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Cool A texture softener is not the devil

I've had a texurizer, a relaxer, a texture softner and worn my hair natural. As a kid my mom started giving me a relaxer around 10 because my hair was too curly, long and thick for her to mess with. She didnt like the fact that she could straighten it and hours later when i played too hard it got back curly. At 16 I got rid of the relaxers and went back to natural. It was not an easy transition because you hair gets used to it being treated a certain way and if your hair is like mine ... after a while it starts to reject what used to be the bomb bigity for it. even if you have multiracial hair, That hair is more difficult than if it was african or european. With multiracial you pray that it was either black or white because everyone knows how to deal with that better.
Curly hair in general is difficult.

the Texture softener does exactly what it says ... It softens hair. Yeah it's marketed for biracial kids but the product is for anyone who wants to keep their hair but make it softer. It isn't a relaxer although they do share the same chemical. everything you buy at the store including conditioners have chemicals if you read the back of the product and read that long list of ingredients. That's just the way of the world of hair consumerism works.

The height in this is when you use a texture softener it doesn't stay in permanently. It's like a temporary fix or like a wash out dye that goes away after 30 washes. The more months go by that you haven't used it the more you hair goes back to normal to your new growth. Plus with this product you don't use it every month. Even when you open the box for Just for me it says that in print. IT loosens your curls but if you don't like the way it loosens give it about 3 months and a bunch of washes and your back to normal. That's the key difference from this and a relaxer. Once you relax your hair there is no going back, but to cut it out.

it has an age limit because their are certain things that stunt growth in kids if you don't wait until their hair is at its full capacity instead of still metamorphosing. But honestly it's not about what you use on your hair. Your hair don't make the person. If you had none you would still be the same person on the inside and what you do with it ... is your own choice.

More importantly whether black, white or purple .. none of us have the same type of hair if you are an american. You need to assess your hair on what you need because what works for others don't always work for you. For me .. I just hated getting relaxers because I can't get in the pool. A texturizer is permanent as hell but the upkeep on that for me ... too much but I could swim in the pool but not as often as I wanted to because it dried my hair. The Texture Softener .. I like because I can have looser curls one day and then go back to my tighter curls if I want to months later.I wash my hair everyday, but I moisturize it like nobody's business. I can spend 30 days in a pool underwater and my hair remains the same as the first day. I like it, and I'm 26 using it on and off for the last 3 years.

there isn't too many products that don't uses chemicals of some sort withe mild or extreme. but if you have chemically treated hair by whatever you used or natural. "Carols Daughter" treats both. Not telling you what to do but sliding some more options to get whatever you're looking for. And like India Arie said ... I am not my hair
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It isn't a relaxer although they do share the same chemical. .
Riiiiiiiiiiight. Same chemicals and also needs neutralizing shampoo to stop the chemical process and gets the hair too straight if left on too long. Sounds and acts just like a relaxer to me
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Why, exactly, is it so difficult to have curly hair? Sounds like chandracimone has the same brainwashing that many have who feel ike they just cannot deal with their own hair. If you learn how to, it can be done.

Anyway, she misses the point about relaxers vs. texturizers and that the chemicals in those are made to make a permanent change to the hair, as opposed to those in conditioners, shampoos, etc. Everything is a chemical. So let's stop with the wordplay. As soon as two molecules of different elements of any kind combine a chemical reaction has occured. This thread is about chemicals combined to alter the texture of the hair.

chandracimone, you can argue semantics and the difficulty of curly or biracial hair all you want - hair is just hair. And, once the chemicals in texturizer are applied a permanent change is made. The degree to which the hair is changed may vary depending on the strength of the chemicals, but the active ingredients are the same, it still needs to be neutralized, it still damges the hair to a degree, especially if overprocessed (why do you think you have to get "touch-ups" instead of doing the process again every so often?) and there is a reason it is not recommended for children. If you cannot do it to your children, the most vulnerable among us, why would you do it to yourself?
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Q: Kelly who is texlaxed emailed me to ask, 'My hair for all intents and purposes is still curly. In fact if I do not apply gel to it, it is pretty hard to distinguish it from the natural hair which is not chemically treated. Should I treat my hair as natural?'

A: No, texturised hair even if the look is natural is chemically treated. Applying a relaxer to hair, whether it is mild or for a shorter time still changes the structure of hair. Therefore your hair is not in a natural state and most likely is chemically damaged. You may therefore require additional specific care to mitigate this damage (see this post
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Why, exactly, is it so difficult to have curly hair? Sounds like chandracimone has the same brainwashing that many have who feel ike they just cannot deal with their own hair. If you learn how to, it can be done.

Anyway, she misses the point about relaxers vs. texturizers and that the chemicals in those are made to make a permanent change to the hair, as opposed to those in conditioners, shampoos, etc. Everything is a chemical. So let's stop with the wordplay. As soon as two molecules of different elements of any kind combine a chemical reaction has occured. This thread is about chemicals combined to alter the texture of the hair.

chandracimone, you can argue semantics and the difficulty of curly or biracial hair all you want - hair is just hair. And, once the chemicals in texturizer are applied a permanent change is made. The degree to which the hair is changed may vary depending on the strength of the chemicals, but the active ingredients are the same, it still needs to be neutralized, it still damges the hair to a degree, especially if overprocessed (why do you think you have to get "touch-ups" instead of doing the process again every so often?) and there is a reason it is not recommended for children. If you cannot do it to your children, the most vulnerable among us, why would you do it to yourself?
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It was not an easy transition because you hair gets used to it being treated a certain way and if your hair is like mine ... after a while it starts to reject what used to be the bomb bigity for it. even if you have multiracial hair, That hair is more difficult than if it was african or european. With multiracial you pray that it was either black or white because everyone knows how to deal with that better.
Curly hair in general is difficult.

the Texture softener does exactly what it says ... It softens hair. Yeah it's marketed for biracial kids but the product is for anyone who wants to keep their hair but make it softer. It isn't a relaxer although they do share the same chemical. everything you buy at the store including conditioners have chemicals if you read the back of the product and read that long list of ingredients. That's just the way of the world of hair consumerism works.
I REALLY hate this whole "black hair/white hair" thing. Haven't we educated ourselves enough to know that both black people and white people come in many shades and hair textures. There is no such thing as "biracial hair". The laws of genetics do not say that when a black person and white person procreate their child will automatically have 3b/c hair.

If you choose to texturize to make handling YOUR hair easier for YOU then own it, but don't blame it on the fact that you have "bi-racial hair" and it is more difficult than "black hair" or "white hair".

There is too much information on this site and many other hair boards to learn how to deal with various curly textures and if chemically processing your hair is how you choose to care for your hair then you have to do what is best for you, but PLEASE stop perpetuating these racial stereotypes of what is one race or another.

It is 2010 People....2010. Let's learn a little something already.

Sorry...maybe this is better suited for the "Say it I dare you" thread, but I've seen too many racially divisive threads on this board lately and it is quite disappointing.
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I've had a texurizer, a relaxer, a texture softner and worn my hair natural. As a kid my mom started giving me a relaxer around 10 because my hair was too curly, long and thick for her to mess with. She didnt like the fact that she could straighten it and hours later when i played too hard it got back curly. At 16 I got rid of the relaxers and went back to natural. It was not an easy transition because you hair gets used to it being treated a certain way and if your hair is like mine ... after a while it starts to reject what used to be the bomb bigity for it. even if you have multiracial hair, That hair is more difficult than if it was african or european. With multiracial you pray that it was either black or white because everyone knows how to deal with that better.
Curly hair in general is difficult.

the Texture softener does exactly what it says ... It softens hair. Yeah it's marketed for biracial kids but the product is for anyone who wants to keep their hair but make it softer. It isn't a relaxer although they do share the same chemical. everything you buy at the store including conditioners have chemicals if you read the back of the product and read that long list of ingredients. That's just the way of the world of hair consumerism works.

The height in this is when you use a texture softener it doesn't stay in permanently. It's like a temporary fix or like a wash out dye that goes away after 30 washes. The more months go by that you haven't used it the more you hair goes back to normal to your new growth. Plus with this product you don't use it every month. Even when you open the box for Just for me it says that in print. IT loosens your curls but if you don't like the way it loosens give it about 3 months and a bunch of washes and your back to normal. That's the key difference from this and a relaxer. Once you relax your hair there is no going back, but to cut it out.

it has an age limit because their are certain things that stunt growth in kids if you don't wait until their hair is at its full capacity instead of still metamorphosing. But honestly it's not about what you use on your hair. Your hair don't make the person. If you had none you would still be the same person on the inside and what you do with it ... is your own choice.

More importantly whether black, white or purple .. none of us have the same type of hair if you are an american. You need to assess your hair on what you need because what works for others don't always work for you. For me .. I just hated getting relaxers because I can't get in the pool. A texturizer is permanent as hell but the upkeep on that for me ... too much but I could swim in the pool but not as often as I wanted to because it dried my hair. The Texture Softener .. I like because I can have looser curls one day and then go back to my tighter curls if I want to months later.I wash my hair everyday, but I moisturize it like nobody's business. I can spend 30 days in a pool underwater and my hair remains the same as the first day. I like it, and I'm 26 using it on and off for the last 3 years.

there isn't too many products that don't uses chemicals of some sort withe mild or extreme. but if you have chemically treated hair by whatever you used or natural. "Carols Daughter" treats both. Not telling you what to do but sliding some more options to get whatever you're looking for. And like India Arie said ... I am not my hair .
OK...Biochemist stepping back in here. The only difference between a relaxer and a texture softener is the method of application. A relaxer is left on longer to take the hair to straightness while a texturizer/softer is left on for a shorter period to only loosen the curl. Sodium hydroxide, guanidine hydroxide, lithium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide...all the same thing. All from the same metal hydroxide family and all meant to do the same thing...destroy chemical bonds.

You cannot "wash out" a relaxer/texturizer. It is NOT like a semi-permanent color, and your hair cannot return to it original state. When you burn something on the stove, you can't put it in the fridge and have it return to it's pre-burnt state. That is all the laws of chemical change. If your hair returned to it's pre-relaxed state it may be because your hair has low porosity and is more resistant to chemical manipulation in the first place. But trust me, I have had a texturizer/softer and there is no returning to original state after a number of washes.

The reason why relaxers have an age limit is because the manufacturers are trying to cover their a$$ from lawsuits. It has nothing to do with stunted growth. And you are right to say "that is how consumerism works" because your have fed into all the marketing ploys in thinking that the texturizer/softener you get is any different to the boxed relaxers that sit on the shelf in Walgreens.
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I've had a texurizer, a relaxer, a texture softner and worn my hair natural. As a kid my mom started giving me a relaxer around 10 because my hair was too curly, long and thick for her to mess with. She didnt like the fact that she could straighten it and hours later when i played too hard it got back curly. At 16 I got rid of the relaxers and went back to natural. It was not an easy transition because you hair gets used to it being treated a certain way and if your hair is like mine ... after a while it starts to reject what used to be the bomb bigity for it. even if you have multiracial hair, That hair is more difficult than if it was african or european. With multiracial you pray that it was either black or white because everyone knows how to deal with that better.
Curly hair in general is difficult.

the Texture softener does exactly what it says ... It softens hair. Yeah it's marketed for biracial kids but the product is for anyone who wants to keep their hair but make it softer. It isn't a relaxer although they do share the same chemical. everything you buy at the store including conditioners have chemicals if you read the back of the product and read that long list of ingredients. That's just the way of the world of hair consumerism works.

The height in this is when you use a texture softener it doesn't stay in permanently. It's like a temporary fix or like a wash out dye that goes away after 30 washes. The more months go by that you haven't used it the more you hair goes back to normal to your new growth. Plus with this product you don't use it every month. Even when you open the box for Just for me it says that in print. IT loosens your curls but if you don't like the way it loosens give it about 3 months and a bunch of washes and your back to normal. That's the key difference from this and a relaxer. Once you relax your hair there is no going back, but to cut it out.

it has an age limit because their are certain things that stunt growth in kids if you don't wait until their hair is at its full capacity instead of still metamorphosing. But honestly it's not about what you use on your hair. Your hair don't make the person. If you had none you would still be the same person on the inside and what you do with it ... is your own choice.

More importantly whether black, white or purple .. none of us have the same type of hair if you are an american. You need to assess your hair on what you need because what works for others don't always work for you. For me .. I just hated getting relaxers because I can't get in the pool. A texturizer is permanent as hell but the upkeep on that for me ... too much but I could swim in the pool but not as often as I wanted to because it dried my hair. The Texture Softener .. I like because I can have looser curls one day and then go back to my tighter curls if I want to months later.I wash my hair everyday, but I moisturize it like nobody's business. I can spend 30 days in a pool underwater and my hair remains the same as the first day. I like it, and I'm 26 using it on and off for the last 3 years.

there isn't too many products that don't uses chemicals of some sort withe mild or extreme. but if you have chemically treated hair by whatever you used or natural. "Carols Daughter" treats both. Not telling you what to do but sliding some more options to get whatever you're looking for. And like India Arie said ... I am not my hair .
OK...Biochemist stepping back in here. The only difference between a relaxer and a texture softener is the method of application. A relaxer is left on longer to take the hair to straightness while a texturizer/softer is left on for a shorter period to only loosen the curl. Sodium hydroxide, guanidine hydroxide, lithium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide...all the same thing. All from the same metal hydroxide family and all meant to do the same thing...destroy chemical bonds.

You cannot "wash out" a relaxer/texturizer. It is NOT like a semi-permanent color, and your hair cannot return to it original state. When you burn something on the stove, you can't put it in the fridge and have it return to it's pre-burnt state. That is all the laws of chemical change. If your hair returned to it's pre-relaxed state it may be because your hair has low porosity and is more resistant to chemical manipulation in the first place. But trust me, I have had a texturizer/softer and there is no returning to original state after a number of washes.

The reason why relaxers have an age limit is because the manufacturers are trying to cover their a$$ from lawsuits. It has nothing to do with stunted growth. And you are right to say "that is how consumerism works" because your have fed into all the marketing ploys in thinking that the texturizer/softener you get is any different to the boxed relaxers that sit on the shelf in Walgreens.
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I've had a texurizer, a relaxer, a texture softner and worn my hair natural. As a kid my mom started giving me a relaxer around 10 because my hair was too curly, long and thick for her to mess with. She didnt like the fact that she could straighten it and hours later when i played too hard it got back curly. At 16 I got rid of the relaxers and went back to natural. It was not an easy transition because you hair gets used to it being treated a certain way and if your hair is like mine ... after a while it starts to reject what used to be the bomb bigity for it. even if you have multiracial hair, That hair is more difficult than if it was african or european. With multiracial you pray that it was either black or white because everyone knows how to deal with that better.
Curly hair in general is difficult.

the Texture softener does exactly what it says ... It softens hair. Yeah it's marketed for biracial kids but the product is for anyone who wants to keep their hair but make it softer. It isn't a relaxer although they do share the same chemical. everything you buy at the store including conditioners have chemicals if you read the back of the product and read that long list of ingredients. That's just the way of the world of hair consumerism works.

The height in this is when you use a texture softener it doesn't stay in permanently. It's like a temporary fix or like a wash out dye that goes away after 30 washes. The more months go by that you haven't used it the more you hair goes back to normal to your new growth. Plus with this product you don't use it every month. Even when you open the box for Just for me it says that in print. IT loosens your curls but if you don't like the way it loosens give it about 3 months and a bunch of washes and your back to normal. That's the key difference from this and a relaxer. Once you relax your hair there is no going back, but to cut it out.

it has an age limit because their are certain things that stunt growth in kids if you don't wait until their hair is at its full capacity instead of still metamorphosing. But honestly it's not about what you use on your hair. Your hair don't make the person. If you had none you would still be the same person on the inside and what you do with it ... is your own choice.

More importantly whether black, white or purple .. none of us have the same type of hair if you are an american. You need to assess your hair on what you need because what works for others don't always work for you. For me .. I just hated getting relaxers because I can't get in the pool. A texturizer is permanent as hell but the upkeep on that for me ... too much but I could swim in the pool but not as often as I wanted to because it dried my hair. The Texture Softener .. I like because I can have looser curls one day and then go back to my tighter curls if I want to months later.I wash my hair everyday, but I moisturize it like nobody's business. I can spend 30 days in a pool underwater and my hair remains the same as the first day. I like it, and I'm 26 using it on and off for the last 3 years.

there isn't too many products that don't uses chemicals of some sort withe mild or extreme. but if you have chemically treated hair by whatever you used or natural. "Carols Daughter" treats both. Not telling you what to do but sliding some more options to get whatever you're looking for. And like India Arie said ... I am not my hair .
OK...Biochemist stepping back in here. The only difference between a relaxer and a texture softener is the method of application. A relaxer is left on longer to take the hair to straightness while a texturizer/softer is left on for a shorter period to only loosen the curl. Sodium hydroxide, guanidine hydroxide, lithium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide...all the same thing. All from the same metal hydroxide family and all meant to do the same thing...destroy chemical bonds.

You cannot "wash out" a relaxer/texturizer. It is NOT like a semi-permanent color, and your hair cannot return to it original state. When you burn something on the stove, you can't put it in the fridge and have it return to it's pre-burnt state. That is all the laws of chemical change. If your hair returned to it's pre-relaxed state it may be because your hair has low porosity and is more resistant to chemical manipulation in the first place. But trust me, I have had a texturizer/softer and there is no returning to original state after a number of washes.

The reason why relaxers have an age limit is because the manufacturers are trying to cover their a$$ from lawsuits. It has nothing to do with stunted growth. And you are right to say "that is how consumerism works" because your have fed into all the marketing ploys in thinking that the texturizer/softener you get is any different to the boxed relaxers that sit on the shelf in Walgreens.
From a fellow chemist, thanks for posting this so I didn't have to.
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It was not an easy transition because you hair gets used to it being treated a certain way and if your hair is like mine ... after a while it starts to reject what used to be the bomb bigity for it. even if you have multiracial hair, That hair is more difficult than if it was african or european. With multiracial you pray that it was either black or white because everyone knows how to deal with that better.
Curly hair in general is difficult.

the Texture softener does exactly what it says ... It softens hair. Yeah it's marketed for biracial kids but the product is for anyone who wants to keep their hair but make it softer. It isn't a relaxer although they do share the same chemical. everything you buy at the store including conditioners have chemicals if you read the back of the product and read that long list of ingredients. That's just the way of the world of hair consumerism works.
I REALLY hate this whole "black hair/white hair" thing. Haven't we educated ourselves enough to know that both black people and white people come in many shades and hair textures. There is no such thing as "biracial hair". The laws of genetics do not say that when a black person and white person procreate their child will automatically have 3b/c hair.

If you choose to texturize to make handling YOUR hair easier for YOU then own it, but don't blame it on the fact that you have "bi-racial hair" and it is more difficult than "black hair" or "white hair".
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There is too much information on this site and many other hair boards to learn how to deal with various curly textures and if chemically processing your hair is how you choose to care for your hair then you have to do what is best for you, but PLEASE stop perpetuating these racial stereotypes of what is one race or another.

It is 2010 People....2010. Let's learn a little something already.

Amen!!!!


I have to keep it real though, I fell into the trap of relaxers and I relaxed my daughter's hair when she was about 6 because she had soooooo much hair and I didn't know how to handle it other than to relax it so that it didn't take me 4 hours to do her hair.

Well fast forward 2 years and numerous hours of reading & research and here I am. She has been relaxer free * post BC* (at her request) for almost a year now and she transitioned for a little over a year. Thank goodness for all of the natural hair sites and information I "lucked" up on.

I think a lot of moms just don't know what to do. We get into the habits and routines of what out mothers and grandmothers did and never give it a second thought until something goes wrong.

Maybe we should try to come up with a way to "school" new moms about the benefits of natural hair?
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I am writing because I am extremely angry about the misleading wording that is being used to market the Just For Me Texture Softener. I compared the ingredients in the "Texture Softener" to the ingredients in the relaxer and found that they are essentially the same. I then called 866-730-9101 to inquire about this, and was informed that the ingredients are indeed the same, but the that the method of application is different. I told the agent who answered the phone that the language used in the product information guide is incorrect and misleading, as it states that the texture softener "naturally and gently softens" hair texture. There is nothing "natural" about a product that contains the same chemicals as a relaxer. When I stated this to the agent she started talking in circles, saying that nothing except for the chemicals that are in the product would straighten the hair (?!) which is why it is marketed this way, as there is no natural product that can have the same effect? That makes absolutely no sense, of course the chemicals in the product are what straighten the hair, but it is totally inappropriate to say that this product works naturally. I have a PhD in microbiology, and am outraged that the margeting team for this product feels it is acceptable to say it works naturally. Had I not actually read the ingredients I would never have known that there is really no difference between this and a relaxer, and it is completely irresponsible of Soft and Beautiful to market this product as if it is an alternative to relaxers, when in actuality it is the same product being applied in a different manner. Calling it a "sunflower oil formula" leads the consumer to believe that sunflower oil is the main active ingredient in the texture softener when it is not, calcium hydroxide is, which (as clearly stated on the Material Safety Data Sheet) is corrosive and can cause severe skin and eye burns. This misleading and incorrect labeling of this product must be stopped, as consumers who might not be as diligent as myself are probably applying this to their children's hair, not knowing they are actually using a chemical relaxer (and I am certain this is the intent of Soft and Beautiful, to target unassuming consumers who would prefer not to chemically treat their children's hair).
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I am writing because I am extremely angry about the misleading wording that is being used to market the Just For Me Texture Softener. I compared the ingredients in the "Texture Softener" to the ingredients in the relaxer and found that they are essentially the same. I then called 866-730-9101 to inquire about this, and was informed that the ingredients are indeed the same, but the that the method of application is different. I told the agent who answered the phone that the language used in the product information guide is incorrect and misleading, as it states that the texture softener "naturally and gently softens" hair texture. There is nothing "natural" about a product that contains the same chemicals as a relaxer. When I stated this to the agent she started talking in circles, saying that nothing except for the chemicals that are in the product would straighten the hair (?!) which is why it is marketed this way, as there is no natural product that can have the same effect? That makes absolutely no sense, of course the chemicals in the product are what straighten the hair, but it is totally inappropriate to say that this product works naturally. I have a PhD in microbiology, and am outraged that the margeting team for this product feels it is acceptable to say it works naturally. Had I not actually read the ingredients I would never have known that there is really no difference between this and a relaxer, and it is completely irresponsible of Soft and Beautiful to market this product as if it is an alternative to relaxers, when in actuality it is the same product being applied in a different manner. Calling it a "sunflower oil formula" leads the consumer to believe that sunflower oil is the main active ingredient in the texture softener when it is not, calcium hydroxide is, which (as clearly stated on the Material Safety Data Sheet) is corrosive and can cause severe skin and eye burns. This misleading and incorrect labeling of this product must be stopped, as consumers who might not be as diligent as myself are probably applying this to their children's hair, not knowing they are actually using a chemical relaxer (and I am certain this is the intent of Soft and Beautiful, to target unassuming consumers who would prefer not to chemically treat their children's hair).
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Old 06-29-2010, 12:55 PM   #34
 
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I wish I read this BEFORE!! I BC'ed 3 weeks ago and I had a TWA. My family persuaded me to apply one because it would "look nicer". After I neutralized it and washed my hair, I expected it to have "a looser curl" (as the box stated) and it was straight. Now, I have to transition all over again!!!
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oh no, i'm so sorry
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I wish I read this BEFORE!! I BC'ed 3 weeks ago and I had a TWA. My family persuaded me to apply one because it would "look nicer". After I neutralized it and washed my hair, I expected it to have "a looser curl" (as the box stated) and it was straight. Now, I have to transition all over again!!!
oh no! That sux!
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If you want to inform somebody than you give the pros and cons. Not everybody’s experience is bad. All I read was cons and mostly from people who only read the box or fired up at another's response. Information is knowing all sides before you make a decision. If you haven’t tried it, you can’t judge it especially if you only did it once, and you did it wrong because you treated it like a relaxer because that is what you’re used to. If you give an opinion let it be validated by your degree in one message, and or experience in some others. Those are the opinions that actually count, not the “running your mouth” content I read a lot from a lot of messages. And experience means multiple occasions producing the same results every time to be validated. Honestly what works for you is not going to work for me, and I don’t mean in a literal sense but in an everybody sense. Read between the lines. Over half of the messages on here was non validated opinions. And if you’re going to use brainwash at least use it in the right context. So many women spend so much time on hating other women’s differences. Out of all races American Black women hate on each other worst than anybody ever hated on us. It all starts from the hair and the more mixed with other races you are, the more hatred you start doing for something that person never had control over. This whole site showed hate amongst each other using a softener as a fire. If you’re going to hate just come out and do it because the honesty is much better than trying to hide something that can't be kept hidden.

Hair is complicated because it’s yours. Why else do we all have bad hair days? A JFM texture softener has pros and cons just like natural hair, just like relaxed hair, and so forth. You maintain it if you want because a month later your hair is not as loose, and it’s not as soft, so this is not as permanent as you would love to believe. Even the product says if you don’t like the way your hair is, wait a couple of months, and do it again. & you don’t have to maintain it, but you can choose to opposed to a relaxer where you can see a huge difference from new growth to what is relaxed. It was made for mixed children, but anyone with a curl can use it. If you have racially mixed hair, the world we live in sees white or black. It don’t see gray & refuses to acknowledge that it exists. Praying that your hair is one way or another is not meant in a literal sense but sarcasm of frustrations because if it was, there would be no no issue and nothing for this blog to talk about. Salons do it, and your local hair care isle does the same. When you get your hair done in another country they believe the same about American hair because you believe it & you live here!

What’s on top of your head don’t classify what’s in your spirit. It don’t even change who you are & if you read the blog instead of nit picked at content bringing it out of context, you would have gotten that. Ladies … stop judging each other especially for something as low & insignificant as hair. Otherwise you’re no better than the thing you put so much energy in to despise, when the real issue is your upset with something in deep inside yourself that goes way beyond hair.

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NATURALLYcurly.

I think the goal here is to accept, love and appreciate your NATURAL curls.

And hey, if you still choose to use chemicals...why gee gollee willikers, there's a thread for that too here!

But the point of digging up this thread that's older than dirt, Jesus and Methuselah servers what purpose?

And who is this tirade supposed to be directed at? I didn't see anyone in here putting anyone down, they just stated facts. So before you jump and get high and mighty on your soapbox, think before you speak.


Anyway everything has it's pros and cons. Hell, cigarettes and liquor do. It makes folks feel good, but in the end they're suffering with a liver that's gone to hell or COPD and they can barely moved 2 feet without wheezing to death. So, does that mean I need to use it? No.

AND WHY is it that the ones always talking about "oooh black women are hating on each other, blah blah" are always the ones starting some SH*T!? pot meet kettle!!!!!!!!!!!!

The hell with it. It doesn't matter anyway. Some folks can't, won't and just never will.
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You're right on many points, and on those I'm totally with you, but this particular thread was not about being naturally curly. It was about is a texurizer is a relaxer. Read both pages. Plus I've read this since january & there's some missing comments that used to be here. Don't get so angry. Don't get choked up with words than the concept. People get mad when you tell the truth or you dare to be different. You're supposed to do both because that what makes you, you. You might be a beautiful person inside & out but I don't want to see 20 of you. I love me but I don't want to see 20 of me either. & you're already prejuding because you assumed that I was. That don't do anything but prove I was right. Your photo shows that what I was talking about had no concern of you because you don't have more than one texture to work with. You're not even part of the reason why some people choose or want to try to use it. You don't even fall in the category of what I was talking about, so why so angry? Calm down. I'm not judging you so why do you dish it back? This prejudgment thing don't make no sense. Life has its pros and cons but you still living & you wouldn't change that for the world.We could go head to head of analogies but it doesn't change the fact there are underlying issues between women of color. it doesn't change the fact that though the chains may be off, some people are still slaves of their own mind. You can't blame society for you own actions. If this is nothing to do with you, than you have nothing to be angry for
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You're right on many points, and on those I'm totally with you, but this particular thread was not about being naturally curly. It was about is a texurizer is a relaxer. Read both pages. Plus I've read this since january & there's some missing comments that used to be here. Don't get so angry. Don't get choked up with words than the concept. People get mad when you tell the truth or you dare to be different. You're supposed to do both because that what makes you, you. You might be a beautiful person inside & out but I don't want to see 20 of you. I love me but I don't want to see 20 of me either. & you're already prejuding because you assumed that I was. That don't do anything but prove I was right. Your photo shows that what I was talking about had no concern of you because you don't have more than one texture to work with. You're not even part of the reason why some people choose or want to try to use it. You don't even fall in the category of what I was talking about, so why so angry? Calm down. I'm not judging you so why do you dish it back? This prejudgment thing don't make no sense. Life has its pros and cons but you still living & you wouldn't change that for the world.We could go head to head of analogies but it doesn't change the fact there are underlying issues between women of color. it doesn't change the fact that though the chains may be off, some people are still slaves of their own mind. You can't blame society for you own actions. If this is nothing to do with you, than you have nothing to be angry for
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