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Hello all,

I am a frequent on again off again NC.com browser. I am here again because I find myself frustrated wtih my hair and wanting to relax it. I have been natural for about 3 years. My hair is a coily puff as I like to call it. Right now I use 2 conditioners Herbal Essences Healthy Curls and then, VO5 tea therapy then I use KCCC. I really do not like my BIG hair and for the most part the curls I have while my hair is wet go away when dry. Which is another thing my hair takes FOREVER to dry. Suggestions anyone for making my curls clump, become more defined, and stay once my hair dries. Please help before I texturize and then probably regret.

I made a hair album www.fotki.com/harimahs pw coilypuff.
Hi,

I hear ya. I felt that way last November/December when I first took out my braids. My hair was in bad shape.

The things that most improved my hair are weekly deep conditioning treatments and cutting off about one inch of damaged ends.

I'm not familiar with the conditioners that you mentioned. Do you shampoo? Do your conditioners contain silicone(s)?

ETA: My hair takes hours to dry also. It is just the nature of my hair, and I've learned to go about my day with wet hair.
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No Shampoo I havent used shampoo since I chopped. I have to look at the labels and see if they contain cones.
If you're following the CG method, it may be time for a clarifying treatment - ACV rinse or lemon-aid.

Is it possible that you're conditioning too often? Cond. rinses everyday may be too much for you hair. It was for me when I tried the CG method. I had to cut back to cond. washes twice a week and just rinsing (NOT followed by a conditioner application, just my styling products) on the days when I didn't do a cond. wash.

ETA: cyclopentosiloxane is also a silicone, and it is very difficult to remove.

Also, do you deep condition? Are your ends in good shape?
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kdcreigh 4a and b (who knows?)

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Hang in there, Harimahs. This natural hair thing takes time and patience. People talk about bad hair days - I had like two bad hair years! And even now its touch and go. Just remember you have to look in the mirror and be happy with self, so choose wisely.

And now for some help...try applying products in sections and comb thru gently to make sure all your hair is moisturized. Do you twist? Twists will certainly help with definition.

As for products - you may want to try Cantu Shea Butter Repair Cream. It really helps with moisture.

Hope this helps

Kimberlinda
Ok some more info. My ends are good I just got about an inch or so trimmed off about 2 weeks ago. I will do a rinse cause its been a while since I did the acv rinse. As far as oils and shea butter my hair does NOT like them. Not shea, not carrot, not olive, not avacado. My hair is softer and more manageable without them. The only twists I did on my hair were two strands and i would keep them in a few days and do a twist out. I do not like that too much because my hair would tangle and knot when it is time to take them out. Thank you all for posting the suggestions you have so far.

Oh yeah from what you can see on the pics can anyone take a stab at my hair type.
Looks like 4a with some 4b to me.
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kdcreigh 4a and b (who knows?)

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First off...your hair is lovely, thick and coily which I love
Only from one picture where its not blurry can I really see just how lovely it is. I think moisture is your issue, you need to use a leave in conditioner (moisture) a moisturizer (more moisture) and then something with moisture that will give you a little bit of hold once your hair dries.
There are a ton of things that will do that , but you need to test some stuff out.
I have coily hair also and I have found good results doing the above with Curls and with Blended Beauty products.
I wet my hair daily, just cuz I its easier to style that way and I DT once a week (with heat) and do a AVC rinse when my hair feels coated or not responding to products.
I agree with all your hair you should do the applying in sections , maybe you need some clips to make sure you can do that?
Lastly...I do all of my applying in the shower and then I let the steam set it and I shake it. My coils form better and then its all about drying. Once its almost dry ... I smooth a dab of whatever i have ....usually BB swirls and curls or a bit of jojoba for shine and that is it.
I think if coils are moist they stay...so I even moisturize overnight every night.
You can get samples of course of some stuff and see what works for you.
HG: WEN Sweet Almond
Ojon RT
Oils (jojoba, olive, sapote, carrot)
Kinky curly custard
Blended Beauty (new fave)
I will not chop my hair off in frustration this year. I will not..I promise, no braids, no braids, no chopping.
I did a baking soda mask yesterday and my hair feels "lighter." Today I put some honey in my conditioner and it helped a little but. So i did some examining of my hair and my hair in the front around my ears and nape of my neck is a lot curlier and softer. It seems to like what I am doing with it. But the hair in the middle is a lot more wirey. I think it has different styling needs especially with moisture.

I went to sallys and was overwelmed with the choices which by the way more than half the stuff I saw I wouldnt buy because the 2nd or 3rd ingrediant is mineral oil wich is not coming near my hair. I found myself lingering way to long in the relaxer section.
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I like to brush in fantasia Ic in sections with a denman brush for cluping and hold


Hair Type: small 3c patch in the center, mostly 4a with a patch of 4b at my temples
Shampoo: Suave daily clarifying ( when I feel that need)
Conditioners: AOHSR, MM, olive oil
Styler/Leave-in: SheaMoisture, Fantasia IC, HNS
Harimahs,

The hair that you describe as 'wirey' might be 4b hair. I assume that it doesn't curl, right? Most of us 4s have more than one texture.

If that is the case, the only way to get it to curl is to manually twirl or twist it.

By the way, if you decide to relax your hair don't feel bad. It's your hair and that decision is entirely up to you. Just make sure that you keep it moist.
YES WE CAN!

kdcreigh 4a and b (who knows?)

Relegated to occasional lurking in order to keep the PJ in check!


http://public.fotki.com/kdcreigh/
PW: natural
I also agree that you shouldnt feel bad about relaxing if that is your final choice. There are ALOT of females with healthy relaxed hair. I do suggest thought that you are patient and give it ALOT of thought. After being natural for 1.5 yrs. I hated the shrinkage and went to a salon for a texturizer which left my hair bone straight. I cried for a few days and HATED my hair everytime I saw it wet. It just look stringy and dead compared to the lively curls. And of course transitioning again for another year was def a learning experience. So Id def think about it for a few days b4 u just make a regretful decision at the spur of the moment.

Also you might want to try a diff styling product. I looove KCC, but when I use it. It takes the WHOLE day to dry and thats annoying. Alot of people like the fantasia IC gel have you tried that?
I tried the Fanctasia IC and did not like how it left my hair feeling. I think I am going to try a mineral softener. Who knows I big chopped 3 years ago and have been fussing with my hair ever since. Besides I am not scared to chop my hair off if it doesnt work out the way I want it to. I have been thinking about it for months now. Everytime I go to try a new product I sit looking at the softener for a while and am like hummm should I? I pick up the box read it over and over then put it back. I think I may be brave enough to try it. If I go though with it I will post results.
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I tried the Fanctasia IC and did not like how it left my hair feeling. I think I am going to try a mineral softener. Who knows I big chopped 3 years ago and have been fussing with my hair ever since. Besides I am not scared to chop my hair off if it doesnt work out the way I want it to. I have been thinking about it for months now. Everytime I go to try a new product I sit looking at the softener for a while and am like hummm should I? I pick up the box read it over and over then put it back. I think I may be brave enough to try it. If I go though with it I will post results.
Originally Posted by Harimahs
Hi!

I tried a mineral softner... and unfortunately it did nothing for my hair. I wanted to loosen the curl pattern slightly without destroying it. I guess I have tough curls because my hair laughed at that softner!
4a/4b... at this point, Henna has to be my friend, cause I've tried EVERYTHING else!!

Henna, Afro Detangler, KBB hair cream, Vitamin E oil, Qhemet AOHC, AND no more letting my hair dry curly... darn knots are driving me crazy!!

http://public.fotki.com/denisemounie/
your hair is quite beautiful. I wish mine had the thickness you have, but at my age and with perimenopausal hormone loss, that is not going to happen.

I condition my hair a lot. Moisturizing pre-shampoo treatments every week. Condition washes, then rinseout conditioners. Leave in conditioners. These do more for my texture than anything else.

My hair takes longer to dry with creams, dries faster when I use a leave in (Milkshake) and a moisturizing gel (Aubrey Organics Mandarin Magic Jelly). I find products with glycerin take longer to dry because the glycerin is sucking the moisture from everywhere. I tend toward creams in the cold weather and they also take longer to dry. A good gel helps to release water from my hair to the surface where I can "plop" or blot with a microfiber towel, t-shirt or paper towels. Creams hold water longer in my hair and that is what I need for winter.

I oil my hair lightly at night and moisturize it during the day. I use Sapote oil and Creamy Caffe Latte, boty Anita Grant products. Ihave also used pure coconut oil, or a mix of a light oil like coconut and castor oil. I'm talking a few drops only. Butters may also work. As a day finish on dry hair, I use a combo of Devacurl Set it Free and Blended Cutie Soft curls & Swirls, just a dab.

Starting out I styled my hair from wet as often as possible. Seemed to help. Starting out I could not get second day hair, dry or damp-styled. Then one day I was able to get 2nd day hair damp styled. And now I can get second day hair dry styled. It's a process I've been doing since June of last year.
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Playing with my hair is a hobby. Fluffy, fine natural 4a. Goal= Healthy, beautiful hair that retains its length.
Hear that crash? It's me falling off the CG wagon.
Harimahs,

I forgot to mention that I can only style my hair once, while it is soaking wet. If I touch it while it is drying, I lose my spiral definition.

That is my other piece of advice: don't touch it after you style it!!
YES WE CAN!

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