JuJu

[quote=momo7;541343]I really don't think there is anything revolutionary here...it really just looks like she stopped using chemicals. After she went natural, it grew, and she figured out how to style it from there.

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Honeycomb

I did this method twice, I loved how my hair looked the day of, but I could not get 2nd day hair from this and my hair 2nd day was very dry. I do like the smoothing the curl technique, where you separate the individual curl and smooth it down with your fingers, I did this with homemade jojoba gel and I love the way that looks. My curls look very defined and its soft to the touch.

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momo7

[quote=JuJu;542336]
I guess I'm referring more to the last 2 photos on this link where she was natural in both pics: http://biracialhair.org/Photo%20history.html
It looks, in my opinion, like two totally different heads of hair as far as texture and curl definition and the way the curls look so much more looser to me in the last photo. I'm curious to read her book to learn exactly how she has gotten to the point she's @ now unless the only way she got there was by only doing the methods she mentioned on her site (ie styling with conditioner and so forth http://biracialhair.org/Curly%20primer.html). That's why I think there's more to it b/c if there wasn't, I don't think she'd make an entire book about this stuff. Others' opinions may differ, but this is just my perspective.

frizzbegone

What's going on with her website. I couldn't on anything but the welcome page. I don't want to miss out on her tips.

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mikievora

@sbb- im sorry you got the denman and it didnt work for you. is the mason pearson you have substantially different from the denman?

@1joy- ive tried fingercomb detangling and it simply doesnt work. my fingers get stuck, & covered in shed hair that then mixes back into the rest of my hair. the denman leaves the ends defined into nice curls, but because i only detangle in 4 sections, the parts closest to my head are way more fluffy/not defined.

one thing i really dont like about the denman is the way the bristle pad is constantly sliding out of its track! how do others deal with this?

i also cringe at this lady's product list, and am just not sure about leaving that much conditioner in my hair (because i would have to use a whole lot more than her!). BUT, knowing that that length can be acheived in about 6 years, as well as what it looks like in a few different styles was pretty exciting to me. i think using our methods/products with her technique could probably give some good results... i def plan on getting that book...

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larissa

[QUOTE=momo7;542376]Like JuJu said I don't think too that there is anything revolutionary here..
I think that in the first picture she brushed her hair dry and there's no product in the hair.in my opinion you can still see the wavy structure her hair has.
in the second picture her hair is loaded with conditioner and she only brushes it when wet..plus she got some colour

My hair is puffing up too, when brushed dry (I guess every curly hair does)

anyway, that's just how I see it, maybe I'm wrong..

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Parasol

Yeah, you're totally right. I didn't think about it at first. Since she doesn't use any stylers she basically only uses shampoo and a conditioner as a leave-in. I tried it the other day and my hair looked very very nice.

Ladydncing

Wow, what an inspiration! Thanks for posting this link.

I am too lazy for sectioning, smoothing etc... Never done it, never will. Using the brush does give some nice clumps. I am beginning to wonder about these curlies who used Pantene. My cousin also swears by Pantene and has one of the shinest, healthies most beautiful curls I've ever seen!

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momo7

I notice that when I wear my hair out after finger raking the product through w/o sectioning and finger raking, my hair comes out alot better.
Also, I've been using Pantene Hydrating Curls for a couple of years now but stopped for a few months b/c I thought the sulfates in the shampoo were making my hair shed alot. I think I was washing too frequently/depriving my hair of deep conditioning. Using the VO5 as a full substitute was okay for a while but I like Pantene alot. I think I'll continue to use VO5 for cowashes and Pantene shamp/cond on wash days.

SisterClay

When I began experimenting with curl products, I started with Pantene. They really do make my daughter's and my hair look great. Only problem is you have to shampoo it out; the styling products create major build up. I tried doing the co-wash and my hair laughed at me.

Pantene adds something to their styling products that makes our hair look super shiny and beautiful. But our scalps are so very dry and itchy. I can't imagine my hair being very healthy if my scalp feels like crap.

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subbrock

she didnt go from no hair to waist length curls in 6 yrs. she had a good amount of length to begin with. the 3rd to last pic is her length when she cut out all her chemicals and started her new regimen. and in that pic her hair is shoulder length while curly.

i dont see anything revolutionary on the site either. i definetly enjoy her personal hair story but after that i dont think shs doing anything that we dont already know.

HeatherNicole

I effin love subbrock. That's all I gotta say. lol.

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springyhead

I second HeatherNicole! lol.

But, her site did give me the inclination to ditch all the curling/elongation products, divide my hair into half sections, and lathered and left in my favo daily conditioner: AO HSR (Thanks for that HG info Curlynikki). Oh, added a tablespoon of EVOO to that.

I gotta say that i was impressed with the results. My hair is too short to acheive second day hair at the moment, but its great for first. It was very soft and smelled great. Curls were great too--although not as "boingy" as it gets with KCC. I've done this for a week, and will keep it up to see its effects.

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natashamck

I tried her method. I agree with KayC... It's like shingling but with condish instead of the more expensive Miss Jessie's products.

I used A.O. Camellia condish. I liked the results, my hair was shiny and soft, and surprisingly more defined than I thought it would be without using some sort of gel or styling cream.
The only downside is that once it was dry, the softness caused HIF disease lol. And since I hadn't used anything for hold - I was left with Floofy (fluffy+poofy) hair by the end of the day.

The next time I try it I'll probably use a little KCCC or something over the condish for hold. This method may help me stretch out my styling products.

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Suburbanbushbabe

You mean besides being wicked expensive LOL? You don't want to lose it. Don't take it on vaca and leave it at the hotel, uh uh. I've owned this brush for 15 years and it's in great shape...it can go for another 15 easy.

The MP jr. is a softer brush with mixed boar and nylon bristles and a softer pad that "polishes" dry hair. It works fine detangling my wet conditioned hair without taking out a lot (unlike the D4 which pulled and gave me scary shed). Doesn't scratch your scalp; the 2-level bristles give but you still get gentle scalp stimulation. It's more of a paddle brush. With the MP I go several passes over a section. The first pass gets the upper layers and passes 2-3 get through the rest of the section.

I still prefer my hands and a comb on wet hair but I love to brush out my dry hair with the MP to distribute oils down from my scalp.

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Nappy_curly_crown

[quote=JuJu;542336]I agree. She just combined the curly girl methods with shingling from curve and a few other methods.

The differnce between the the pics IMO is that the length of the curls pulls them down more....that's about all that I can see

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JusticeDST

Her methods are not revolutionary, but at the time I found her website, I was deseparate for a new way of putting products in my hair. At times, detangling was stressful because it felt like my hair was being ripped out; especially with fingercombing. I am not rough with my hair, I try to be as gentle as possible. That is why I have been on a quest to find a good conditioner with alot of slip. Anyhoo, I tried her methods (not products) and my hair turned out great. The only thing I changed was I put a little gel in my hair as my last step. I will try her conditioner only method, but I have to save that for the weekend. One more thing, her method is similar to shingling, except with shingling you add products to small sections of hair, then shingle. Whereas, with her method you don't. I now use less hair stylers and save alot of time. Mission accomplished.

crocketp

o.k. so is this why I have to wet or damn near wet my hair everyday for a wash and go...because it's short? New to the natural curly thing and I couldn't understand why I wasn't getting 2nd day hair! LOL Hair is 4-5 inches stretched after the big chop!

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ebzonix

She's definitely a new hair idol. Love her spirals.

springyhead

Hi Crocketp,

Welcome. I'm fairly new too the natural thing, so a lady with a much longer mane and experience might want to weigh in. But, from my board stalking and limited experience, I chock up 2nd day hair success to three things:

1.natural dryness of hair
2.products
3.length

In this order too. I suspect that dryer curlies would have difficulties acheiving 2nd and 3rd day hair at any length,especially without the right products. Of course, finding that right, moisturizing conditioner and/or styler for the individual is a must whatever curly texture. And finally, longer lengths allow you 1) more versatility in tieing up the hair at night in ways that preserve your curls and 2) adds natural weight to the hair causing it to hang easily anyway.

For me, my hair is super soft second day, but completely mashed/matted in the back where I sleep. And although its long enough to barely put in a low or high ponytail, I have to stretch it out completely to do it, causing it to be more straight than curly in the morning. Hence, no second day hair for me unless im rocking a pick-out.

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Wash: Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Castille Soap.
Conditioner: Tigi Bedhead Moisture Maniac/Suave Humectants
Moisturizers: Long Aid
Styler: Ecostyler Clear/ Vitamin E Oil