Go Back   CurlTalk > Hair > 4

Like Tree61Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-02-2011, 09:15 PM   #3541
 
ajna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 494
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by soleilmoncur View Post
I meant anything that can be found in a food store or in your cupboards!

I'm not able to order anything from online so I'm stuck with 200grams of henna and a need to get rid of this henna red color I have!
you can use ground cloves (which deepens the red), black tea, coffee either ground beans or strong liquid, red wine or walnut powder.
__________________
Hair Type: 3c/4a/4b, fine, normal porosity

http://public.fotki.com/Ajnamhuja/
ajna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2011, 10:53 AM   #3542
 
Marianneh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 70
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajna View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by soleilmoncur View Post
I meant anything that can be found in a food store or in your cupboards!

I'm not able to order anything from online so I'm stuck with 200grams of henna and a need to get rid of this henna red color I have!
you can use ground cloves (which deepens the red), black tea, coffee either ground beans or strong liquid, red wine or walnut powder.
From what I have read some of these are more temporary fixes and they wash away after a few washes but you could try using this. I would however advice to do sample tests and then try washing the strands with the shampoo/conditioner etc that you use and compare results. That way you can see how "long-term/temporary" it lasts so you are not left with even redder in case they do wash out.
Marianneh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2011, 02:01 PM   #3543
 
Marianneh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 70
Default Recent pics of my Henna-ed and Amla-ed hair

Hey ladies,

So I figured that I would share some of my recent hair pics! These were taken today. They are the results after my 4 henna applications and Amla treatment. Please forgive the messiness of my hair! I had them in a two strand twist for a few days and took them out. I am quite new to two strand twists so my twist outs are not very "pretty" yet (also I had done them on 3 day old hair so it wasn't pretty to start with...the twists were just for stay at home hair since we had a few days off work and I decided to be a lazy a** and stayed in ). I also hadn't separated the twists of my twist out so they are still clumped together in the pics and it does look a little…well you know . The pics are basically more for a view of the color, shine, and health rather than the style. When I compare the color of my hair after let’s say the 3rd and 4th henna treatments you can really tell the difference in how the Amla “cooled down” the redness.

P.S. I really LOVE Henna and Amla!


, , ,
Marianneh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 02:06 PM   #3544
 
GoddessLala's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 347
Default

@Marianneh: What messiness is there to forgive? Your hair is beautiful! Lovely twistout!
quietstorm likes this.
GoddessLala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2011, 01:25 AM   #3545
 
Marianneh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 70
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessLala View Post
@Marianneh: What messiness is there to forgive? Your hair is beautiful! Lovely twistout!
Hi GoddessLala,

Thank you very much for the compliment . I have seen some video's on youtube where girls had twistout's that looked like they just left the saloon...so I am hoping with practice I will get there. I am new to it so there are still area's that can be tweaked...but thanks again

I just looked at your hair journey pics below you post and my oh my do you have lovely hair..and a lot of it! You had amazing growth as well! Lovely!
GoddessLala likes this.

Last edited by Marianneh; 09-09-2011 at 01:28 AM.
Marianneh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2011, 08:42 PM   #3546
 
quietstorm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 148
Default

Well I just did my first two step process and I am disappointed. I was expecting a deep blue black but its just a brown. I also HATED rinsing out the indigo, mine was very crumbly and it was hard to apply. I'm assuming I made it too thick. I will try again in two weeks, maybe with a hendigo application first and then a full indigo application. Maybe that will be better. I desire the blackest black!!!


@Marianneh - Your hair looks great!
__________________
3c/4a mix with an annoying loose wavy area in crown.

Thick Strands, Medium Density, Normal Porosity
.

BC in Jan. 2009 after transitioning for about 2 yrs
.

Current Length: APL

Product Junkie
. I have tried it all... well almost.

I
♥ Ayurveda!
quietstorm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 03:36 AM   #3547
 
Marianneh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 70
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by quietstorm View Post
Well I just did my first two step process and I am disappointed. I was expecting a deep blue black but its just a brown. I also HATED rinsing out the indigo, mine was very crumbly and it was hard to apply. I'm assuming I made it too thick. I will try again in two weeks, maybe with a hendigo application first and then a full indigo application. Maybe that will be better. I desire the blackest black!!!


@Marianneh - Your hair looks great!
@Quietstorm,

Thank you!

I am not sure if you have already visited Henna for Hair but if not you might want to take a glance at the site and go to the forum link where you can post questions. I personally have never used indigo but there are a ton of women on the forum that have used the two step process to get jet black hair or used hendigo as well. I’ve posted a few links below that might be helpful but if you visit the site and join you can ask questions you will get responses very quickly (I have used their advice for my hair). In one of the post's that I read about using indigo some women find it hard to get indigo to bind to their hair and it can wash out quickly (a few weeks in some cases)..one advice that I read was to include Amla to the henna mix before the indigo is added to the hair. Amla apparently helps indigo bind to the hair and if you mix Amla with henna there is no need to add an acid as Amla acts as the acid.

Henna for Hair: How to dye your hair black with Indigo ... no chemicals
http://www.mehandi.com/shop/hairindigo/black.pdf
Henna for Hair

Hope this helps!
Marianneh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2011, 01:14 AM   #3548
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 143
Default

i havent hennaed in a long while but im doing an over night treatment now. its very simple, just nupur 9 herbs and water. cant wait to see how it turns out. i miss the thickness and process lol. i even missed the grassy smell of henna lol. i hope my hair comes out super darkand shiny. i plan on doing another treatment on sunday because i used to do hennas 2x a week and then 1x a month.
chebaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2011, 01:30 AM   #3549
 
greenandchic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,582
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chebaby View Post
i havent hennaed in a long while but im doing an over night treatment now. its very simple, just nupur 9 herbs and water. cant wait to see how it turns out. i miss the thickness and process lol. i even missed the grassy smell of henna lol. i hope my hair comes out super darkand shiny. i plan on doing another treatment on sunday because i used to do hennas 2x a week and then 1x a month.
Wow! 2x a week - that's a lot of hennaing! LOL I started doing it every other week and wonder if its necessary, but I love the process, and even the smell. We'll see how it goes in another month or too.
__________________
APL BSL MBL WL HL TBL | porous, fine/medium strands, medium density
My Fotki!
Below: Typical PS bun
greenandchic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2011, 08:36 AM   #3550
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 143
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greenandchic View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by chebaby View Post
i havent hennaed in a long while but im doing an over night treatment now. its very simple, just nupur 9 herbs and water. cant wait to see how it turns out. i miss the thickness and process lol. i even missed the grassy smell of henna lol. i hope my hair comes out super darkand shiny. i plan on doing another treatment on sunday because i used to do hennas 2x a week and then 1x a month.
Wow! 2x a week - that's a lot of hennaing! LOL I started doing it every other week and wonder if its necessary, but I love the process, and even the smell. We'll see how it goes in another month or too.
yea i think curly nikki started off with 2x a week the first week to jump start the benefits. i think, i cant really remember lol.
i just got finished rinsing the henna out with tresemme and my hair feels soft. it didnt take long to rinse at all.
chebaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2011, 10:37 AM   #3551
 
greenandchic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,582
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chebaby View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenandchic View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by chebaby View Post
i havent hennaed in a long while but im doing an over night treatment now. its very simple, just nupur 9 herbs and water. cant wait to see how it turns out. i miss the thickness and process lol. i even missed the grassy smell of henna lol. i hope my hair comes out super darkand shiny. i plan on doing another treatment on sunday because i used to do hennas 2x a week and then 1x a month.
Wow! 2x a week - that's a lot of hennaing! LOL I started doing it every other week and wonder if its necessary, but I love the process, and even the smell. We'll see how it goes in another month or too.
yea i think curly nikki started off with 2x a week the first week to jump start the benefits. i think, i cant really remember lol.
i just got finished rinsing the henna out with tresemme and my hair feels soft. it didnt take long to rinse at all.
It never takes me long to rinse my henna either - as long as its BAQ henna.
__________________
APL BSL MBL WL HL TBL | porous, fine/medium strands, medium density
My Fotki!
Below: Typical PS bun
greenandchic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2011, 12:02 AM   #3552
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 143
Default

next im going to use jamila BAQ henna that ive had for a while and never used. i think ill wait until next week though because i want to see how this color changes.
chebaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2011, 01:26 PM   #3553
 
GoddessLala's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 347
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marianneh View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessLala View Post
@Marianneh: What messiness is there to forgive? Your hair is beautiful! Lovely twistout!
Hi GoddessLala,

Thank you very much for the compliment . I have seen some video's on youtube where girls had twistout's that looked like they just left the saloon...so I am hoping with practice I will get there. I am new to it so there are still area's that can be tweaked...but thanks again

I just looked at your hair journey pics below you post and my oh my do you have lovely hair..and a lot of it! You had amazing growth as well! Lovely!
Thanks! This week, I plan on ordering henna and indigo to (hopefully) achieve the jet-black/blue-black hair. I'm thinking of applying henna/indigo to my hair twice a week at most for a month in order to jumpstart the benefits. Maybe, we'll see, considering I'm a full-time college student (senior status, summer graduation!) I'll definitely keep you guys up to date.
GoddessLala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 09:44 AM   #3554
 
Ogo'm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 239
Default

I tried henna for the first time last weekend. My hair is medium-coarse and coarse in most places, and I also have some medium-fine strands in the back. I do a light protein treatment (CJ Deep Fix or Live Clean Bali) once every other month, but that didn't seem to be enough for the medium-fine strands. I started seeing some breakage in that section.

Mixture: I had read on the henna thread that a good way to jumpstart the benefits was to do two treatments back-to-back. I used only one box (100 grams) for both treatments. I mixed the henna with hibiscus tea about 12 hours before I used it. Just before slathering it on my hair, each time I mixed the dye-released henna with conditioner and oils. The first day, I didn't measure and got a drippy mess. The second day, I used half a cup of conditioner, a tablespoon each of grapeseed and JBCO, and two tablespoons of honey.

Results: The first day, I left it in for about 5 hours and my hair felt a little dryish. I should have stopped there, but I thought "in for a penny, in for a pound" and kept going. I did an overnight DC and it felt better before I did the second treatment. After the second treatment, which I ended up leaving it in for about 12 hours because I had some errands to run and a barbecue to attend. When I rinsed it out, my hair was so dry. I steamed for a total of 60 minutes and it felt a little better. Every morning this week, I slathered on my co-wash conditioner, covered it with a plastic cap, and put on a baseball cap before heading for my run. By Thursday my hair felt normal. Not dry and retaining moisture all day.

My hair feels heavier and stronger. My curls are tighter similar to when I do a protein treatment. All in all, I like the increased strength of my strands. I didn't notice much difference in frizz the first day, but I haven't struggled with frizz as much this week. My hair is only 6 inches so detangling has never really been a problem so no changes there.

I would do it again in about a month or so. This time, I will only use about 25 grams of henna mixed with equal amounts of amla and brahmi (the only two I can find at my local Indian grocer) for about 50 grams of herbs in total. I will mix in conditioner, oils, and honey as I did before.

I know people have had success with adding coconut milk and I was wondering if I can add about a tablespoon of my light protein conditioner to this mix. I know henna mimics protein, but since it is not protein does my hair still need to get actual protein?
Ogo'm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 07:31 AM   #3555
 
Marianneh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 70
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ogoma View Post

I know people have had success with adding coconut milk and I was wondering if I can add about a tablespoon of my light protein conditioner to this mix. I know henna mimics protein, but since it is not protein does my hair still need to get actual protein?
Yay another henna fan.

I had the same question regarding the protein part and I found out that it really depends on your own hair type and how it will react to having protein added to your henna treatment. I have done a henna gloss whereby instead of using solely conditioner (which many people use for a gloss) i mixed it in part with coconut milk and the other conditioner. I did this because my hair loves anything coconut. And my results were that my hair loved the mixture!



My hair is somewhat protein sensitive in that if I get overly obsessed with my hair by doing my DIY treatments (which I can get a little carried away with) I usually can tell. But with the coconut and conditioner mix my hair loved it. I would say if you know you are extremely protein sensitive then I would be a little cautious. But the only way I can thinking of finding out if you should use it is to try it for yourself because everyone’s hair's different.

Good luck!
Marianneh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 04:53 PM   #3556
 
Ogo'm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 239
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marianneh View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by ogoma View Post

I know people have had success with adding coconut milk and I was wondering if I can add about a tablespoon of my light protein conditioner to this mix. I know henna mimics protein, but since it is not protein does my hair still need to get actual protein?
Yay another henna fan.

I had the same question regarding the protein part and I found out that it really depends on your own hair type and how it will react to having protein added to your henna treatment. I have done a henna gloss whereby instead of using solely conditioner (which many people use for a gloss) i mixed it in part with coconut milk and the other conditioner. I did this because my hair loves anything coconut. And my results were that my hair loved the mixture!



My hair is somewhat protein sensitive in that if I get overly obsessed with my hair by doing my DIY treatments (which I can get a little carried away with) I usually can tell. But with the coconut and conditioner mix my hair loved it. I would say if you know you are extremely protein sensitive then I would be a little cautious. But the only way I can thinking of finding out if you should use it is to try it for yourself because everyone’s hair's different.

Good luck!
Thank you! I will try it and see.
Ogo'm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 07:21 PM   #3557
 
SusieSuze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 515
Default

Wow! I never thought of putting conditioner into the henna mix. I do have a difficult time with tangles after a treatment so if this really works and does not hamper the deposit of pigments into your hair, well then, fabulous!

I had to resort to using conditioner after my last treatment, but am always reluctant as I know that conditioner, being a bit more acidic can actually cause what is called the 'tea effect'.. lightening caused by acidity as a squeeze of lemon lightens tea.

I have no idea if this is the case with Henna and have not done any research.

I just had a fabulous hair day (yay!) AND it was sunny out so I finally took a pic..

I can thank Garnier for their fabulous styling cream..
click the thumbnail to zoom.

Experiences with Henna?-curls.jpg
Jo Somebody and Marianneh like this.

Last edited by SusieSuze; 10-09-2011 at 07:36 PM.
SusieSuze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2011, 02:41 PM   #3558
 
Marianneh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 70
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SusieSuze View Post
Wow! I never thought of putting conditioner into the henna mix. I do have a difficult time with tangles after a treatment so if this really works and does not hamper the deposit of pigments into your hair, well then, fabulous!

I had to resort to using conditioner after my last treatment, but am always reluctant as I know that conditioner, being a bit more acidic can actually cause what is called the 'tea effect'.. lightening caused by acidity as a squeeze of lemon lightens tea.

I have no idea if this is the case with Henna and have not done any research.

I just had a fabulous hair day (yay!) AND it was sunny out so I finally took a pic..

I can thank Garnier for their fabulous styling cream..
click the thumbnail to zoom.

Attachment 16209
Hi SusieSuze,

First of all OMG I LOVE LOVE LOVE your hair! Those curls are absolutely beautiful! And what a stunning color!!! Is that purely from using pure henna??!? WOW!!! it is very fierce!!

Generally people use henna gloss's (conditioner) when they want to dilute the henna color uptake or if they feel their color needs a little "vomp" without having the total color effect of henna. From what I have heard using conditioner can also reduce some "goodness" effects (strength, shine, etc) of henna simply because conditioners can contain traces of ingredients (such as oils) that can coat the hair therefore not really letting the "pores" absorb all of the henna "goodness". On the hennaforhair website some of the forum admin’s suggest that newbie’s can start of all with a henna gloss if they are a little wary of the red/orange color from henna and then they can work their way up to a full henna treatment.

About the acidity in conditioner I know that some ladies actually use lemon juice to get dye release from the henna (the juice is usually diluted in water since it can be too acidic). For people whose hair detests lemon juice (such as myself) it is substituted for apple juice, or even orange juice, or else tea (to name a few). I read that there isn’t really a difference in the outcome of the color when lemon juice is used but some ladies say that the color tends to last longer and deeper than if simple water was used for example.
Marianneh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 10:46 AM   #3559
 
SusieSuze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 515
Default


Thanks for the compliments and information, Marianneh! I will definitely NOT be adding conditioner to the mix! I thought more about using conditioner afterwards.. does anyone know if this is a really bad idea?

The henna I used last time was 100% henna. My first 2 treatments were a different brand that also had some conditioning herbs (alma, etc). I did not notice a difference in shade, but did like using the one with the added herbs better. My hair just felt nicer immediately after the treatment.

I originally had permanent hair colour that had about 3 inches of growth that had been covered with semi-permanent only. The ends were about a level 8, and the roots a level 7. Of course then there is the new growth which has lots of level 10--- white! So my base levels are all over the place, but are not dark.

I was shocked that the henna covered gray sooo well. I was also shocked and totally relieved that the flaming orange results on my white hairs mellows out to the perfect shade within a few short days.

It's henna from now on for me. I am thinking one day soon, though, my age will look ridiculous with such bright hair. I'll need to add indigo to the mix for a more brown result I guess.
SusieSuze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2011, 03:12 AM   #3560
 
Marianneh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 70
Default

@SusieSuze,

Ahhh you meant putting conditioner after a henna treatment. This
is actually encouraged! After initially loosening the henna from the hair with water it is engouraged to use conditioner (a few times or untill the water runs clear). This is why it is best to get some cheap conditioner so that you’re not wasting money on expensive stuff that just gets washed away in a few seconds. The conditioner not only clings to the henna and lets it slip off your hair but it also helps with the process of getting your hair soft. A lot of people feel that their hair gets dry after henna. It is also recommended to do a DT after washing and removing all of the henna so that moisture is restored to the hair…esp if it feels hard. Once henna is in the hair it's there to stay (which is a good thing IMO) it's not like a dye whereby washing it will "wash out" the color. I know of some ladies that will actually use shampoo to help wash the henna "mud" off their hair.

Some people really have issued with washing out the henna (I do). So I have come up with a solution whereby once I have reached the amount of time I want the henna to sit in my hair I take off the Clingfilm and take a good dollop of conditioner and very very gently smoosh it on my hair (with the henna still on it before I wash it with water). I actually just coat my hair with the conditioner and do not manipulate it at all. I put on a disposable shower cap (the kind you get at hotels) and let this sit for a few mins. Then I start the process of letting the water help remove the henna. I repeat putting conditioner and washing at least 2 times till the water runs clear.

Before I started with henna I had a head full of different toned/dyed hair. I never really noticed how crazy it looked till I took a photo of my hair from the top of my head under direct light! So I put in a semi permanent dye w/o ammonium (adviced by the pros on hennaforhair) to try and get a unified look. Then I started with henna and recently tried amla. It is supposed to "tone down" the redness as well as have additional conditioning and strengthening benefits. The toning down is nothing extreme so it will not “remove” the red/orange tint from henna just make it a tiny bit “less red”. Some ladies have said that they do not notice the toning down at all. It also helps to restore curls as some people feel that henna has “loosened” their curls which I think has started to happen to the hair on the nap of my neck which has always been a little looser than the rest.


I have an amla Friday day coming up!

Last edited by Marianneh; 10-12-2011 at 03:17 AM.
Marianneh is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Trending Topics[-]hide

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com