Dumb white girl questions...humor me? :)

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I've been obsessed kinky and generally highly textured hair since I was a kid. Right now I'm considering a career change into hairdressing, but I know for a fact that those textures aren't discussed in these parts beyond relaxing and roller sets (tbh, I didn't even know such a thing as a hot comb existed until recently). In any case, I have a couple of natural friends, but they live a long way off so I thought I'd direct some silly questions here.

When you're doing a protective style like say, crochet braids, what if you have longer hair? Do you just sew the tail ends of the braids up along your scalp?

If you do twists or braids, how in Bob's name do you get them to move normally?? If I braid my hair, it will lay in whatever direction I braid it in, so how do you get it to move in such a way that you can do updos and whatnot with it?

Is "natural hair" just about being chemical free, or is it also about texture? When you're doing a flexirod/perm rod/twist out set or whatnot, you're stretching and reforming your curl pattern. When I do something like that I feel like that's not my natural hair (nevermind that it's colored anyway), but these sort of curl reshaping methods are obviously part of the natural hair schtick. Or when you wear a protective style that involves extra shop-bought hair...is that considered natural?

Why doesn't anyone ever seem to just get a spiral perm to hide relaxed ends? I mean, the ends are already relaxed, you plan on cutting them off, so why not just match the texture if you have a corkscrew-ier pattern?

Sorry guys. I'm just curious. I've learned a lot from women who have a totally different texture from me. Plus I'm hugely jealous! If I could get my hair to fro or not get really weird looks wearing havana twists, I totally would in a heartbeat!
Not sure there are one size fits all answers since some of your questions are opinion based. Just because someone has highly textured hair doesn't mean their hair is going to be exactly the same as the next head.

IMO opinion doing a perm set or flexirod would no different than say you picking up a blow dryer and blowing your hair straight. If the hair when wetreverts to its original state to me it's natural hair. Also twistouts don't always alter the curl pattern. If I twist my hair when it is fresh washed which I typically do then what it does it keep my hair from shrinking as much. It doesn't change my pattern and looks the same as a wash and go. Actually when I wash and go I will let my hair get so dry so long in twists then take them down let my hair continue drying. This helps me prevent tangles.

The braid question. Seems to me unless you braid your hair attached to the scalp as a cornrow you should not have a problem pulling it up. I have seen white girls pull up their hair while in braids.

Spiral perms to me would seem to defeat the point of trying to go chemical free. Plus the line of demarcation is weak and breakage prone already so I think putting a chemical over a chemical would be overprocessed and more than likely breakage.

Whether you are natural has nothing to do with whether you wear weave or wigs. However there are those who consider anyone who has used a chemical hair dye to not be natural.
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I've been obsessed kinky and generally highly textured hair since I was a kid. Right now I'm considering a career change into hairdressing, but I know for a fact that those textures aren't discussed in these parts beyond relaxing and roller sets (tbh, I didn't even know such a thing as a hot comb existed until recently). In any case, I have a couple of natural friends, but they live a long way off so I thought I'd direct some silly questions here.

When you're doing a protective style like say, crochet braids, what if you have longer hair? Do you just sew the tail ends of the braids up along your scalp?

If you do twists or braids, how in Bob's name do you get them to move normally?? If I braid my hair, it will lay in whatever direction I braid it in, so how do you get it to move in such a way that you can do updos and whatnot with it?

Is "natural hair" just about being chemical free, or is it also about texture? When you're doing a flexirod/perm rod/twist out set or whatnot, you're stretching and reforming your curl pattern. When I do something like that I feel like that's not my natural hair (nevermind that it's colored anyway), but these sort of curl reshaping methods are obviously part of the natural hair schtick. Or when you wear a protective style that involves extra shop-bought hair...is that considered natural?

Why doesn't anyone ever seem to just get a spiral perm to hide relaxed ends? I mean, the ends are already relaxed, you plan on cutting them off, so why not just match the texture if you have a corkscrew-ier pattern?

Sorry guys. I'm just curious. I've learned a lot from women who have a totally different texture from me. Plus I'm hugely jealous! If I could get my hair to fro or not get really weird looks wearing havana twists, I totally would in a heartbeat!
Originally Posted by freshmintcurls

Hey there!


I think some of your questions are more stylist related, so it might be easier to just ask a stylist or instructor at a natural salon or beauty school, like maybe Dudley's or Amazon or Khamit Kinks, even Aveda... :P I know Dudley's has schools in different cities so you should be able to contact one locally, I think Khamit Kinks is in NY and Amazon Salon is in Chicago.


I think natural means the same to everyone here in that it means that person does not use chemical on their hair, but if you mean style-wise how a 'natural' may style their hair will vary from person to person, as some people flatiron and do blowouts and some don't use heat at all on top of avoiding chemicals-- The straightening comb was actually invented in France to straighten highly textured European hair-that they wanted to style straight...And it has evolved from there.


And as far as doing the styles I know a lot of the schools offer continuing education for licensed stylists as well so that might be something to look into-- And many natural 'salons' offer non-extension protective styles, so you could have one of the ladies style your hair to get a better understanding of how it handles over time--Most people indicate that their twists and plait styles, soften or become more flexible as the style gets older, and then you can style it like your would if your hair was 'down'...


As far as growing out a chemical straightener, did you mean a spiral set to hide the texture or did you mean an actual spiral-rod-perm like Ogilvy?? Because-I have seen girls sometimes simply growing out the chems and using rod sets periodically, but as far as the other, stylists tell you to never ever double-process the hair because when you double process the hair with multiple types of chemicals,(whether with chemical-color and texturizer, or two different types of texturizers, or/and bleach, etc.) it increases the chances for hairloss..


I know this is a lot, but you asked a lot of questions, but I hope the few questions answered were enough to help with what you needed...!
When you're doing a protective style like say, crochet braids, what if you have longer hair? Do you just sew the tail ends of the braids up along your scalp?
there are multiple ways to braid the hair. I just learned a new one last week. But if you have really thick or long hair, you need to make the braids smaller

If you do twists or braids, how in Bob's name do you get them to move normally?
That all depends on how new/tight they are. The older the braids, the more it has grown out, the easier it for the braids to move. It all depends on how tight they are to the scalp

Or when you wear a protective style that involves extra shop-bought hair...is that considered natural?
you haven' altered your natural hair but you aren't wearing it either. So you are still natural but wearing a different style. Some may not consider that natural

Why doesn't anyone ever seem to just get a spiral perm to hide relaxed ends?
1) you would need tiny rods
2) if you only put them on the ends the rest of the hair would be pulled and dry puffy and not curly

HTH
When you're doing a protective style like say, crochet braids, what if you have longer hair? Do you just sew the tail ends of the braids up along your scalp?

If you do twists or braids, how in Bob's name do you get them to move normally?? If I braid my hair, it will lay in whatever direction I braid it in, so how do you get it to move in such a way that you can do updos and whatnot with it?

Is "natural hair" just about being chemical free, or is it also about texture? When you're doing a flexirod/perm rod/twist out set or whatnot, you're stretching and reforming your curl pattern. When I do something like that I feel like that's not my natural hair (nevermind that it's colored anyway), but these sort of curl reshaping methods are obviously part of the natural hair schtick. Or when you wear a protective style that involves extra shop-bought hair...is that considered natural?
Originally Posted by freshmintcurls
I just looked up crochet braids because I didn't know what you were talking about. I have no idea on this.

Ok now i have had braids and twist for years, I don't know what you mean as far as them not moving. Maybe you put them in too tight, that is why it's stiff. I think the smaller the braid or twist, the more it moves. Secondly if you are making the braid or twist too tight, this can damage the hair and cause breakage.

Everyone has their own definition on being natural. To me being "natural" means chemical free, as in adding 0 chemicals(including hair dye that isn't similar to the color you were born with) that permanently alter the shape of the hair staff. Although some women do use hot combs and flat irons to alter the hair staff(this too imo is not natural and very harmful to hair if used improperly and too often) but it is safer than using chemicals since you can easily add water to hair to revert it back to it's natural state.

Not all women keep their relaxed ends, some just cut out all the relaxed hair. But the ones that keep the relaxed ends it's more healthy to just trim as you go(or put it in a protective style until you have reached a desired length to cut it off)

Again everyone has different opinions. You can't really know everything about afro textured hair since everyone's hair is different.
I can not answer a lot of the questions but I can tell you that you can not put a thio curly perm on relaxed hair. It simply won't take as the chemicals are incompatible. So that is not an option.
Oh and I can also give insight on stretching curls being "natural" As a wavy, I know I do a lot of artificial styling techniques to TIGHTEN my straightish hair to make it look more like a curl. I crunch, wrap hair around my fingers, plunk, diffuse, you name it. So all of that is unnatural yet my hair is naturally straight or naturally wavy. In a like manner some ladies set their hair on larger things instead of setting it on smaller things. If you try to see who is more natural or unnatural for altering our hair patterns it is a step from name calling. (some might call it passive aggressive bashing) But in essence type 1 and 2 ladies tend to tighten their pattern while 4s tend to stretch their patterns to all meet closer to the middle near 3. Who is more natural... who cares. We are all ladies styling our hairs
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