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Old 07-15-2013, 12:11 AM   #1
 
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Default Shaping High Shrinkage 4a Hair?

Hi! Can anyone give me some advice on shaping hair with TONS of shrinkage? My hair is about shoulder length completely dry and Almost belly button length stretched out. I've been thinking about getting a Devacut but I'm not sure this is the best route, especially since I'm trying to grow out my hair as long as possible-kind of like Teri LaFlesh.
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But my hair looks very square right now (styled with gel) and I don't like that. Without gel its just a puff ball (see pics)

Does anyone know the best way to shape high shrinkage hair while keeping as much length as possible? Should I just flat iron it and get long layers?

PS-Right Now it's cut straight across.

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If you're adamant about cutting it, then get it cut into layers or a bob but keep in mind that styles like ponytails and puffs may not be even. Otherwise, try picking out your roots with a wide tooth comb, afro pick, or diffuser to give the top and crown more volume so that it won't look "boxy".

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Beautiful hair!!!

I havent had a real deal cut since my bc. For a while my looked weird as it grew out because it is uneven. I thought about cutting But I found out wearing a low bun ponytail at night gives me better shape. I never flat iron so that can make shape and evenness a bigger issue.
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Your hair is awesome. I think a Deva Cut is the way to go because they cut your hair in it's curly state dry, so you know exactly what you are getting right then instead of when stylists cut straight dry hair or wet curls. They will cut layers in a way that makes sense to the way your hair naturally lays, giving you a good shape without taking too much off.

I have never been a fan of cutting while straight. My hair always goes into "shock" afterwards and it takes 2 months to recover.
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Don't get a devacut. I saw some reviews on youtube and people were not happy. They cut your hair wet and when it is dry, there is hair sticking out everywhere. Plus they are big on taking the weight out of your hair.

The best way to cut type 4 hair is dry after blow drying and flat ironing. That way they can see the shape and the condition of the hair. Find a salon that specializes in cutting your hair type, not just curly hair. I tell my stylist that I wear my hair straight and curly and I want it to have a shape both ways.
Not true! That is Ouidad that does that. The Carve and Slice method is horrible on extremely textured hair.

The Devachan cut is done on dry curly hair, that is the whole principle/philosophy behind their entire technique.
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Ok I was wrong.

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Don't get a devacut. I saw some reviews on youtube and people were not happy. They cut your hair wet and when it is dry, there is hair sticking out everywhere. Plus they are big on taking the weight out of your hair.

The best way to cut type 4 hair is dry after blow drying and flat ironing. That way they can see the shape and the condition of the hair. Find a salon that specializes in cutting your hair type, not just curly hair. I tell my stylist that I wear my hair straight and curly and I want it to have a shape both ways.
Not true! That is Ouidad that does that. The Carve and Slice method is horrible on extremely textured hair.

The Devachan cut is done on dry curly hair, that is the whole principle/philosophy behind their entire technique.
I think you might be right about the wet cutting thing being a Ouidad method. I went to a "curly specialist" salon (The Styling Hutch in Plano) and they didn't know what they were doing...at least they didn't know what they were doing with my 4a hair. The stylist shampooed my hair in one giant mass, knotting up the roots, and then tried to comb it out starting at the scalp. It was horrible! I had to tell her to section it, and then I had to tell her to start detangling from the bottom, and she had an attitude with me. I even suggested she use more conditioner. In the end, I had to get up and leave because I could hear her breaking my hair off. Then she had the nerve to say I was "just getting scared". Never again! It took me 4 hours to detangle her mess! And I had to cut out so many knots! Btw, I conditioned and detangled the night before to make the process smoother, so I know she's the one who did the damage.

Sry, but I'm not gonna pay $150 for a Ouidad certified stylist to break off all of my hair.
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Don't get a devacut. I saw some reviews on youtube and people were not happy. They cut your hair wet and when it is dry, there is hair sticking out everywhere. Plus they are big on taking the weight out of your hair.

The best way to cut type 4 hair is dry after blow drying and flat ironing. That way they can see the shape and the condition of the hair. Find a salon that specializes in cutting your hair type, not just curly hair. I tell my stylist that I wear my hair straight and curly and I want it to have a shape both ways.
Not true! That is Ouidad that does that. The Carve and Slice method is horrible on extremely textured hair.

The Devachan cut is done on dry curly hair, that is the whole principle/philosophy behind their entire technique.
I think you might be right about the wet cutting thing being a Ouidad method. I went to a "curly specialist" salon (The Styling Hutch in Plano) and they didn't know what they were doing...at least they didn't know what they were doing with my 4a hair. The stylist shampooed my hair in one giant mass, knotting up the roots, and then tried to comb it out starting at the scalp. It was horrible! I had to tell her to section it, and then I had to tell her to start detangling from the bottom, and she had an attitude with me. I even suggested she use more conditioner. In the end, I had to get up and leave because I could hear her breaking my hair off. Then she had the nerve to say I was "just getting scared". Never again! It took me 4 hours to detangle her mess! And I had to cut out so many knots! Btw, I conditioned and detangled the night before to make the process smoother, so I know she's the one who did the damage.

Sry, but I'm not gonna pay $150 for a Ouidad certified stylist to break off all of my hair.
Damn! No thanks! Yeah I would not go anywhere near Ouidad or her certified stylists with my hair. They claim that they know how to deal with highly textured hair but I've never seen their methods look good on our curl pattern. And furthermore I've never seen Ouidad herself anywhere near afro-textured hair, which I find to be quite suspect.

I have seen our kind of hair look good with the Deva cut so that's why I say go with that. But you still have to make sure the stylist you talk to has some sense of how our hair behaves. But yeah cutting the hair dry and natural/curly just makes sense. Some ppl feel safer just blowing the hair out first and cutting it then but I never wear my hair straight or in stretched styles so that would not benefit me (it actually ruins the shape when doing a wash & go for me) and the results of having it blown out have always set me back in terms of hair health.
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Please keep your thread updated.

one of the reasons i have never trimmed from a baldy is because of the varying textures and never being able to get a decent cut. the way it grows is a hair style to me. [yours looks really nice]

i guess between trimming out knots and regular combing, this is a close to a cut as I will ever get.

a cut requires a total comb-out on straight hair which may differ greatly once dry, or even with wet hair it will still shrink...

good luck and awesome hair by the way...
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The stylist shampooed my hair in one giant mass, knotting up the roots, and then tried to comb it out starting at the scalp.
I mean, that stylist didn't even know the basics of combing hair?

Wow. I hope you created at least one review for this specific stylist from this salon. People should be warned away from her.
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The stylist shampooed my hair in one giant mass, knotting up the roots, and then tried to comb it out starting at the scalp.
I mean, that stylist didn't even know the basics of combing hair?

Wow. I hope you created at least one review for this specific stylist from this salon. People should be warned away from her.
I actually finally wrote a review last week, but I felt kind of bad about it. Maybe she does a good job on other textures of hair? I dunno. But in the review I specified my hair type and length so maybe ppl wont think I'm dogging her just for the heck of it. Maybe she just didn't want to admit she didn't know how to do my hair, or maybe she just didn't want to deal with it because I have so much. I dunno.
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Yeah, it's no fun having to write a negative review. If you stated that the stylist couldn't handle "my 4a hair", I'd think that would suffice(?). But even if you didn't ...

When I read your description of what happened, what stood out most was your stylists' attitude. Someone telling you you're "just scared"; showing an unwillingness to pay attention to or listen to her customer? Any customer with any curl type could stand to be warned about this stylist. So, good on you for posting that review
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Hey, everybody! I just wanted to give an update! I got a Deva Cut at the Michael Flores Salon in Dallas. I went to Angela Hicks and she was awesome!

She just trimmed the knots off of the ends on the bottom where I have the most shrinkage and then layered the top a little where it's longer to give me more shape! It doesn't look super different, but she cut quite a bit off the top. O_O Anyways, it was $105 and a great experience, though next time, I don't think I'll get it washed/styled there. I just prefer to do that myself. I was not impressed with the Deva products. Here's pics!

The first is a pic before the cut from a week or so ago when it was rainy and humid.

The next three pics are my hair still damp and crunchy with gel.

The last couple pics are completely dry hair scrunched with oil. Humidity always makes my hair plump up-which I like.

Next time I might get it shorter with more layers. I care less about length now. I just like to wear my hair out and fluffy with knot free ends, hahaha.

Thanks to everyone who answered, and I hope this helps someone looking for info on a Deva Cut on 4a hair!
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This is the last pic!
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I have 4a hair and I may get a deva cut @ the Michael Flores salon. Thanks for the info.
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Very pretty hair! Glad to hear you had a happy Deva cut experience.
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Okay, so I'm not really sure what's going on, but I have an idea. My hair looks COMPLETELY different than it did the day I got it cut.

Maybe because when I got it cut, the stylist finger detangled, raked through the Deva Care conditioner (didn't rinse) and then just smoothed the medium hold gel on the canopy and underneath???

Today I cowashed with Tresseme Curl conditioner(or something like that). Then I put a small squirt of Kinky Curly Knot Today on each section and combed it through with my macadamia no tangle brush.

After that I added a squirt of CJ Pattern Pusha Gel and raked it through each section. Then I diffused after misting with Frizz Ease heat protectant.

For some reason my hair decided it's going to look completely different everyday of my life. This kind of changes how I feel about the Deva Cut.

Maybe it changed shape so drastically because none of the products I used today had protein or humectants in them? I know for sure the deva conditioner and gel and glycerin.

Maybe the heat protectant did it? I've never used heat protectant on my curly hair before.

Maybe because I used so little product today and my hair was damp and not soaking wet like at the salon?

Either way, I'm going to try it again with soaking wet hair finger combed with conditioner one day and see what happens. Only I'll use Eco Styler Gel instead of the Deva Curl gel.

Back to how I feel about the Deva Cut... I got my hair cut on second day hair, so the curls had dropped and were weighed down by my length. Now that weight is gone, so my hair shape is different. It's bouncy and boingy and nothing like the salon hair shape.

I really like the dimension and I feel like my hair curls better because of the layers. BUT because I have so much shrinkage, the cut doesn't make sense to me anymore.

The hair on top was weighed down during the cut, so it was stretched out and longer looking than after the wash today. I guess my hair finally recovered from the shock.

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A) My hair looks different depending on its own weight.
B) My hair looks different based on the products I use AND leave in.
C) My hair looks different based on if it is finger detangled or detangled using a wide toothed comb or ( similar to tangle teezer) my macadamia no tangle brush. The brush gives me more shrinkage.

I'm just saying, if you're considering this cut and your hair curls anything like mine, your final shape might be different than you anticipated.

PS- I still want more layers for height.

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Very pretty hair! Glad to hear you had a happy Deva cut experience.
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