7 steps to a new head of hair in 90 days. By Riquette Hofstein

Lots of recipes. Shampoo, gels, dyes. I haven't exactly tried a specific recipe although I have used many of the ingredients in the book.

Here is one for conditioner for dry hair. 3 tbs of rum. 1 egg yolk. Mix. Let sit 10 minutes then rinse with cool water. You can substitute rum with blackstrap molasses and let sit 20 minutes then cool rinse.
Originally Posted by adthomas
Wow, rum as a deep conditioner? Now that is fascinating!
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I too am trying to figure out what works with my hair. I'm trying to use natural ingredigents into my regiment too. After wearing a weave for entire year I decided to wear my hair natural. Im not even sure the exact day or month I went natural I just decided to stop relaxing. So that entire year I did nothing to my hair not even oil it on regular. Don't get me wrong I changed my weave about every 3-4 weeks and washed it then but didn't moisture it. I'm lucky it didn't fall out, lol. I do have some breakage though. I did cut alot off so I know there no relaxer left. I'm learning alot from this forum. You guys are so helpful. I also am finding out that natural products are so expense. Hopefully I will find something that works for my hair and is simply and does take all day to do.
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I too am trying to figure out what works with my hair. I'm trying to use natural ingredigents into my regiment too. After wearing a weave for entire year I decided to wear my hair natural. Im not even sure the exact day or month I went natural I just decided to stop relaxing. So that entire year I did nothing to my hair not even oil it on regular. Don't get me wrong I changed my weave about every 3-4 weeks and washed it then but didn't moisture it. I'm lucky it didn't fall out, lol. I do have some breakage though. I did cut alot off so I know there no relaxer left. I'm learning alot from this forum. You guys are so helpful. I also am finding out that natural products are so expense. Hopefully I will find something that works for my hair and is simply and does take all day to do.
Originally Posted by krystra
I meant to say doesn't take all day.
The book is called Grow Hair Fast: 7 steps to a new head of hair in 90 days. By Riquette Hofstein

Lots of recipes. Shampoo, gels, dyes. I haven't exactly tried a specific recipe although I have used many of the ingredients in the book.

Here is one for conditioner for dry hair. 3 tbs of rum. 1 egg yolk. Mix. Let sit 10 minutes then rinse with cool water. You can substitute rum with blackstrap molasses and let sit 20 minutes then cool rinse.
Originally Posted by adthomas
My hair ain't coming near my Mount Gay! I'd rather be bald! *clings onto bottle*

n.b. I am not an alcoholic I swear!
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My hair is in the 4s, low in porosity, high in density and coarse.

Love: QB - all of it, Bobeam - shampoo bars, Darcy's Botanicals - Pumpkin Seed Conditioner, Coconut Cupuacu Pomade, KBN - Shealoe Leave-in, Oyin - Juices & Berries, Kinky Curly - Knot Today, Ayurvedic treatments, my Denman and the cloud of kinky goodness on my head that I get to play with!
The book is called Grow Hair Fast: 7 steps to a new head of hair in 90 days. By Riquette Hofstein

Lots of recipes. Shampoo, gels, dyes. I haven't exactly tried a specific recipe although I have used many of the ingredients in the book.

Here is one for conditioner for dry hair. 3 tbs of rum. 1 egg yolk. Mix. Let sit 10 minutes then rinse with cool water. You can substitute rum with blackstrap molasses and let sit 20 minutes then cool rinse.
Originally Posted by adthomas
My hair ain't coming near my Mount Gay! I'd rather be bald! *clings onto bottle*

n.b. I am not an alcoholic I swear!
Originally Posted by Jo Somebody
Haha. A swig for me. A swig for my hair.
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I have to admit I prefer putting blackstrap molasses and rum in my mouth rather than in my hair. lol

Glycerin will do for now!
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