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Old 10-13-2007, 02:50 PM   #121
 
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Your hair looks great, curlynikki! I still haven't recieved my cassia, but Catherine said that she'll resend it monday. So now that you've tried both cassia and henna, which do you prefer?
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Thanks Ajidahk!

I like both, but I can honestly say that I feel a BIG difference w/ the henna. My hair feels amazingly soft, strong and thicker. You gotta try both! Tell Catherine to throw in a free bag of henna!!
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Hey Curlynikki,

Your hair looks beautiful and so healthy! I love the color. I'm glad that you have found cassia & henna to be staple in your healthy hair care regimne. I hope my hair will be as nice as yours one day.

I have a question for Niki or those that have tried the cassia or neutral henna. Did you say that you mixed honey with the cassia? If, so what was the ratio? How long should the cassia take to set? And how long should I leave it on? I know that you also mention the there was some debris in the store brought brand w/ that being the case would you recommend that I sift it with a strainer first? or ground up in a grinder?

Niki, I know that you have tried cassia several times using different methods I'm trying find out what method was most beneficial to you.

I have ordered some Light Mountain Natural Hair Color from whole foods in my area. I've been told that it will be in by Monday. I hope that if all goes well with the light mountain. Then I'll take the plunge and order some from Catherines . Please accept my thanks for your time , patience, and advice. It's appreciated

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Old 10-13-2007, 07:09 PM   #124
 
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I've been lurking this thread for a while. I'm not 4a, more 3b/c, but this is the best thread I've seen in a while on henna and cassia.

I hennaed in 2003-2005 and I loved what it did for the condition of my hair. Major clumping, defined curls, softness and elasticity. Oh, and THICKER, a lot thicker. The only reason I stopped doing it was because on my hair, it brought on a significant color shift, from dark blond to very, very deep red, which was fun for a while, but eventually I grew tired of. When I re-hennaed, I would do it over the entire length of my hair, so the red got deeper and deeper. Each time my hair got stronger and healthier though.

The remaining hennaed parts got cut off in June and my hair has been so disappointing since then! I miss the healthiness of the hennaed hair. So I've been following this thread and recently retried cassia as an alternative. I've probably done cassia 5 times now in the last several months, 3 times within the last month. I used to get my henna from Catherine and now I'm getting fresh cassia from her too.

The first time I used cassia, I noticed no results, but it was old cassia I'd gotten out of curiosity from my henna days. The fresher cassia seems to be working better now.

But given curlnikki's recent post about the difference btw henna and cassia, I wanted to chime in that while cassia seems to help my hair, it can't touch henna, which is much more effective, at least in my experience.

Regardless, I plant to continue with cassia, because I am noticing enough of an improvement to make it worth the trouble.

Also, I've used Light Mountain and other brands and nothing comes close to mehndi/BAQ henna for effectiveness and ease of application.
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So much detailed info in this thread!!! I'm gonna have to reread it to make sure I haven't missed out on anything.

Thanks for the explanation Spiral.

curlynikki & wild~hair, given what you all are saying about henna definitely being superior in conditioning to cassia, I'm tempted to try it, but I don't want to change my hair color. Is there a way to limit how much color it adds without losing out on the conditioning effect?
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... I'm tempted to try it, but I don't want to change my hair color. Is there a way to limit how much color it adds without losing out on the conditioning effect?
If you figure out a way, let me know.

The thing about henna is it stains, really, really well. The part of my hair that was red stayed red until it was cut off. It didn't even fade!
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I finally did my 2nd henna a couple days ago. I mixed it one morning intending to use it that night, but my schedule is so weird I didn't get a chance to. I used distilled water and ACV. I didn't measure at all. I mixed the rest of the light mountain natural with the other henna that I bought (the name is in Arabic, Sadaf or something?) Anyway, I covered the bowl in saran wrap and put it in the window for the heat. It ended up sitting there for like 3 days...lol. I wasn't sure if I could still use it but I did anyway. I let it sit on my head for about 4 hours. This time it worked!!! My hair is a dark cherry red. I can even see it when I'm not in the sunlight. I plan to continue using henna. It's soooo much cheaper than dye etc. It's just SUPER messy but it's worth it.

*Side note* Today I finally ended up breaking down and buying the Herbal Essences set me up gel that curlinikki is always talking about. I LOVE it! I had a wonderful hair day and I was just talking about getting braids cause I was starting to hate my hair (I'm in the ugly in between growth stage) I couldn't stop looking at it in every mirror or window I passed by...lol.
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:36 AM   #128
 
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Hey Curlynikki,

Your hair looks beautiful and so healthy! I love the color. I'm glad that you have found cassia & henna to be staple in your healthy hair care regimne. I hope my hair will be as nice as yours one day.

I have a question for Niki or those that have tried the cassia or neutral henna. Did you say that you mixed honey with the cassia? If, so what was the ratio? How long should the cassia take to set? And how long should I leave it on? I know that you also mention the there was some debris in the store brought brand w/ that being the case would you recommend that I sift it with a strainer first? or ground up in a grinder?

Niki, I know that you have tried cassia several times using different methods I'm trying find out what method was most beneficial to you.

I have ordered some Light Mountain Natural Hair Color from whole foods in my area. I've been told that it will be in by Monday. I hope that if all goes well with the light mountain. Then I'll take the plunge and order some from Catherines . Please accept my thanks for your time , patience, and advice. It's appreciated

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Thanks for the compliment, and yes girl, my hair is sooooo healthy right now. The strands are strong, shiny and resilient. It's my dream hair!
Like Spiral always says, no conditioner has ever done this to my hair! Its unbelievable.

The Rainbow brand Cassia was gritty/sandy/twiggy and I read on hennaforhair.com that you can sift it using a pantyhose? I don't know much about that, but you can use the search feature on that forum to figure out the 'how to'. The twigs and grit just made rinsing a pain...I still got similar conditioning effects.

I do mix honey w/ the cassia and unfortunately, I don't measure
I use about 6 oz of honey I guess. I add it to the cassia/water mix until I get a smooth consistency. The honey makes my hair SOFT. Since i was not worried about dye release w/ the cassia, I immediately put it on my head (I guess like 15 minutes after mixing) after detangling w/ a cheapie conditioner and rinsing well. I left it on for an hour and sat under my bonnet dryer.

Hope this helps! Good luck and keep us posted
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So much detailed info in this thread!!! I'm gonna have to reread it to make sure I haven't missed out on anything.

Thanks for the explanation Spiral.

curlynikki & wild~hair, given what you all are saying about henna definitely being superior in conditioning to cassia, I'm tempted to try it, but I don't want to change my hair color. Is there a way to limit how much color it adds without losing out on the conditioning effect?
Jeamaria,

Spiral or Wild hair probably know better than me. I've seen a ton of threads on this over at hennaforhair.com...some people attempt to boil it or let it fully oxidize for days on end, but sometimes its successful and sometimes its not. Since I'm not interested in killing the dye just yet, I've never read these threads at length. I have surmised that alot of people think the conditioning effects come from the dye molecule (lawsome) and that it needs to invade the hair strand in order to yeild the soft, shiny, resilient results.

Here's a couple of threads from hennaforhair.com:

http://www.hennaforhair.com/forum/in...EMS[]=2440
http://www.hennaforhair.com/forum/in...EMS[]=2894


D Marie,

Isn't henna great! I've had such great success that i can't wait to do it again...I'm thinking next Friday

I'd love to see your color results! How does your hair feel (i.e. texture, softness, etc.)? I'm happy you're liking HE. Mixed w/ the right leave-in this gel is AMAZING. It dries as if its not there at all!

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Old 10-14-2007, 10:20 AM   #130
 
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I still haven't bought any henna, but now I'm happy about that after reading that Nikki experienced much more conditioning effect with henna than the cassia.

I'd love to try henna, but I don't want the color from it. If your hair is black what's going to happen to it? I love having black hair and I don't want it looking reddish or burgundy.

I'm also thinking of doing a henna treatment along with aphogee (aphogee about every 8 weeks and henna every 2 (except on that 8th week). During that time I'm going to eliminate most of my products that have protein high on the list. Does this sound okay?

Spiral, I know I've seen your posts about aphogee over at nappturality, do you think the 2 would interfere?

My goal is to have the most magnificent hair ever lol....more or less.
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Thanks for the explanation Spiral.
No problem .

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I like both, but I can honestly say that I feel a BIG difference w/ the henna. My hair feels amazingly soft, strong and thicker.
That seems to be the consensus on the henna forum- that henna is a stronger, longer-lasting conditioner than cassia. But from your results Nikki, I would say that cassia is still great.

Btw, I can tell from your pics that your hair loves henna - it looks amazing. I can see the color and shine! And it looks more full! Fantastic .

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I'd love to try henna, but I don't want the color from it. If your hair is black what's going to happen to it? I love having black hair and I don't want it looking reddish or burgundy.
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Spiral, I know I've seen your posts about aphogee over at nappturality, do you think the 2 would interfere?
Heather, black hair won't show much color from henna at all. You might see a slight red glow in the sun, but that's it.

About Aphogee, I was thinking of using that back when there was a thread on NP. I wanted a fortifying treatment was was thinking of using that, henna, or both. I went for the henna first, and then I didn't feel like I needed to use the Aphogee. Or any other intense protein treatment for that matter. My Elucence protein treatment has been sitting unused ever since I started to use henna. I do know of another curly, however, who used both Aphogee and henna and didn't have problems. My advice is to try one first, and then see if you still feel like you need the other.

Jeamaria, from what I understand from the forum, you can kill the dye. Letting henna sit too long or exposing it to too much heat will cause the dye to "demise" - it won't bind to your hair's Keratin. But you kill the most of the conditioning effects along with it. What color is your hair? You can try adding amla or indigo - something that pushes the henna toward brown instead of red. Or maybe just do a "gloss", a couple spoonfuls of henna mixed with oil-free conditioner.
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Old 10-14-2007, 12:54 PM   #132
 
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Nikki, where did you buy your Henna?
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Great I can deal with that, thanks Spiral. Oh, and I just told my friend about the benefits of henna (she's a straighten but natural girl) and she's really interested in it too now.

Hey, Spiral, FNWL sells henna too, and it looks like it's at a better price. Is this the same henna and do you think it will work just as well as Catherine's?

here's the link btw http://www.fromnaturewithlove.com/pr...a&searchflag=1
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Heather,

My black hair has been unaffected. There is a slight auburn tinge in the sun, but thats all. The highlights have calmed down to a nice auburn color as well. It actually blends nicely!! It's the best highlights I've ever had plus the best condition my hair has ever seen. My hair is sooooooo full and so defined!!! I henna

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I bought my henna from a local vendor. But I have 300g from Catherine as well.
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Good to know Nikki. I'm looking at the different choices catherine offers. Rajahstan, pakistan, and yemen (I find all this so funny since I'm studying arabic lol) anyway, It's saying the dye contents and I'm wondering, which one I should go with. If it does show up in my hair, I'd rather it look more burgundyish like berry (richer and darker)or something than red.

Which to choose...yeah I know the prices are different lol.

I also read around and realized that the longer you leave the henna on, the richer the color is going to be. Is that right?
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Thanks for the link! I just bought 2 pounds and I hope I like it! I can hardly wait.
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Jeamaria,

Spiral or Wild hair probably know better than me. I've seen a ton of threads on this over at hennaforhair.com...some people attempt to boil it or let it fully oxidize for days on end, but sometimes its successful and sometimes its not. Since I'm not interested in killing the dye just yet, I've never read these threads at length. I have surmised that alot of people think the conditioning effects come from the dye molecule (lawsome) and that it needs to invade the hair strand in order to yeild the soft, shiny, resilient results.

Here's a couple of threads from hennaforhair.com:

http://www.hennaforhair.com/forum/in...EMS[]=2440
http://www.hennaforhair.com/forum/in...EMS[]=2894
Thanks for the links curlynikki, given how often the site is mentioned on this thread, I wanted to check it out but had put off doing so. It seems really informative and easy to follow.

Spiral; thanks for mentioning the amla-I didn't know it would help reducing the red tinge. That's another herb I've been wanting to try in my hair for a while, so I'm glad to be able to add it in with the henna/cassia and not have to worry about where to fit it into my ever-expanding DT regimen. The gloss also sounds like a good idea when I'm in a rush.

BTW, I noticed that my local herbal stores sells cassia. The problem is, they sell it in big pieces of bark. If I use a mechanical grinder to blend it down into a powder will this work for the cassia treatments-or is another part of the plant used? TIA
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Spiral; thanks for mentioning the amla-I didn't know it would help reducing the red tinge. That's another herb I've been wanting to try in my hair for a while, so I'm glad to be able to add it in with the henna/cassia and not have to worry about where to fit it into my ever-expanding DT regimen. The gloss also sounds like a good idea when I'm in a rush.

BTW, I noticed that my local herbal stores sells cassia. The problem is, they sell it in big pieces of bark. If I use a mechanical grinder to blend it down into a powder will this work for the cassia treatments-or is another part of the plant used? TIA
From what I've read on the forum, amla won't completely make henna brown, but it tones it down a bit. To get brown, some people seem to prefer a 50/50 mix of henna and indigo. Others mentioned walnut powder, but I don't know how that works exactly, since I've been going for the red dye. Maybe check out the forum for recipes for brown.

I don't think the cassia that your health food store is selling is cassia obovata (and they use the leaf of this plant to make the powder). There are other types of cassia plants, but they aren't hair conditioners - like cinnamon is a type of cassia. This link explains it in more detail:

http://www.hennaforhair.com/faq/cassiaobovata.html
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Spiral; thanks for mentioning the amla-I didn't know it would help reducing the red tinge. That's another herb I've been wanting to try in my hair for a while, so I'm glad to be able to add it in with the henna/cassia and not have to worry about where to fit it into my ever-expanding DT regimen. The gloss also sounds like a good idea when I'm in a rush.

BTW, I noticed that my local herbal stores sells cassia. The problem is, they sell it in big pieces of bark. If I use a mechanical grinder to blend it down into a powder will this work for the cassia treatments-or is another part of the plant used? TIA
From what I've read on the forum, amla won't completely make henna brown, but it tones it down a bit. To get brown, some people seem to prefer a 50/50 mix of henna and indigo. Others mentioned walnut powder, but I don't know how that works exactly, since I've been going for the red dye. Maybe check out the forum for recipes for brown.

I don't think the cassia that your health food store is selling is cassia obovata (and they use the leaf of this plant to make the powder). There are other types of cassia plants, but they aren't hair conditioners - like cinnamon is a type of cassia. This link explains it in more detail:

http://www.hennaforhair.com/faq/cassiaobovata.html
Thanks so much, Spiral. The cassia they sell at that store is "cinnamomonum aromaticum", and it's not the leaf part. I don't need the amla to add brown, just to kind of tone down the red a bit, so it seems fine. Thanks again!
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Okay, so updates:

My hair has fully oxidized (i think) and the red streaks are a darker (more natural) auburn. I like it alot.

I've also noticed 2 other things:

1. loosening of texture: My loose curls are looser (much) and the tighter ones are looser when wet than they use to be. I thought it was a fluke the other day when my hair didn't shirnk up as much after co-washing, but again, tonight, it didn't shrink up half as much while drying.

2. Less shedding: I only loss 10 hairs (yes, I counted) tonight...yes 10! That tiny hairball was barely visible. To say the least, I was very pleased.

I'm a henna head for life!
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