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it had to be the oil because up until that point I didn't get the orange tinted water. So is oil always supposed to rinse out henna regardless of how long it has been since you last hennaed? If that's the case, do you guys lighten your henna evertime you dt? getting it all out can be a challenge for me, I don't shampoo and I have a lot of really thick hair.
So is oil always supposed to rinse out henna regardless of how long it has been since you last hennaed?

The question is kinda confusing to me. I never knew oil rinses out henna. I wash mine out with VO5 conditioner.

If that's the case, do you guys lighten your henna evertime you dt?

This question is also confusing to me.
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I did my 3rd henna 2day. This time, to get back (I'll continue in the future to keep) my natural blackish color, I did a 30 min amla (powder) followed by a 2hr henna/amla, 50%henna 50% amla.

My Amla/henna experience:
-rinsed out with no problem this time.
-did not need to use gloves
-keeps my blackish color
-less product needed afterwards
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I have noticed the orange runoff after DTs of various kinds. It seems to happen even more with aloe juice than oils. I don't know why this is, but I have one theory: I have conditioner buildup that is getting dyed and staying in my hair until the DT loosens it. I can't say for sure whether this is true, but it seems consistent with what I notice.

Momo that is great news! I've been a little afraid of amla as I've heard that some people found it drying. I'm a little confused by amla to tell you the truth. Some people say it enhances curls and waves (which I can use, as you see from the pics I'm a 3a mixed with 2 on a really good day, which the pic isn't). It sounds like you didn't find it drying, which is great. I may consider this an option still, if I get tired of having so flourescent red, lol.

I just did my 5th full henna. Condition is better than ever, and I am becoming very pleased with the color. It now looks like the red is the base color (not the natural color, lol), and my top layer which was always lightest now looks kind of more like highlights. It looks less like I threw it over blonde, and more like I want it to be this color. I've been concerned about how the demarcation will look as I transition out the blonde dye, and I think I will be satisfied if I can just look like I am growing out highlights rather than one big line across my entire hair.
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it had to be the oil because up until that point I didn't get the orange tinted water. So is oil always supposed to rinse out henna regardless of how long it has been since you last hennaed? If that's the case, do you guys lighten your henna evertime you dt? getting it all out can be a challenge for me, I don't shampoo and I have a lot of really thick hair.
So is oil always supposed to rinse out henna regardless of how long it has been since you last hennaed?

The question is kinda confusing to me. I never knew oil rinses out henna. I wash mine out with VO5 conditioner.

If that's the case, do you guys lighten your henna evertime you dt?

This question is also confusing to me.

As far as I knew. I mean I remember asking over at the henna for hair forum, back when my hair looked a little oily and was over conditioned. Some people there told me to cover my hair with some kind of oil or conditioner with oil in it and let it sit on my hair for a bit to get some of the henna out. I also have noticed in the past that I would get a little more run-off when I conditioner with added oil or a super moisturizing conditioner. I'm not sure why though.
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Momo that is great news! I've been a little afraid of amla as I've heard that some people found it drying. I'm a little confused by amla to tell you the truth. Some people say it enhances curls and waves (which I can use, as you see from the pics I'm a 3a mixed with 2 on a really good day, which the pic isn't). It sounds like you didn't find it drying, which is great. I may consider this an option still, if I get tired of having so flourescent red, lol.

The amla alone:

I think last time I shampooed b4 I used amla; put from roots to tips w/o massaging; left in for a few hours. My first experience was extremely drying so, I changed the proces!!!! This time I did a light co wash; massaged it mainly in my scalp/head as directed; left in for 30 mins. It brought my curls out alot more.
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it had to be the oil because up until that point I didn't get the orange tinted water. So is oil always supposed to rinse out henna regardless of how long it has been since you last hennaed? If that's the case, do you guys lighten your henna evertime you dt? getting it all out can be a challenge for me, I don't shampoo and I have a lot of really thick hair.
So is oil always supposed to rinse out henna regardless of how long it has been since you last hennaed?

The question is kinda confusing to me. I never knew oil rinses out henna. I wash mine out with VO5 conditioner.

If that's the case, do you guys lighten your henna evertime you dt?

This question is also confusing to me.

As far as I knew. I mean I remember asking over at the henna for hair forum, back when my hair looked a little oily and was over conditioned. Some people there told me to cover my hair with some kind of oil or conditioner with oil in it and let it sit on my hair for a bit to get some of the henna out. I also have noticed in the past that I would get a little more run-off when I conditioner with added oil or a super moisturizing conditioner. I'm not sure why though.

Wow, that's odd. What are you trying to find out though, if oil/conditioner rinses out henna? I'm confused. Maybe some curly gurlies can chime in and help cause I don't wanna lead u wrong.
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So is oil always supposed to rinse out henna regardless of how long it has been since you last hennaed?

The question is kinda confusing to me. I never knew oil rinses out henna. I wash mine out with VO5 conditioner.

If that's the case, do you guys lighten your henna evertime you dt?

This question is also confusing to me.

As far as I knew. I mean I remember asking over at the henna for hair forum, back when my hair looked a little oily and was over conditioned. Some people there told me to cover my hair with some kind of oil or conditioner with oil in it and let it sit on my hair for a bit to get some of the henna out. I also have noticed in the past that I would get a little more run-off when I conditioner with added oil or a super moisturizing conditioner. I'm not sure why though.

Wow, that's odd. What are you trying to find out though, if oil/conditioner rinses out henna? I'm confused. Maybe some curly gurlies can chime in and help cause I don't wanna lead u wrong.

I guess I was trying to find out how other curlies dealt with DTing and if thier henna actually lightens if they use to much oil. Also I was wondering about using green tea when mixing henna instead of ACV. Has anyone tried it and what were your experiences?
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:24 PM   #1228
 
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Does anyone know of any daily styling products that have 'henna-like properties'? When I have the henna in my hair I LOVE it The curls are sooo stretched and define I can't bear to wash it out! I am actually reluctant to henna again cause I can't bear to see my curls so beautiful, then poof, it's gone--although I do like my hair regardless I'm thinking it may have something to do with the color of the hair (lighter hair catches light easier?) and the weight of the product holding the curls down. I'm thinkin' any product with 'earth' or 'clay' could do the trick. It's kinda odd but Sebastian Xtah Crude Clay Modeler that might work. It's described as "raw earth modeling clay for hair". It might also be comparable to how hair looks when the Bentonite Clay is in. Has anyone used or heard of the Sebastian's?
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Does anyone know of any daily styling products that have 'henna-like properties'? When I have the henna in my hair I LOVE it The curls are sooo stretched and define I can't bear to wash it out! I am actually reluctant to henna again cause I can't bear to see my curls so beautiful, then poof, it's gone--although I do like my hair regardless I'm thinking it may have something to do with the color of the hair (lighter hair catches light easier?) and the weight of the product holding the curls down. I'm thinkin' any product with 'earth' or 'clay' could do the trick. It's kinda odd but Sebastian Xtah Crude Clay Modeler that might work. It's described as "raw earth modeling clay for hair". It might also be comparable to how hair looks when the Bentonite Clay is in. Has anyone used or heard of the Sebastian's?

You make an interesting point!
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this stuff sounds really interesting. i think i'd like to try the cassia. it sounds like it would be good for my hair.

questions:
my hair is really long and thick. it's at my waist when stretched. how much cassia do you think i would need?

for those of you who add stuff like honey, how much do you add?
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sunshower, I never put any adjuncts into my mix. I have used plain lemon juice with cassia, plain lemon juice with henna, plain water with henna. The lemon juice made it harder to rinse and a little dryer at first so I eventually switched to just water.

kudengwu, I'm sorry but that's one thing I can't help with. That's the downside of being a 2/3 posting in this thread. Mine just looks like a green helmet with the mud on.

ETA: sunshower sorry I forgot to address the amount question. I only started using these after I cut to a few inches below BSL (have since cut to BSL). I can hardly fit 100 grams on there. Earlier in this thread, Spirals had said that her hair was waist when stretched, and I think she was using 200-225 and 250 was absolute max. Like I said I'm 3a on a good day, so I may have a fair amount less hair. Spirals is probably a better benchmark if you are 3c/4a.

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Old 03-28-2008, 11:21 AM   #1232
 
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thanks! i'm putting this on my list of things to try.
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i've just gotten done reading thru this whole thread (4hors) have a gajillion different recipes, but just 2 questions. for the best dye release on my hair, should i use lemon juice or tea?if tea, is red zinger the best?also, should i apply the henna sooner after mixing for better results?i want color!
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i've just gotten done reading thru this whole thread (4hors) have a gajillion different recipes, but just 2 questions. for the best dye release on my hair, should i use lemon juice or tea?if tea, is red zinger the best?also, should i apply the henna sooner after mixing for better results?i want color!

You can use chamomile tea and get great dye release. I've never use red zinger, however I have tried hibiscus. To me lemon juice is to drying to my hair and chamomile tea is very conditioning makes the henna easier to rinse out. HTH
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hey momo 7. once i get my henna and amla powder. i plan to do a 50/50 mix, what color do you think my hair will turn out! or will it stay the same! how did your hair feel and do you notice any of a texture change or does your hair feel stronger afterwards! TIA
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hey momo 7. once i get my henna and amla powder. i plan to do a 50/50 mix, what color do you think my hair will turn out! or will it stay the same! how did your hair feel and do you notice any of a texture change or does your hair feel stronger afterwards! TIA
Hey. I was looking at the pics and your hair is so thick and long. It seems as though it grows really really fast. My hair would always break after a certain point when I used to press it back in the dayz.

-Okay, your hair color looks to me like it is very dark brown. I don't want to give you the wrong answer, but I don't think it will change your hair color very much. If anything, it may make your hair darker and possibly show slightly noticeable dark reddish highlights. On the other hand, you may not notice any change at all. Prior to the 2hr henna/amla treatment I do a 30-35 minute amla to be on the safe side as far as color is concerned.

-Did you want to change your hair color? If so, the more henna you use like say, 80henna/20amla and the longer you leave it in, the more reddish it will appear in the light. The more amla you use (20henna/80amla) and the longer its left in, the darker (blackish) your hair could appear.

-After my first amla/henna (I've only done one so far I think) my hair texture felt so nice and sealed. The hair felt silkier and I think the key to that was doing a light co-wash/co-rinse (not clarifying) just to rinse the product out enough to not strip my hair of it's moisture followed by I think a co-wash (clarifying cond as if I were shampooing) and I let some VO5/Suave conditioner sit in my hair for about 20 mins. I have to work more on the routine so I can get it down packed though.

-My hair did feel stronger. LOL, I was doing what the people do on tv by tugging my hair and wringing it dry (I thought I was on the garnier fructis commercial). I got a little carried away, but my hair was so darn strong and I notice alot less in the comb now.

Oh yeah, and my hair hangs ALOT better now...ALOT less shrinkage!!! Yey!!


I hope some o dat helps you gurly!
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i've just gotten done reading thru this whole thread (4hors) have a gajillion different recipes, but just 2 questions. for the best dye release on my hair, should i use lemon juice or tea?if tea, is red zinger the best?also, should i apply the henna sooner after mixing for better results?i want color!

You can use chamomile tea and get great dye release. I've never use red zinger, however I have tried hibiscus. To me lemon juice is to drying to my hair and chamomile tea is very conditioning makes the henna easier to rinse out. HTH
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Seems like its been a while since I posted in this thread

I did my first (and last) treatment of March. I fell off of my bi-weekly routine, out of sheer laziness. I have a freezer full of henna, but just haven't had the time or energy to use it. I mixed up 100g of Jamila henna, w/ 1 cup of strong green tea (added a few drops of grapeseed oil). I left it in overnight and dt'ed with AOHSR the next day. I then used the Curlformers to set it.

My hair looks and feels great!!! I'm still loving henna and plan to return to bi-weekly treatments.
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I did my first (and last) treatment of March. I fell off of my bi-weekly routine, out of sheer laziness. I have a freezer full of henna, but just haven't had the time or energy to use it. I mixed up 100g of Jamila henna, w/ 1 cup of strong green tea (added a few drops of grapeseed oil). I left it in overnight and dt'ed with AOHSR the next day. I then used the Curlformers to set it.

My hair looks and feels great!!! I'm still loving henna and plan to return to bi-weekly treatments.

In your new pic, did you use a curling iron, roller set or another method? I luv the new headband!
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thanks momo7! i been growing my hair for almost 3 years, it just takes patience and a good regimen and you should be all right! i think i will stick with the 50/50 mix. i dont mind a little color, so thats ok. i hope to get it by tommorrow or else
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