What determines if twists will stick out or lay down?

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  • 1 Post By lori.mattox
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I'm thinking about getting my hair twisted over the break but I was wondering if anyone could tell what can cause twists to look so different sometimes. Like with this photo: Jamie Foxx twists

and this one: Short two strand twists | Black Women Natural Hairstyles

I really don't like how the twists stick out like that in the first picture, and I'd like to avoid that. I thought maybe hair length would determine it, but the hair in the first photo seems longer than in the second and it still sticks out that like. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks.
I really don't like how the twists stick out like that in the first picture, and I'd like to avoid that. I thought maybe hair length would determine it, but the hair in the first photo seems longer than in the second and it still sticks out that like. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks.
Originally Posted by Gmo
I have been experimenting with twisting as a style to wear outside og my house. What found was that how you hold the twist while twisting determines this. So what I'm dayong is if you hold your two pieces out away from your head (like a halo almost) they will stick up. If you hold the two pieces down towards your shoulders it will lay flat. I also twist until I need to move my hands- the best description of this is in the mini twist how to or faq video from naptural85 on youtube.


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I think length is a factor. My hair has too much weight to stick straight up.but my twists can stick out funky on the sides depending on how I let them dry. My hair is very pliable when wet. That is why I dont like that bobbi pin twist stretch Nap85 does. If your hair is long you can let your twist dry in a low ponytail. I do this sometimes and it reduces the volume of my hair. For shorter I suggest clips at the base of the twists as you put them in and keep them in until hair fairly dry.

Also that lady's hair looks like coils to me and not twists. I could be wrong.
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I think length is a factor.
That is why I dont like that bobbi pin twist stretch Nap85 does.
For shorter I suggest clips at the base of the twists as you put them in and keep them in until hair fairly dry.
Originally Posted by adthomas
Adthomas- length as a factor is a very good point. I look forward to being at that point in my journey! I assumed short hair issues from the pictured and decided to skip that. I'm also really going to try wet twisting again and clip the roots down. Thanks for the tip!

@Gmo- I had also forgotten about naptural85's bobby pin stretching technique. I didn't like it on my twists either but was referring to her actual twisting technique faq video. If I were on my laptop I'd put a link to the video in but I'm not so I'll try to describe. She recommends twisting with your hands in the same place until they get in the way of you twisting before sliding them down the length of the twist. That has helped my twists look and stay better.

Are you doing (or did you do) your twists yourself or is someone else?

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I've never really had them done before. I'm a guy, and I've been a little apprehensive about how they might end up looking on me. I'm thinking about finding someone to do it for me over Christmas break while I'm home from college though.
I've never really had them done before. I'm a guy, and I've been a little apprehensive about how they might end up looking on me. I'm thinking about finding someone to do it for me over Christmas break while I'm home from college though.
Originally Posted by Gmo
I'm pretty sure that lady in the photo had finger coils. I met a guy had that style and it looked wonderful on him. Sexy. I was staring at him hair in awe. I have seen Blair Underwood wear it. Sexy. I have tried on me but for the life of me cannot get mine to hold. They unravel. I thought my hair was too long but I saw Chaz Dean with them on a little girl wih hair much longer than mine. Why don't you watch a few yt videos on finger coils and practice. See if you like it.
How To - Finger Coils on Natural Hair - YouTube
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I'm not convinced the ladies hair is finger coils, but I'm also not convinced that they are twists either so I'm not sure. I do agree with @adthomas that finger coils look good on a man also. I do small sections of finger coils and they look like tiny curlformer type curls to me. I found some pics from when I first did them- I think my hair was about 2-4 inches long depending on where you measured.

For the picture of the twists I was also thinking you can't rule out size of twist sections compared to length of hair. If I try to do chunky twists my hair can sit out like that until I sleep then it just gets matted down. My mini-twists looked similar to her hair, just longer. So far mini sized twists are the only twists I can put in my hair that don't unravel or get all shrunken/funny looking after one night of sleeping on them.
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Cute. I want mine like this. I can't seem to get it come out right
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Some people's hair naturally coils regardless of length.

So don't presume that someone put a lot of effort into doing finger coils.

You know because those are the people who get peeved when you ask them where or how did they get their coils.
Some people's hair naturally coils regardless of length.

So don't presume that someone put a lot of effort into doing finger coils.

You know because those are the people who get peeved when you ask them where or how did they get their coils.
Originally Posted by Blueblood
I'm not sure I follow you. Why would they get mad? My hair is always coily from root to tip. And yes it gets on my nerves when people ask me how did I make my hair curly. But finger coils or comb coils imo have a very different look to them than a wash and go or a twist out. Coils look like a set and I can't get my longer hair to hold that set. I have some hair in the back that is shorter when my hair loss is growing in. I can do finger coils on it and it stays no problem. But the rest of my hair which is long is a no go. I'm not sure where I'm going wrong.
Any tips appreciated. I used avg the lasttime I tried.
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Thanks for the replies guys! I might give finger coils a try over the break.
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I'm not sure I follow you. Why would they get mad? My hair is always coily from root to tip. And yes it gets on my nerves when people ask me how did I make my hair curly.
Originally Posted by adthomas
You have kind have just answered your own question - image having a day when lots of people ask you then don't believe you when you give them the answer.

But finger coils or comb coils imo have a very different look to them than a wash and go or a twist out.
Originally Posted by adthomas
That's because you presume that every one with those type of coils has done finger coils.

The finger coils you show in your video I actually managed to get with no work what so ever when I put henna in my hair for the first time in years in September and it lasted a week even though I washed my hair once. I couldn't work out what I had done because I've not been able to get my hair to do that since so unfortunately can't help you in your next request.

I'm not sure I follow you. Why would they get mad? My hair is always coily from root to tip. And yes it gets on my nerves when people ask me how did I make my hair curly.
Originally Posted by adthomas
You have kind have just answered your own question - image having a day when lots of people ask you then don't believe you when you give them the answer.

But finger coils or comb coils imo have a very different look to them than a wash and go or a twist out.
Originally Posted by adthomas
That's because you presume that every one with those type of coils has done finger coils.

The finger coils you show in your video I actually managed to get with no work what so ever when I put henna in my hair for the first time in years in September and it lasted a week even though I washed my hair once. I couldn't work out what I had done because I've not been able to get my hair to do that since so unfortunately can't help you in your next request.
Originally Posted by Blueblood
Blueblood, I have to be honest I wasn't following your line of thought either, I just chose not to respond because it felt to me that you were commenting to start a problem as opposed to trying to give advice to the original poster. Since you've opened up the can of worms I'll add my two cents. First, the thread started as a question about twists laying down or sticking up, and how to acheive this. Second, the point of someone's personal opinion was made that they might not be twists but coils. We're each entitled to our own thoughts, but I did look again on my laptop instead of my phone to further inspect and make sure I was giving the best advice to my knowledge. I'm still not sure about the picture, but still have tried my best to give good feedback. Third, I'm still not seeing anywhere where any one of the other 3 people posting (before your post) in this thread that finger coils were a lot of work or effort. Fourth, I don't understand how you get off telling the posters that they shouldn't presume that a person has "put in" finger coils because some people's hair naturally coils this way. REALLY? It was a suggestion first and foremost for a possible hairstyle alternative that wouldn't stick up not as the gold standard that the original poster had to do. The only way that should be offensive is if GMO was telling us his hair already coiled like that, and we continued giving him the advice to do that style within the thread. Finally, my hair looks similar to finger coils as a wash and go, but when I do finger coils I can get them to stay looking frizz free, etc for 3-4 days and in larger chunks. If someone compliments my hair that I indeed did as finger coils I will tell them I did finger coils; if it is just a wash and go, I will also tell them it is a wash and go. However, just like adthomas, my opinion at least for my hair and others I have seen, they are different hair styles because coils are more "ordered" than my normal wash and go coils. I've attached a picture of a wash and go up close in comparison to my finger coils from earlier.
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Thanks for the replies guys! I might give finger coils a try over the break.
Originally Posted by Gmo
Gmo- Keep us (well me at least) updated on your hair! I'd love to hear how things go for you whether you choose twists or coils. Good luck- and remember, don't be afraid of trying either hairstyle yourself. ; ) That's how I've learned everything I've learned about doing my hair. Unfortunately there is also never a super clear answer, lols, as not all methods work for all individuals.
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I'm not sure I follow you. Why would they get mad? My hair is always coily from root to tip. And yes it gets on my nerves when people ask me how did I make my hair curly.
Originally Posted by adthomas
You have kind have just answered your own question - image having a day when lots of people ask you then don't believe you when you give them the answer.

But finger coils or comb coils imo have a very different look to them than a wash and go or a twist out.
Originally Posted by adthomas
That's because you presume that every one with those type of coils has done finger coils.

The finger coils you show in your video I actually managed to get with no work what so ever when I put henna in my hair for the first time in years in September and it lasted a week even though I washed my hair once. I couldn't work out what I had done because I've not been able to get my hair to do that since so unfortunately can't help you in your next request.
Originally Posted by Blueblood
Blue,

I don't have a strand of hair on my head that doesn't curl or coil. It doesn't make sense that I would have coily hair and can't do finger coils yet I would assume everyone else with coily hair has finger coils in their hair. I posted that video to give the gentleman a chance to see how the process is done. I don't see where I did any assuming when I posted a video labeled as a finger coil tutorial. The pictures in the first posts were also labeled. Lori said her photo was finger coils. So please tell me where are the assumptions in this thread?

Again, in my opinion there is a different look to finger coils at least from what I've seen. Am I capable of misjudging a wash and go for finger coils? Certainly. I have no problem admitting I can be wrong. There is also a circular technique for very short hair that will create coils.
Also keep in mind the people on this board have invested a lot more time educating ourselves and looking at an overwhelming amount natural hair styles. More so than the Average Joe on the street who asks you about your hair. I would hope that would carry some weight as to whether we can tell between a head full of manipulated coils and unmanipulated coils. I guess my frustration with people asking me how I make my hair curly is I feel they should be able to tell the difference too but maybe that's too much to ask. Then, I have never asked anyone in the "real world" how they went about finger coiling their hair. I rarely ask people anything about their hair. However, If I did I would never accuse someone of lying. If people accused you of lying it's probably because they don't think black people (not biracial) are capable of having curly hair. They're stupid. I myself have been accused of lying about whether I'm wearing weave, whether reddish brown is my natural hair color which it is. I get the sense there is some frustration behind your posts and I totally understand it. That's why I stopped discussing my hair with people who are either not natural or deep into transitioning or at least I keep it brief.
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Thanks for the replies guys! I might give finger coils a try over the break.
Originally Posted by Gmo
Gmo- I actually did twists today so I'll try to share what it is that I did right. First, my hair is 2-5 inches long, depending on where you measure and it tends to shrink a lot and/or curl up on itself even after twisting. This is even after clipping my roots, but I also didn't have very defined sections. I consider these free handed but I'm not sure if it really has a name, lols.

Ok, so procedure- I just recently learned that my hair is very okay with conditioner only as a styler. Today I did a yogurt based hair mask, then shampooed and conditioned, and after drying a little in a t-shirt, applied a leave in conditioner mixed with aloe vera juice and flaxseed oil. I also smoothed a little more aloe juice onto each section before twisting and leaving a little bit loose at the ends. I smoothed more aloe juice on the loose ends, and then twirled my finger around it to seal it. So far mine are sort of laying down but I would need either heavier product or have put something on the ends while drying I think. For me heavier product was out b/c of how soon I would have to shampoo again- my hair is fine in texture and easily gets weighed down. This picture is when they were pretty much all the way dry but not quite all the way dry. I hope this helps in figuring out how they lay down!
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