Experiences with Henna?

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Thanks SBB. I was worried about my hair curling b/c it does more of a wave thing than a curl thing. I was thinking maybe when the relaxed ends were cut it wouldn't have all the weight of the relaxed hair to hold it down.
I'm struggling with styling my combo hair. Strangely enough the natural hair is softer and less tangled than the relaxed hair. I just don't want to put any heat on it right now.
Thanks again, your opinion was a big help.
if luvin KCKT and KCCC is wrong I don't wanna b right

sell crazy somewhere else...we're all stocked up here.
Welcome Momo7, and thanks for the compliment . I don't think you have to worry about cassia and it's dye. It can release a golden dye, but I believe you need to mix it with something acidic and let it sit to really get it. And like Jeamaria said, it only shows up on blond and white hair.

Curlynikki - Am I mistaken, or does your hair appear to be more brown?
Originally Posted by spiral-nc

Oh yea, CurlyNikkie, I just sent you a pm!!! Thank you so much for your help!!!!

Spiral:
No problem. I like to give credit where it is due!!! I may try Cassia by doing the henna process.....only the part where I leave it in for 12 hours. (I always fall alseep when I do DT that's y I wanna b certain it's safe to leave this stuff in like that) . I will do the hair form hairbrush test first then try it on my actual hair.

I spoke to Catherine and she said Cassia doesn't give the elongation effect. In addition, she also said that the Amla/Emblica officinalis doesn't help hair growth when I begged to differ after looking it up. Anyway, changing the subject, I'm thinking, that the henna isn't what gives the elongation effect. After doing a little research, I found that it is the weight of the henna in combination with the 12 hours the henna is left in the hair (after several treatments) that may cause elongation for some. So, I figure that if I use Cassia Obovata (which I assume has alot of weight to it similar to the henna) and leave it in my hair for 12 hours (after several treatments) that maybe I to can experience the elongation effects.

NEWAYZ, my mind is spinning right now! lol I hope everything came out clearly. I am just going to order some of the stuff now (CassiaO) and do my own experimenting to see what works best for me! Thanks everyone! Thank you Nikkie!!!
Originally Posted by momo7
Interesting point Momo about the elongation factor because the day I rinsed out Cassia my curls were def looser. After wetting it a few times its almost back to normal. But curlies that hennaed the first time mentioned they experienced the same.

I dont know about Amla helping hair growth but its made my hair really soft and easy to detangle. So maybe the fact that it keeps the hair on your head instead of on the comb is the growth or thickening factor.

I forgot to add Amla is a great face mask. For those women that expressed problems with acne or skin irritations in the skin care blog. I smeared the left over Amla from my treatment on my face. And it left a pretty glow to it. I felt like it purged some of my tzone as well.

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Foxycus02 wrote:

Interesting point Momo about the elongation factor because the day I rinsed out Cassia my curls were def looser. After wetting it a few times its almost back to normal. But curlies that hennaed the first time mentioned they experienced the same.

I dont know about Amla helping hair growth but its made my hair really soft and easy to detangle. So maybe the fact that it keeps the hair on your head instead of on the comb is the growth or thickening factor.

I forgot to add Amla is a great face mask. For those women that expressed problems with acne or skin irritations in the skin care blog. I smeared the left over Amla from my treatment on my face. And it left a pretty glow to it. I felt like it purged some of my tzone as well.


My reply:

Wow, cool!!! How long did you leave the Cassis in?

Your point about Amla makes ALOT OF SENSE! I didn't think of it that way!

I've been reading positive reviews about Amla being used as a face mask! Darn it!!!!! I already made my order on mehandi.com!!!!! Maybe I'll scoop some of that stuff up for my face during my next Cassia purchase!!!

Thanks
This is kinda off topic, but I was wondering where I could find an inexpensive sulfate free shampoo. I purchased the Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose Shampoo yesterday after hearing good things about it but I felt kind of ripped off b/c it cost me about $9!!!!!! I know that Nikkie uses the Creme of Nature one and the price is right up my alley, $3!!! However, when I use stuff with balsam type ingredients in it, it seems to give me an itchy/flaky scalp!!!
I 4got to mention that I used to use VO5...it was very drying/stripping and felt like I was using detergent!!!! Also, I have been using Pantene ProV hydrating Curls Shampoo for the past year and I recently ceased using it b/c my hair had been gradually falling out in clumps worse and worse after each use (my brother's and mother's as well). It's like playing lottery when I use that shampoo b/c sometimes it makes my hair soft, while other times it feels so rough. I would gather that all these things from both shampoos was a result of the sulfates.
Anyway, I am in search for a sulfate free shampoo ($6 or cheaper)!!! If anyone could help, I'd greatly appreciate it! Thanks
I left it on overnight just for hoots & giggles. I want to leave the amla longer althought it did a great job in under 30 minutes.
I own the AO HSR its ok I want to try the Rosa Mosqueta one though. Im not sure that there are many sulfate free shampoos in the $3 range. I forget they even make shampoos in that range anymore since I cant remember the last time I picked up a Pantene or HE product.
Now creme of nature, I think its a hit or miss. At first I thought great product then it did something nasty to my hair where it built up so bad once wet I couldnt even stick a finger through it. And not one conditioner worked with it. Thank God for this board when someone recommended to do a baking soda clarifying treatment. Since then I cant bring myself to even look at CON...but some curlies love it.

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Spiral, it depends on the lighting, lol. Henna has my hair doing some interesting things. The color under normal lighting is auburny/brown/black. In the sun, all of my hair (even the parts that weren't previously highlighted) has an auburn overcast. Amazing Even indoors, in the right lighting (i.e. backlighting like in banquet rooms and bathrooms, etc.) my hair is auburn. The red highlights haven't changed color since the 3rd or 4th henna treatment, but they're definitely more auburn than red or burgundy.
Originally Posted by curlynikki
All those colors are pretty -- you must catch people staring at your hair all the time.
Originally Posted by dsg-girly&curly
Thanks!
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I left it on overnight just for hoots & giggles. I want to leave the amla longer althought it did a great job in under 30 minutes.
I own the AO HSR its ok I want to try the Rosa Mosqueta one though. Im not sure that there are many sulfate free shampoos in the $3 range. I forget they even make shampoos in that range anymore since I cant remember the last time I picked up a Pantene or HE product.
Now creme of nature, I think its a hit or miss. At first I thought great product then it did something nasty to my hair where it built up so bad once wet I couldnt even stick a finger through it. And not one conditioner worked with it. Thank God for this board when someone recommended to do a baking soda clarifying treatment. Since then I cant bring myself to even look at CON...but some curlies love it.
Originally Posted by foxycus02
I was doing some more reading and found that, although baby shampoos don't do a great job of clarifying, a large amount of them are sulfate free. Maybe I'll try a cheap baby shampoo and clarify my hair occasionally. I also read that I could clarify w/ a bs by washing w/ it about 3x. I dunno, I shall c!!
I was looking on your site but I don't know if I saw any curly pics...do you have any?
Natashamck and Talisa, I definitely want to hear about and/or see your results! ...
Originally Posted by curlynikki
OK - so I ordered my cassia around the end of September. It arrived a few days later, and I just got around to mixing and applying last night.

I'm not sure if I did it right, because I don't really see that much of a difference in my hair. I used 100g for my whole head. I mixed it with water only and let it sit for about half an hour (the package said to let it sit for 15 minutes) Then I applied it and let it sit on my hair for over an hour (the package said 45 minutes). I rinsed it out, then DT'd with Elucence MBC.

My hair is soft, but not that much softer. And I don't have that "Baby doll hair" shine that everyone else seems to be getting. I still have two 100g bags that haven't been opened so I plan on trying it again.

Any suggestions on how to get better results? Should I leave it on longer?
mostly coarse texture, normal porosity... I think?
HG: Generic Matrix Biolage, KCCC, KCKT, CBSS WSHP
And I've finally ordered the henna. After reading about everyone's great results I can't wait to try it. Hopefully I won't mess it up and stain my bathroom orange.

I'm pretty excited about it. I'm going away so I probably won't do it until early Dec. I'm excited!
Hopefully I won't mess it up and stain my bathroom orange.
Good luck w/ that. I dropped some on my floor and I couldn't pick it up w/ my henna hands and my fingernails r still orange.
if luvin KCKT and KCCC is wrong I don't wanna b right

sell crazy somewhere else...we're all stocked up here.
I left it on overnight just for hoots & giggles. I want to leave the amla longer althought it did a great job in under 30 minutes.
I own the AO HSR its ok I want to try the Rosa Mosqueta one though. Im not sure that there are many sulfate free shampoos in the $3 range. I forget they even make shampoos in that range anymore since I cant remember the last time I picked up a Pantene or HE product.
Now creme of nature, I think its a hit or miss. At first I thought great product then it did something nasty to my hair where it built up so bad once wet I couldnt even stick a finger through it. And not one conditioner worked with it. Thank God for this board when someone recommended to do a baking soda clarifying treatment. Since then I cant bring myself to even look at CON...but some curlies love it.
Originally Posted by foxycus02
I was doing some more reading and found that, although baby shampoos don't do a great job of clarifying, a large amount of them are sulfate free. Maybe I'll try a cheap baby shampoo and clarify my hair occasionally. I also read that I could clarify w/ a bs by washing w/ it about 3x. I dunno, I shall c!!
I was looking on your site but I don't know if I saw any curly pics...do you have any?
Originally Posted by momo7
Baby Shampoos might work and BS does work as well. But I wouldnt repeat it 3times. Did you look on my fotki? Or on my myspace?
On my fotki most of my pics are curly.
On my myspace I have images from all over the place but if you look in the PR one or Belmar beach one or BBDO going away my hair is natural.

rockin' to the tune of her own beat...



I left it on overnight just for hoots & giggles. I want to leave the amla longer althought it did a great job in under 30 minutes.
I own the AO HSR its ok I want to try the Rosa Mosqueta one though. Im not sure that there are many sulfate free shampoos in the $3 range. I forget they even make shampoos in that range anymore since I cant remember the last time I picked up a Pantene or HE product.
Now creme of nature, I think its a hit or miss. At first I thought great product then it did something nasty to my hair where it built up so bad once wet I couldnt even stick a finger through it. And not one conditioner worked with it. Thank God for this board when someone recommended to do a baking soda clarifying treatment. Since then I cant bring myself to even look at CON...but some curlies love it.
Originally Posted by foxycus02
I was doing some more reading and found that, although baby shampoos don't do a great job of clarifying, a large amount of them are sulfate free. Maybe I'll try a cheap baby shampoo and clarify my hair occasionally. I also read that I could clarify w/ a bs by washing w/ it about 3x. I dunno, I shall c!!
I was looking on your site but I don't know if I saw any curly pics...do you have any?
Originally Posted by momo7
Baby Shampoos might work and BS does work as well. But I wouldnt repeat it 3times. Did you look on my fotki? Or on my myspace?
On my fotki most of my pics are curly.
On my myspace I have images from all over the place but if you look in the PR one or Belmar beach one or BBDO going away my hair is natural.
Originally Posted by foxycus02

I just saw your pics, thanks. I dunno y I kept clicking on your myspace, lol. Your hair is pretty. You are such a cutie wit a booty I wish I had lol, u have a BAD shape gurl!!!! o yea, I saw your cassia pics and I was SO SHOCKED that your curls were w/o products. My jaw literally dropped!!! It kinda reminded me of when I saw this other gurl's fotki, Natural Remedy, who can pull off wearing her hair w/o any product in it @ all!!! I can't wait for that day, or @ least the day when I can put a dab on and go! another thing I was wondering....what is Shikakai?
Oddly enough, the baby shampoos that I came across had some kind of sulfate in it. However, I think I saw one with Sodium Trideceth Sulfate, but I don't know if it acts like those other harmful sulfates!!! Oh well, lol, it seems as though I'll have to just stick with the AO HSR shampoo. I'll just use it VERY sparingly!!
Should there still be henna discoloring my towels almost a week after I hennaed my hair.
if luvin KCKT and KCCC is wrong I don't wanna b right

sell crazy somewhere else...we're all stocked up here.
Momo, I've noticed that the henna does such an excellent job of 'cleaning' the hair (damn near strippin' it) that I rarely use shampoo anymore. I haven't shampoo'ed at all this month and maybe only twice last month. When I did, I used CON. I also bought Avalon Organics Peppermint (don't know the real name) shampoo and it stripped my hair something horrible. The henna seems to keep my scalp healthy and squeaky clean and since my products aren't harsh and don't build-up, I don't see the need to shampoo too often. I'm thinking of using CON once a month and doing a clarifying shampoo whenever I need one...but if things continue as they are now, I may never need one.

Natashamck, remember, the effects of henna/cassia are cumulative. People on hennaforhair.com rec' using cassia 2 or 3 times in a row to help it to 'get started' and for the effects to begin to show. Do your next treatment soon, and order some more! When I used Cassia, I added honey and a little olive oil and had great results...not as good as henna, but close. Good luck!
The Blog: www.curlynikki.com

I left it on overnight just for hoots & giggles. I want to leave the amla longer althought it did a great job in under 30 minutes.
I own the AO HSR its ok I want to try the Rosa Mosqueta one though. Im not sure that there are many sulfate free shampoos in the $3 range. I forget they even make shampoos in that range anymore since I cant remember the last time I picked up a Pantene or HE product.
Now creme of nature, I think its a hit or miss. At first I thought great product then it did something nasty to my hair where it built up so bad once wet I couldnt even stick a finger through it. And not one conditioner worked with it. Thank God for this board when someone recommended to do a baking soda clarifying treatment. Since then I cant bring myself to even look at CON...but some curlies love it.
Originally Posted by foxycus02
I was doing some more reading and found that, although baby shampoos don't do a great job of clarifying, a large amount of them are sulfate free. Maybe I'll try a cheap baby shampoo and clarify my hair occasionally. I also read that I could clarify w/ a bs by washing w/ it about 3x. I dunno, I shall c!!
I was looking on your site but I don't know if I saw any curly pics...do you have any?
Originally Posted by momo7
Baby Shampoos might work and BS does work as well. But I wouldnt repeat it 3times. Did you look on my fotki? Or on my myspace?
On my fotki most of my pics are curly.
On my myspace I have images from all over the place but if you look in the PR one or Belmar beach one or BBDO going away my hair is natural.
Originally Posted by foxycus02

I just saw your pics, thanks. I dunno y I kept clicking on your myspace, lol. Your hair is pretty. You are such a cutie wit a booty I wish I had lol, u have a BAD shape gurl!!!! o yea, I saw your cassia pics and I was SO SHOCKED that your curls were w/o products. My jaw literally dropped!!! It kinda reminded me of when I saw this other gurl's fotki, Natural Remedy, who can pull off wearing her hair w/o any product in it @ all!!! I can't wait for that day, or @ least the day when I can put a dab on and go! another thing I was wondering....what is Shikakai?
Originally Posted by momo7
Cutie with a booty! I gotta remember to tell myself that next time I'm shopping for pants

Yea the Cassia results were amazing the first day that was with AO HSR, looked great felt a bit coated. But I do use less product now than before the treatment. I cant wait for the treatments to follow.

Shikakai is a cleansing herb used in india. It is made into a paste like henna applied to hair and rinsed off.

I'm limiting my products slowly one day I wanna spray water and walk out siiike!

Nikki, do you not shampoo before applying the Henna?

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My hair is soft, but not that much softer. And I don't have that "Baby doll hair" shine that everyone else seems to be getting. I still have two 100g bags that haven't been opened so I plan on trying it again.

Any suggestions on how to get better results? Should I leave it on longer?
Originally Posted by natashamck
i noticed a bigger difference after a second treatment. instead of using honey, i mixed in a full fat greek style yogurt (can't recall name at the time).

i also have less shedding. i usually keep the cassia in my head for an hour and make sure you use enough product.
Life shrinks or expands according to one's courage. Anais Nin
I purchased the Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose Shampoo yesterday after hearing good things about it but I felt kind of ripped off b/c it cost me about $9!!!!!! ......

Anyway, I am in search for a sulfate free shampoo ($6 or cheaper)!!! If anyone could help, I'd greatly appreciate it! Thanks
Originally Posted by momo7
if the shampoo works, what is 3 more dollars? also, how much shampoo are you using and how often do you wash? the AO bottle should last a good 4 or 6 months...maybe longer.

i use john masters organic evening primrose shampoo for dry hair. it is $16, but i have it had it for 6 months(?) give or take and i have barely used the bottle. the bottle should last me until june or july 2008. i shampoo twice a week, but i only have to use a teaspoon, maybe 2 teaspoons per use. i could go longer without shampooing (i conditioner wash daily), but my hair looks better if i lightly shampoo at least once a week.


here are the ingredients:
Made from the gentlest corn and coconut cleansers, and infused with conditioning plant extracts and essential oils, this shampoo will gently wash away dirt without over stripping the hair shaft. Safe for color-treated hair.

Aqua (purified, deionized water), decyl glucoside,** sodium lauroamphoacetate, babassuamidopropyl betaine (organic babassu palm fruit derived),** sodium lauroampho-acetate, behenamidopropyl hydroxyethyl dimonium chloride (rapeseed oil derived), hydrolyzed wheat protein & starch, panthenol (vitamin B), hyaluronic, linoleic & linolenic acid, sorbitol (organic humectant), triticum vulgare (wheat germ) oil,* simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil,* tocopherol (vitamin E), sulfur, essential oil of oenothera biennis (evening primrose),* sodium PCA (veg. moisturizer), aloe barbadensis (aloe vera) gel,* vegetable glycerine, sodium hyaluronate, pentaerythrityl tetrastearate (soy conditioner), wheat & soy amino acids, arginine & serine & threonine (natural amino acids), yucca glauca (yucca) extract,* essential oil of cananga odorata (ylang ylang),* citrus paradisi (grapefruit),* citrus limon (lemon),* pogoestemon patchouli (patchouli),* pelargonium graveolens (geranium),* cymbopogon martinii (palmarosa),* vanillosmopsis erythropappa (candeia)* & santalum album (sandalwood),* caramel, gluconolactone, sodium benzoate, lonicera japonica (Japanese honeysuckle)


Life shrinks or expands according to one's courage. Anais Nin
Momo, I've noticed that the henna does such an excellent job of 'cleaning' the hair (damn near strippin' it) that I rarely use shampoo anymore. I haven't shampoo'ed at all this month and maybe only twice last month. When I did, I used CON. I also bought Avalon Organics Peppermint (don't know the real name) shampoo and it stripped my hair something horrible. The henna seems to keep my scalp healthy and squeaky clean and since my products aren't harsh and don't build-up, I don't see the need to shampoo too often. I'm thinking of using CON once a month and doing a clarifying shampoo whenever I need one...but if things continue as they are now, I may never need one.
Originally Posted by curlynikki
I sooo feel you on all of this. I used to clarify before henna, but as long as my hair is clean - and my clarifying conditioner does that just fine - I don't think there's a need. The only shampoo I keep now is a small bottle of CON to use once in a while.
spirals, kinks, s-shapes and coils.

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Nikkie: that's good to know. I think I need to cut back on the shampoo too. I couldn't help but notice under your message that 1 of you HGs is
Aubrey Organics Mandarin Magic Hair Jelly. Do you have any pics of results using this? No more HE be gel? lol

Foxy: so u used AO HSR conditioner after you rinsed out the cassia? where could I buy shikakai, and does it color the hair?

Windflower: thank you very much for that info. I really do need to cut back on my shampoo use and do co washes like I used to. I haven't done a co wash in like a year so I got alot of catchin' up 2 do.

THANX EVERYONE!!!!

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