Carol's Daughter: Current Reputation?

Hey curlies,

I just wanted to ask about Carol's Daughter and what you all think of the company lately. I know that when I was transitioning I went to their products to help with the two textures on my head. I LOVED the Khoret Amen Olive Oil Infusion and the Healthy Hair Butter.

Now that I am fully natural, I haven't looked to Carol's Daughter products to incorporate into my regimen and it seems a lot of natural hair gurus on YouTube aren't reviewing their products either. It's not as if the products are scarce or terribly expensive; they can be found in Target for relatively low prices.

I know the company was recently acquired by L'Oreal. Do you think the acquisition has made the company's products cheap because maybe the formulations have changed? Or maybe because they are cheaper now people maybe see the lower price tag as a sign of lower quality? It's a bit confusing because Lisa Price has type 4 hair, but many of the new products (from what I've read/seen) do not work well for this texture.

All thoughts welcome and if you have any Carol's Daughter staples, let me know! I'm always in the market for trying new products!
Hi!

I currently use a number of CD products in my hair. Most of the products that I stick with using in my hair are the products from the Hair Milk line (which my hair loves). Since L'Oreal acquired CD there hasn't been any formulation changes to any of the products that I currently use at all. There were formulation changes, but to my knowledge the most recent formulation changes all came before the L'Oreal acquisition, also the lowering of product prices all came before the L'Oreal acquisition too. So, as far as I know, no major changes have been made to the CD products after the L'Oreal acquisition. Also, CD has steadily been coming out with new products, before the L'Oreal acquisition and afterwards. There are individuals on YT that I have seen that do use certain products from the CD line and do love them, which does include such very popular natural hair gurus such as "BeautyByLee" and "MoKnowsHair". Please know that there are natural hair gurus on YT that are ambassadors for certain curly brands themselves, so you may see them mainly using products from the line in which they happen to be an ambassador for. And, I have seen NC continuously send out new CD products to quite a great amount of curlies (of different ethnicities and hair types) on YT for them to use and review. Of course with any haircare line, there will be individuals whose hair will respond well to the products within it, while there will be individuals whose hair won't.

CD products are currently being sold in a number of retail outlets, which now actually includes Walgreens. I am not on Facebook, but I do know that CD has a large following on both Twitter and Instagram. And, CD products have both been featured in two very popular curly/natural hair subscription services-Curlbox and Curlkit a number of times already. Plus, CD is very popular on HSN, and Lisa Price is often seen on there promoting the CD line of products.

When CD products first became well known, I felt the products were quite pricey, and I just didn't know if they were really worth my trying. I actually decided to give their Original Hair Milk Leave In Moisturizer a try and was not impressed with it at all. It really didn't do much for my hair at all. Plus I thought that the smell wreaked of lemon pledge. It's smell would actually turn my stomach. So, for a number of years, I actually had written CD completely off and had no interest in trying their products at all. It wasn't until they had reformulated the ingredients to the Original Hair Milk Leave In Moisturizer, had made it's fragrance less strong and more pleasing and most importantly was offering it at a more affordable price, then that's what led me towards giving the CD line another try. I ended up liking the current formulation that's out and started buying and trying more products from the Hair Milk line to try on my hair. CD is surely not the only line of products that I use in my hair, but like anyone, when I find products that do work for my hair, I do stick with them.
3B, low density, high porosity hair

SM Curl & Shine Shampoo
SM Curl & Shine Conditioner
SM JBCO Leave In Conditioner
Carol's Daughter Hair Milk Cleansing Conditioner
Marula Oil
Argan Oil
Coconut Oil
JBCO
Mixed Chicks Leave In Conditioners (Adult & Kids versions)
Camille Rose Naturals Curl Maker
Camille Rose Naturals Curlaide Moisture Butter
Camille Rose Naturals Almond Jai Twisting Butter

Last edited by Reservechic; 03-15-2015 at 06:14 PM.
Hi!

I currently use a number of CD products in my hair. Most of the products that I stick with using in my hair are the products from the Hair Milk line (which my hair loves). Since L'Oreal acquired CD there hasn't been any formulation changes to any of the products that I currently use at all. There were formulation changes, but to my knowledge the most recent formulation changes all came before the L'Oreal acquisition, also the lowering of product prices all came before the L'Oreal acquisition too. So, as far as I know, no major changes have been made to the CD products after the L'Oreal acquisition. Also, CD has steadily been coming out with new products, before the L'Oreal acquisition and afterwards. There are individuals on YT that I have seen that do use certain products from the CD line and do love them, which does include such very popular natural hair gurus such as "BeautyByLee" and "MoKnowsHair". Please know that there are natural hair gurus on YT that are ambassadors for certain curly brands themselves, so you may see them mainly using products from the line in which they happen to be an ambassador for. And, I have seen NC continuously send out new CD products to quite a great amount of curlies (of different ethnicities and hair types) on YT for them to use and review. Of course with any haircare line, there will be individuals whose hair will respond well to the products within it, while there will be individuals whose hair won't.

CD products are currently being sold in a number of retail outlets, which now actually includes Walgreens. I am not on Facebook, but I do know that CD has a large following on both Twitter and Instagram. And, CD products have both been featured in two very popular curly/natural hair subscription services-Curlbox and Curlkit a number of times already. Plus, CD is very popular on HSN, and Lisa Price is often seen on there promoting the CD line of products.

When CD products first became well known, I felt the products were quite pricey, and I just didn't know if they were really worth my trying. I actually decided to give their Original Hair Milk Leave In Moisturizer a try and was not impressed with it at all. It really didn't do much for my hair at all. Plus I thought that the smell wreaked of lemon pledge. It's smell would actually turn my stomach. So, for a number of years, I actually had written CD completely off and had no interest in trying their products at all. It wasn't until they had reformulated the ingredients to the Original Hair Milk Leave In Moisturizer, had made it's fragrance less strong and more pleasing and most importantly was offering it at a more affordable price, then that's what led me towards giving the CD line another try. I ended up liking the current formulation that's out and started buying and trying more products from the Hair Milk line to try on my hair. CD is surely not the only line of products that I use in my hair, but like anyone, when I find products that do work for my hair, I do stick with them.
Originally Posted by Reservechic
Thank you so much! There's so much I don't know about and this is definitely why I post on these boards... to get solid answers from people like you!

I noticed that you're a type 3 natural and the YT girls you mentioned also look like type 3s. Do you know of any type 4s that are CD ambassadors?

I think I'll definitely look into the Hair Milk line and since you mentioned there haven't been any changes in the formulation of their products I'm definitely going to revisit the Olive Oil Infusion.
I certainly do welcome you to go to the CD website (at your leisure) and do a thorough check of the ingredients listed for the products featured on the site. So, that way, you will know completely what is inside of each and every product, as well as how many ounces of product you will be receiving as well.

Also, I don't know all of the ambassadors or affiliates that exist for CD, or actually for any of the other curly hair brands. As, the natural hair community on YT is quite a large one. And, there are a lot of curly or natural hair brandsthat do reach out to quite a lot of naturals on YT to partner with. However, I can say that there are videos on the CD site that does show a variety of curlies of different ethnicities, hair types and hair textures shown in videos featured, either providing their personal testimonials, or product reviews+demos instead.
3B, low density, high porosity hair

SM Curl & Shine Shampoo
SM Curl & Shine Conditioner
SM JBCO Leave In Conditioner
Carol's Daughter Hair Milk Cleansing Conditioner
Marula Oil
Argan Oil
Coconut Oil
JBCO
Mixed Chicks Leave In Conditioners (Adult & Kids versions)
Camille Rose Naturals Curl Maker
Camille Rose Naturals Curlaide Moisture Butter
Camille Rose Naturals Almond Jai Twisting Butter
I bought 2 CD products starting in 2012, the last was early 2014. They're awful on my hair. The first was a Healthy Hair Butter that smelled liked Vick's Rub beeswax and did NOT emulsify and ended up ripping my hair out. The plus side is that I ultimately decided to not relax my hair again; the negative side is that even when natural, it was awful on my hair.

The second item was that Black Vanilla leave-in spray. It made my natural 4c--which is usually squishy and soft if moisturized properly--HARD AS A ROCK. And dry. It was like I'd poured alcohol onto my hair.

The products are not worth their price. I can get better results from $1 Blue Magic (and that's not to knock BM--I've used it in pinches).

And much like other companies that get bought into mega-global brands (Urban Decay), the purchase by L'Oreal did change my view of the company. For many people, they want to support not just the products but the reasoning and the people behind them. So again, in the example of Urban Decay, which was big on no animal cruelty, being bought by a brand that ultimately had animal testing in its background (this is the case if you do research on the total supply chain and industry/service members) caused conflict for some customers.

I imagine the same is true for consumers who want to support the ideologies behind women-owned and wholly black-owned businesses. When this dynamic is changed, some consumers will lose interest in the brand, especially if they were lukewarm on the products to begin with.

I myself am not overly brand/owner-focused. Still, I'd like to think that success for some companies doesn't depend on being bought out by someone else, so I may be that consumer who cares about who ultimately owns the brand I am buying.

Though, honestly, the products did not work on my hair, and the final straw was that the new marketing campaign that rubbed me in a very awful way with the obsession of "polyethnic" if only because it speaks to the level of ignorance about what the words "culture" or "ethnic" actually mean. I dislike very much the implication that one's ethnicity or culture is going to tell you what hair type you have, and further, that that's the people you are trying to bamboozle with your marketing. As a black woman, it made me feel exasperated that someone was still perpetuating this "mixed hair curl unicorn" nonsense; having two parents with different phenotypes or "races" does not produce the same result in hair/skin/eyes--I do not know how many times we need people to shout this from the mountains, but obviously it hasn't been enough. Lisa Price had a sit down interview with three different black women (two of whom who consider themselves mixed race) who admitted that their hair didn't even curl and for some reason, instead of highlighting women with curly, coily and kinky hair, it seemed to say--at least to me--that the hair she wanted to serve and highlight was that of anyone but blacks with kinky, coily and curly hair.

I'm a black woman. I have kinky hair. I would much prefer to buy from a company that actually likes that and is marketing to that without using masked colorism to do so.



Last Relaxer: 12/24/2012
Weekly Products I'm Using:
KCKT or SM JBCO Leave-In Conditioner
Grapeseed Oil
my hair is normal-ish porosity / dense / fine+medium strands
I agree with the above poster.
Carol's daughter changed when they started marketing their products to other races with looser textures.
Black women were their background and then that change and their products became crap, especially for women with coiler,kinkier textures.
I dont understand when black own businesses get popular,they sell out and forget the communuty that supported them from the start.
With any company, there will be hurdles that will be faced, whether they happen to be financial or not. Also, when you buy from any company, you are taking a chance. There are lots of products that may work for some, that definitely don't work for others. I buy products from businesses that are owned by individuals of different races. I am a multiracial sista, and I have bought products that were a total waste of money by Black owned businesses that I chose to support, as well as by non-black owned businesses that I have purchased from too. On the Carol's Daughter website, there are faces of hair models featured that are of different skin tones and hairtypes, along with styling and testimonial videos that consists of individuals that are of different skin tones, hairtypes, and hair textures as well. Plus, there are actual written reviews on the Carol's Daughter website that are made by individuals that come from different ethnic backgrounds themselves. Now, I have been watching Lisa Price ever since she started selling Carol's Daughter products on HSN, and the people that call in to rave over her products, come from a variety of ethnic backgrounds. She has always used hair models of different races during her shows to let viewers out there know that Carol's Daughter's products can be used on a variety of hairtypes, hair textures, and especially different ethnicities. And, the reviews that are on HSN's website for the products that she offers there, are made from people from different ethnic backgrounds. The customers that buy Carol's Daughter products doesn't consist of just one race and hasn't for quite some time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a company choosing to branch out and opting to have their products offered on a more diverse, as well as global level, so that way more and more individuals can have an opportunity to try the company's products. A company is in business to make a profit. Carol's Daughter is no different. Carol's Daughter was going through financial struggles due to decisions made that didn't end up being as profitable as they had hoped. they did undertake losses, in order to keep the business still in tact. Yes, bankruptcy was filed as well, which is standard in such cases. And, of course, the L'Oreal acquisition was made public not too far after that. L'Oreal is the top beauty brand in the world. They are not only behind Carol's Daughter, but a lot of other brands too, that millions of people shop from. Lisa Price was looking out for Carol's Daughter's long-term future, and her seeing her brand that she built that started within her very own kitchen, be around for many more years to come. The prices of the products are no longer as expensive as they once were, which was something that many had complained about-the prices for Carol's Daughter's products being on the expensive side and needing to be made more affordable. Yes, some of the sizes of the products that she has sold for years were downsized, which I know definitely does not agree with some people, which I find to be totally understandable. Also, there were products that Carol's Daughter had used to sell when they first opened up shop, that they choose to stop selling, that were favorites of quite a lot of people. Which I can understand, individuals being upset over as well. However, within any company, there will be decisions that will be made that quite a number of individuals definitely may not agree with. But, there are changes that go on within all companies, whether it happens to be price increases, products being discontinued, that people may question why they were discontinued, and so forth. I only buy and stick with the Carol's Daughter products that I have tried and that currently work for my hair. As, I am quite sure that not every Carol's Daughter product will work well for my hair, as I have yet to find any haircare brand, where I know that every product that they offer within it will actually work for my hair.

And, I must say, I personally have never seen Lisa Price act indifferent towards anyone, show special preference towards a certain color of individuals versus another, or display any type of favoritism over who she chooses to have represent or have affiliated with Carol's Daughter. Whenever she's questioned about her or her company publicly, she's always been open and honest, and has always acted in a humble way. She has totally addressed why she chose to file for bankruptcy, and she has totally addressed the acquisition of Carol's Daughter by L'Oreal in full. Plus, she is still working for the company just as hard as ever, and she did let everyone know that things were going to remain the same. The individuals that work for Carol's Daughter consists of a variety of different ethnic backgrounds, which is absolutely no different than Shea Moisture. Also, even though Shea Moisture began as a brand that started out originally being geared towards use on Black hair, especially Black individuals that wear their hair natural. In today's society, there are now quite a lot of White individuals that now use Shea Moisture products too. Shea Moisture is in business to make a profit too, and they are totally open to any race using their products, not just Blacks.
3B, low density, high porosity hair

SM Curl & Shine Shampoo
SM Curl & Shine Conditioner
SM JBCO Leave In Conditioner
Carol's Daughter Hair Milk Cleansing Conditioner
Marula Oil
Argan Oil
Coconut Oil
JBCO
Mixed Chicks Leave In Conditioners (Adult & Kids versions)
Camille Rose Naturals Curl Maker
Camille Rose Naturals Curlaide Moisture Butter
Camille Rose Naturals Almond Jai Twisting Butter

Last edited by Reservechic; 03-30-2015 at 07:03 PM.

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