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botanical infusion of water, horsetail, chamomile, nettle and marshmallow, organic aloe vera juice, agave nectar extract, tocopheryl acetate (vitamin e), pectic, citric acid, potassium sorbate and natural fragrance

Alright so according to the law of ingredients, the first listed ingredient occupies the majority of the product, followed by the 2nd, third, and so on. So, if we follow that rule, that means we've got.

1. Botanical fusion of water, horsetail, chamomile, nettle, and marshmallow (I'm assuming they mean the root, right? I've heard of marshmallow root, but not just friggin marshmallow). Can someone please say how to make a botanical infusion? lol. I know it involves boiling, straining, and sometimes a little sitting. So thinking in terms of producing 8oz. 3 to 4oz.

2. Organic Aloe Vera Juice- Check! we gots that under control. lol. 1-2oz (however 5 oz is created)

3. Agave Nectar- 1- 1.5 oz. We know how sticky honey is and how you don't need alot of it to feel its effects.

4. vit E 1 oz.

4. Pectic- Idk the consistency of this, but I'm assuming it's a powder (is this in jello? It sounds really familiar). I'm also assuming we'd probably only need maybe a teaspoon b/c kccc isn't that thick. oz

5. Remaining space dedicated to citric acid, K sorbate, and fragrance.

How's that sound?
Thick coarse 3c/4a prone to dryness.
Staples
Aphogee 2 Step treatment
Generic Biolage Conditioning Balm
Tigi MM Conditioner
Creme of Nature Shampoo for dry hair
KCCC
Denman D3
Giovanni Direct Leave-in
SheaMoisture Leave-in
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"Make it work!"- Tim Gunn

Last edited by HeatherNicole; 04-22-2008 at 02:43 PM.
Co-signing to this idea because ppl are charging wayyy to much for products....

Your recipe sounds pretty spot on! Btw the botancial fusion is exactly what you described basically boiling those herbs in water.

I will be watching this thread, I love making my own products so I'll give whatever support I can!
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Last edited by blackhoney112; 04-28-2008 at 07:38 PM.
I find this thread intriguing, hope you don't mind if I butt in!

When I do a botanical infusion, I take all of the herbs and put them in a muslin tea bag (I get them at the health food store or online.) That way--no straining. I use distilled water and make sure to add a preservative. I do a lot of the infusion and use it as a base for any of my "experiments." Saves time and energy--you don't always have to start from scratch.
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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC

Last edited by kathymack; 04-22-2008 at 04:51 PM. Reason: spelling
gracias kathy!
Thick coarse 3c/4a prone to dryness.
Staples
Aphogee 2 Step treatment
Generic Biolage Conditioning Balm
Tigi MM Conditioner
Creme of Nature Shampoo for dry hair
KCCC
Denman D3
Giovanni Direct Leave-in
SheaMoisture Leave-in
http://public.fotki.com/MsHeatherNicole/

"Make it work!"- Tim Gunn
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BC - 21/07/08
Transitioning since 23/08/07
Coarse 4a

Last edited by Naddy; 01-05-2010 at 10:00 AM.
this is a great idea...i was just thinking the same thing myself! I just did the big chop a week ago and have already gone through almost my whole bottle of KT. The KC is o.k. I usethat sparingly, but it's the KT that I need.
4a I think! Love curls whipped cream, KCKT, & KCCC! BC 4/14/08 http://fotki.com/prissy1
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okay, so who's making it
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Alas, I am a terrible candidate for cooking and testing on, as I have never had the real [thing]

Last edited by Riot Crrl; 04-23-2008 at 10:54 PM.
I'm going to ask that anyone who has referenced the name of this product remove it. I can't change the title of this thread, but for people who choose to continue the pursuit of their own version of this product. Please keep in mind:

You cannot sell this or market it as your own creation and if you do you risk hurting someone's business that they have worked hard to build and legal repercussions.

My intention for starting this thread was simply as a more cost effective alternative-- not to hinder anyone's profits. I am a graduate student that supports herself. I know that quite a few of us are, or we're just tight on money. Personally, this was a temporary solution to the problem. I know what I create might never be as good as the original, but it was an avenue I was willing to explore until my situation changed.

I would like to mention I was NOT threatened legally or in any shape or form.

But in short if someone wants to continue this and share their results, please do not share your process on the main forum or refer to this popular product by name.
Thick coarse 3c/4a prone to dryness.
Staples
Aphogee 2 Step treatment
Generic Biolage Conditioning Balm
Tigi MM Conditioner
Creme of Nature Shampoo for dry hair
KCCC
Denman D3
Giovanni Direct Leave-in
SheaMoisture Leave-in
http://public.fotki.com/MsHeatherNicole/

"Make it work!"- Tim Gunn
Changed mine. I don't want to steal formulas or sell stuff, I just think it would be cool if we could cook our own stuff at home.
Making your own stuff is fun.
BC - 21/07/08
Transitioning since 23/08/07
Coarse 4a

Last edited by Naddy; 01-05-2010 at 10:04 AM.
I used this product for the first time today and WOW!!!! My 3A hair is in spirals! It's a little frizzy, because I can't keep my hands off. I'm saying this, because I've been following this thread and stopped to get some fruit pectin. It's in the canning section of the supermarket. I think you need to buy it and read some of the information in the directions. It will tell you why you have to do some things (and add certain types of ingredients) in order to make your jam or jelly.

Please keep me in your loop. I'm off to the kitchen as we speak!
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modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
FYI. After ordering the agave nectar online, I saw it the next time I went to the supermarket. It's with the pancake syrup or honey.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
lol awesome kathy. so are you going to return yours that you ordered online? And what store is this? whole foods does me no good since I don't have one. And just to clarify, did you use a product or a homemade concoction? Either way, congrats on your success.
Thick coarse 3c/4a prone to dryness.
Staples
Aphogee 2 Step treatment
Generic Biolage Conditioning Balm
Tigi MM Conditioner
Creme of Nature Shampoo for dry hair
KCCC
Denman D3
Giovanni Direct Leave-in
SheaMoisture Leave-in
http://public.fotki.com/MsHeatherNicole/

"Make it work!"- Tim Gunn
I'm not going to return it. I've had it for a while. I'm from a suburb of Philly, so you may or may not have the same stores. I know I saw it at Wegman's--they have a natural foods area. But I know I saw it elsewhere--I regularly go to ShopRite and Giant. But I may have seen it at Acme (which is an Albertsons store.) I do like my food shopping! I just wanted to save everyone the shipping costs--it's not all that unusual a product.

I'm interested in homemade products, which is why this thread caught my eye. I had never used the product. I was offered a half a jar in a swap, so I got it. My DH has commented on my curls twice today!
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
I'm not going to return it. I've had it for a while. I'm from a suburb of Philly, so you may or may not have the same stores. I know I saw it at Wegman's--they have a natural foods area. But I know I saw it elsewhere--I regularly go to ShopRite and Giant. But I may have seen it at Acme (which is an Albertsons store.) I do like my food shopping! I just wanted to save everyone the shipping costs--it's not all that unusual a product.

I'm interested in homemade products, which is why this thread caught my eye. I had never used the product. I was offered a half a jar in a swap, so I got it. My DH has commented on my curls twice today!
Originally Posted by kathymack

Lord I'm confused! Kathymack Are you talking about the actual product or the nectar you picked up? Did you make your own version and this is what you liked? (I rode the short bus today)
4a I think! Love curls whipped cream, KCKT, & KCCC! BC 4/14/08 http://fotki.com/prissy1
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For some reason, I can't use the quote feature today.

I think we're all being cryptic, now that we don't want to mention an actual product name.

HN asked if I was going to return the agave nectar I bought online. She also wanted to know the names of stores where I've seen it. I posted this information, because I remembered what I went through to buy agave nectar. My health food store had agave juice, so I didn't think I could just buy it. Imagine my dismay when I saw it at a few supermarkets! Since there was a lengthy discussion about the difference between the nectar and the extract, I thought I'd save everyone a little aggravation when they went to search for this.

I used the real thing this morning for the first time. If I could duplicate today's hair everyday, I'd be one happy camper!
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
Some other hair product uses the agave nectar extract...I want to say it's in some BB product.
Originally Posted by HeatherNicole
Its in a Curl Junkie product and you know the two of them are friends. I wonder if they buy it in bulk together?

I heard the owner of the company speak at a workshop once and she explained the benefits of different vitamins and extracts.

She explained that marshmallow produces a mucilage and how that combined with agave and pectin makes the product so good for your hair.

hmmmmm.......
Thick coarse 4b hair. Holy Grail: Kinky-Curly Curling Custard. Trying to grow it to bra strap length. Currently collar bone length.

Last edited by Curlygoddess; 04-25-2008 at 01:34 AM.
I finished my "experiment" and thought I should give a detailed report. This is going to be lengthly, so I apologize in advance.

My qualifications: I would be considered a gourmet cook and have most of the kitchen toys known to mankind! I have previously made jams and jellies, which means I'm not a stranger to pectin.

The only ingredient I had to buy was the pectin. I experiment with some of my own products, so I made an infusion of 14 herbs that are commonly used in hair products. It's in distilled water with commercial preservative added. I used this--it includes then necessary ones.

If you are starting from scratch you would have to buy all of the ingredients. It would be more than you'd need, but you'd have to lay out a sum.

pectin $3
agave nectar $7.50
aloe vera gel $5.00
Vit E oil $10
citric acid $3.00
1 oz each horsetail, chamomile, nettle, marshmallow--about $8.00
preservative $8.00

That being said, it wasn't hard to make. I started out with about 12 oz of liquid and ended up with about 2 oz once the impurities were removed. I used it today. I may have used too much. My hair has beautiful curls, but is very producty and I can't scrunch out the crunch. It looks like I'm wearing a wig--and not a real hair one! Maybe a curly Barbie???

I also did a little research using CurlMart/Ulta prices for existing, popular curl creams:

Product Price per ounce
CJ CCCC $3
recoil $3
Inner QCCC $3.33
KCCC $1.56
Ms Jess CP $2.37-3.50 (depending on size)
MOP C CDC $3.53

When you look at things this way, it's really not bad. I would never want to tell someone how to run their business; however, it would be nice to have more sizes (like Ms. Jessie's 2, 8 and 16 oz) so people could try it and not lay out so much money until they know if it works for them on a continuing basis. If the original continues to work for me, I will be buying it in the future. IMHO, the only ones who should be trying this are people who regularly make products and don't have to start from scratch. By the time you make the initial investment, you will have spent much more and probably won't be as happy.

That being said, I'm going back upstairs to rinse out the product and use the real thing! I hope I have as good a curl day as yesterday. I'm only sorry that the leave in is back ordered, I really want to try it. Looking at the ingredients, it isn't something I'd think to make. Kudos to the inventor (or should I say chef!)

If anyone has questions about what I did, PM me--I'd be happy to answer them privately.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC

Last edited by kathymack; 04-25-2008 at 07:52 AM.
Okay so I see you guys are trying to make new products. Well I've been making them even though I'm not completely natural yet but it is working. If you go to my fotki you will see the results of some curly creme I made. The first batch had:
6oz aloe vera
1tsp mango butter
1tsp shea butter
1 tbl glycerin
2 tbl lottabody setting lotion
1tsp castor oil
I cut the relaxed ends off a little patch of hair at the nape, wet it with plain water, and applied. I curled it around my finger and a curl popped right up. I think I have 4a hair. Hope this helps.
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