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KinkyKhami 02-19-2013 11:11 PM

hairveda and afroveda
 
Afroveda and Hairveda...I heard about these products some years ago when I first went natural. I heard some rumors or scandals about their ingredients and prices. I was wondering if anyone still use these products.

Cerendipity 02-20-2013 08:27 AM

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RizosMio 02-20-2013 11:53 AM

Are these two brands related?

I use Hairveda Whipped Cream Ends Hydration...I don't have issues with the ingredients, I think they're quite good.

Edit: Actually...I won't be using the Hairveda Whipped Cream anymore. This question kinda peaked my interest and after some Googling and learning about the bases on that product, I have no interest.

AllieCat0817 02-21-2013 04:00 AM

Love Hairveda Cocasta Oil (major staple), and the two daily conditioners (24-7 Moist and the MoistPro). Also Amala Cream Rinse.

I have some Afroveda Shea Amla and Curl Define that I got last year on a major sale which is the only time Ill buy it.


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Chicago Kinks 02-21-2013 05:59 AM

I purchased Afroveda Sweet Roots line last summer and I like it. I have not and probably wont reorder only because im impatient. I gave up on Hairveda...hair just doesn't like the line enough.

...so supersonic

GoldenBlaze 02-21-2013 09:41 AM

I use the Afroveda Shea Alma at when I remoisturize my hair nightly. It's very moisturizing and makes my hair soft

hippychic 02-22-2013 11:54 AM

i stopped with afroveda after finding out some products had cones. never repurchased anything.

GoldenBlaze 02-22-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hippychic (Post 2124635)
i stopped with afroveda after finding out some products had cones. never repurchased anything.

I didn't know anything about it. I only use the butters which don't have cones in them

GoldenBlaze 02-22-2013 06:15 PM

Ok I just read the thread about the "Afroveda" gate thing. That was almost 3yrs ago., I'm not a mixtress so knowing about bases and stuff is foreign to me because Im not good at mixing stufff. As long as it doesn't have drying alcohols, cones, parabens, mineral oil. petrolatum, or any other harmful rogue ingredients, I don't have an issue with it. If it works for my hair then I'm good. It's kinda like naturals who do use those things, to each is their own. I like Afroveda so far. If that changes Ill let you all know.

Cerendipity 02-22-2013 07:14 PM

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GoldenBlaze 02-22-2013 07:30 PM

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GoldenBlaze 02-22-2013 07:41 PM

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GoldenBlaze 02-22-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerendipity (Post 2124825)
what i think hippy meant is she wasnt disclosing CONES in her products(if she was using the bases listed). If you go by some of the bases that were listed, they looked very familiar to her products only hers didnt list cones.

I saw that. I wasn't using the products that didn't list cones. It was her conditioners not the butters. Like I said that was almost 3yrs ago and ANY of these product makers could be doing it. Unless we are making our own shampoos and conditioners, we truly don't know what we are using.

hippychic 02-22-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBlaze (Post 2124845)
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Originally Posted by Cerendipity (Post 2124825)
what i think hippy meant is she wasnt disclosing CONES in her products(if she was using the bases listed). If you go by some of the bases that were listed, they looked very familiar to her products only hers didnt list cones.

I saw that. I wasn't using the products that didn't list cones. It was her conditioners not the butters. Like I said that was almost 3yrs ago and ANY of these product makers could be doing it. Unless we are making our own shampoos and conditioners, we truly don't know what we are using.

cerendipity is absolutely right about what i thought.

my hair hates hates hates silicones. i couldn't figure out why my hair hated her conditioners because they were supposed to be silicone free. i did like her butters but the mold and separation, along with long wait times and poor customer service issues stopped that too. all of afroveda just left a bad taste in my mouth. made me second guess the integrity of her business and products. if it works for you, fine - do you...

GoldenBlaze 02-22-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hippychic (Post 2124854)
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Originally Posted by GoldenBlaze (Post 2124845)
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Originally Posted by Cerendipity (Post 2124825)
what i think hippy meant is she wasnt disclosing CONES in her products(if she was using the bases listed). If you go by some of the bases that were listed, they looked very familiar to her products only hers didnt list cones.

I saw that. I wasn't using the products that didn't list cones. It was her conditioners not the butters. Like I said that was almost 3yrs ago and ANY of these product makers could be doing it. Unless we are making our own shampoos and conditioners, we truly don't know what we are using.

cerendipity is absolutely right about what i thought.

my hair hates hates hates silicones. i couldn't figure out why my hair hated her conditioners because they were supposed to be silicone free. i did like her butters but the mold and separation, along with long wait times and poor customer service issues stopped that too. all of afroveda just left a bad taste in my mouth. made me second guess the integrity of her business and products. if it works for you, fine - do you...

That was 3yrs ago. Im sure there are plenty of natural hair consumers who have let that go, because her business is thriving, even in these economic times. In business these days most folks have no integrity but that doesn't stop goods from being sold. Que sera sera...

TheCurlyOne 02-23-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBlaze (Post 2124970)
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Originally Posted by hippychic (Post 2124854)
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Originally Posted by GoldenBlaze (Post 2124845)

I saw that. I wasn't using the products that didn't list cones. It was her conditioners not the butters. Like I said that was almost 3yrs ago and ANY of these product makers could be doing it. Unless we are making our own shampoos and conditioners, we truly don't know what we are using.

cerendipity is absolutely right about what i thought.

my hair hates hates hates silicones. i couldn't figure out why my hair hated her conditioners because they were supposed to be silicone free. i did like her butters but the mold and separation, along with long wait times and poor customer service issues stopped that too. all of afroveda just left a bad taste in my mouth. made me second guess the integrity of her business and products. if it works for you, fine - do you...

That was 3yrs ago. Im sure there are plenty of natural hair consumers who have let that go, because her business is thriving, even in these economic times. In business these days most folks have no integrity but that doesn't stop goods from being sold. Que sera sera...

I agree with this. Forums, blogs, youtubers etc do not make up even half of the natural hair community. So just because she may have faced a harsh backlash from the online natural hair blogosphere.....it doesn't mean that her other customers (which again are the majority anyway) care about the "issues". For a lot of people...they don't care...and it's not that serious. Even if suchinsuch is using bases....they rather by a finished product (bases or not) that works...rather than purchase a basic product from a wholesaler and add extra ingredients and mix it to work for them. To a non-mixtress the latter alternative may prove to be MORE expensive and time consuming for them than just buying the Afroveda. People will pay for convenience....and a lot of people don't care about that kind of stuff.

I have not purchased from either product lines and most likely never will btw, so I can see this pretty objectively. :)

RizosMio 02-23-2013 01:52 AM

I'm personally extremely miffed by the petrolatum in the Hairveda Whipped Cream Ends Hydration base...nowhere does it appear in Hairveda's actual ingredient list. I cleanse with clay and I don't believe it removes such ingredients, so now I'll have to clarify just to be certain. Geez... :/

I have a bottle of 95% full Whipped Cream moisturizer if anyone wants...heh.

TheCurlyOne 02-23-2013 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RizosMio (Post 2125002)
I'm personally extremely miffed by the petrolatum in the Hairveda Whipped Cream Ends Hydration base...nowhere does it appear in Hairveda's actual ingredient list. I cleanse with clay and I don't believe it removes such ingredients, so now I'll have to clarify just to be certain. Geez... :/

I have a bottle of 95% full Whipped Cream moisturizer if anyone wants...heh.

There is a fine line between libel and opinion, and the poster that claimed Hairveda's Whipped Cream product had petrolatum in it was REALLY walking that fine line. It's dangerous because that's how misinformation, rumours, and problems get started. Later on if you read a little further you will see where several posters, including coilynapp who from what I've seen, is very well educated on ingredients addressed the posts regarding bases. In short, it is a stretch to say definitively that Hairvedas leave in cream has petrolatum in it.....a hard stretch. I'm not saying it doesn't Im just saying there is VERY VERY little evidence that that particular product comes from the base that contains petrolatum. So little in fact that I would go so far as to say that woman was irresponsible for making that comment. Not everything comes from a base...and that particular product could very well NOT come from that base or any base at all for that matter. Basically, she doesn't know whether it has petrolatum in it...that particular poster was claiming a lot of products were "bases". Later on it was revealed that what she was calling "bases" in a few situations were actually raw ingredients that were simply conditioner pellets.

If you like a product, and it works for you....use it. You will go nuts and spend an ample amount of money following the "hair dos and donts"...and very few of them are factual. Mineral Oil and Petrolatum are removed just fine from the hair by something as simple as conditioner washing.....so yes your clay treatment will suffice. :)

RizosMio 02-23-2013 09:05 AM

One possibility could be that these companies are copying the ingredients but mixing themselves, so they can leave things out...I'm just not sure I want to risk it.

I'm actually not one of those people that runs from cones or mineral oil, I don't think they're bad ingredients at all. But they should be removed properly. The only reason why I'm avoiding them is because I wash/DC with clay.

Thanks CurlyOne I'll go back and read things a bit more carefully and see from there...my hair has been perfectly fine and without buildup, if that can attest for anything.

Edit: Heyyy I didn't know mineral oil/petrolatum were easily removed? I'll dig a little to be sure but thanks!

GoldenBlaze 02-23-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCurlyOne (Post 2124981)
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Originally Posted by GoldenBlaze (Post 2124970)
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Originally Posted by hippychic (Post 2124854)
cerendipity is absolutely right about what i thought.

my hair hates hates hates silicones. i couldn't figure out why my hair hated her conditioners because they were supposed to be silicone free. i did like her butters but the mold and separation, along with long wait times and poor customer service issues stopped that too. all of afroveda just left a bad taste in my mouth. made me second guess the integrity of her business and products. if it works for you, fine - do you...

That was 3yrs ago. Im sure there are plenty of natural hair consumers who have let that go, because her business is thriving, even in these economic times. In business these days most folks have no integrity but that doesn't stop goods from being sold. Que sera sera...

I agree with this. Forums, blogs, youtubers etc do not make up even half of the natural hair community. So just because she may have faced a harsh backlash from the online natural hair blogosphere.....it doesn't mean that her other customers (which again are the majority anyway) care about the "issues". For a lot of people...they don't care...and it's not that serious. Even if suchinsuch is using bases....they rather by a finished product (bases or not) that works...rather than purchase a basic product from a wholesaler and add extra ingredients and mix it to work for them. To a non-mixtress the latter alternative may prove to be MORE expensive and time consuming for them than just buying the Afroveda. People will pay for convenience....and a lot of people don't care about that kind of stuff.

I have not purchased from either product lines and most likely never will btw, so I can see this pretty objectively. :)

Very good point and this is exactly how I feel. I buy for convenience because I'm in no way a mixtress. I know how cones and petrolatum feel in my hair and I don't have that feeling when I use Afroveda. It feels like a moisturizing butter that melts in my strands, making them shiny and soft. That's all that matters to me.


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