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Many of us use a very popular curl enhancing product. Since the ingredients are all natural and she started this business out of her home, why can't we recreate it for ourselves as a more cost effective alternative?
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Last edited by HeatherNicole; 04-23-2008 at 10:04 PM. Reason: legal reasons
I'd love to know how to make it. I LOVE this product...and yes....$35 for a styler and leave-in is expensive. I'm curious to see how long the jar i have lasts me though.

Last edited by missmonie; 04-19-2008 at 01:25 PM.
I'm sooooo down for trying to come up with a cheaper alternative...I've been restricting myself to using it only on the weekends to try to make my jar last as long as possible.
If we can make our own version I'd be using it everyday

Here are the ingredients:
botanical infusion of water, horsetail, chamomile, nettle and marshmallow, organic aloe vera juice, agave nectar extract, tocopheryl acetate (vitamin e), pectic, citric acid, potassium sorbate and natural fragrance


What's the purpose of pectic (acid?) What about potassium sorbate? We can probably leave that out since its just a preservative...

I'll do some more online research on the other ingredients.
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Last edited by MedussaGuide; 04-24-2008 at 01:22 PM. Reason: Remove product name
That's pectin, and it's a very common ingredient in jams and jellies. It's what gives the product it's gelly like consistency.

agave nectar extract and potassium sorbate may be difficult to find. Agave nectar is all around but I've never seen the extract.
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Last edited by Suburbanbushbabe; 04-24-2008 at 07:52 PM.
Some other hair product uses the agave nectar extract...I want to say it's in some BB product. It's got to be somehow available though-- I mean she found it. Maybe she extracted it from regular agave nectar through some simple process. IDK. All I know is that this is not readily available (for me, personally) and I'm thinking it could be made cheaper in the long run. With tax this ish is 30 bucks, that's just 8 bucks cheaper than Miss Jessie's (another over priced product)--and I'd never spend the money on it.
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It sounds like a pretty good idea... as long as you guys don't sell it.. I mean.. it is not like you all or we all are trying to put them out of business.
I won't sell it, I don't guess. lol. Not to anyone on here, anyways. And if I did it'd be like half the price...but that's not the point. I'm totally joshin'. For real, though, we could just PM the recipe with the measurements and process to those interested. I don't want to ruin what she's built.
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SheaMoisture Leave-in
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Agave extract can be found at brewing supply stores, and possibly vitamin/health food stores. It's used as a homebrew adjunct and low-glycemic-index sweetener. Since no one is going to be eating it, or fermenting it, it may be acceptable to get by with something like high-fructose corn syrup for way cheaper.

Potassium sorbate is also used for wine bottling, brew supply may have it.
Agave extract can be found at brewing supply stores, and possibly vitamin/health food stores. It's used as a homebrew adjunct and low-glycemic-index sweetener. Since no one is going to be eating it, or fermenting it, it may be acceptable to get by with something like high-fructose corn syrup for way cheaper.

Potassium sorbate is also used for wine bottling, brew supply may have it.
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
Is the extract different than the nectar? I use the nectar for sweetening. Never seen the extract.
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Is the extract different than the nectar? I use the nectar for sweetening. Never seen the extract.
No.. they are one in the same. Agave "extract" and agave "nectar" are used interchangeably even though they are describing the same thing. I refer to it as Nectar just because it sounds cooler.
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No no, you can find agave nectar no problem. What SBB is asking since the ingredients say "Agave Nectar extract" is is there a difference between the extract and just the agave nectar? I can't find agave nectar extract when I google it.

Thank Riot as usual you're a big help.
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Agave extract can be found at brewing supply stores, and possibly vitamin/health food stores. It's used as a homebrew adjunct and low-glycemic-index sweetener. Since no one is going to be eating it, or fermenting it, it may be acceptable to get by with something like high-fructose corn syrup for way cheaper.

Potassium sorbate is also used for wine bottling, brew supply may have it.
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
Is the extract different than the nectar? I use the nectar for sweetening. Never seen the extract.
Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe
Googling a little, I think that's correct. They seem to me to be basically both fructose and interchangeable. When I first read "nectar" I was thinking like those mango papaya juice cans, lol. Kerns? But since nectar is already just the extracted sugar, I don't know what they'd further extract from it. The ingredient is listed as "agave nectar extract," and nectar and extract are both extracted sugar products.

I found people using them interchangably in home brew recipes, and those can end badly when the wrong amount or type of sugar is used. Not just "bad hair day" bad, but "exploding glass bottles flyin' atcha" bad.
Ooooo I see what you're saying BUT...

Maybe the makers of Kinky-Curly put "nectar" next to "extract" because people sometimes refer to Agave nectar as Agave extract.

Agave nectar IS Agave extract.

"Agave nectar extract" doesn't make sense.
I just want to do what I want to do when I want to do it.
I won't sell it, I don't guess. lol. Not to anyone on here, anyways. And if I did it'd be like half the price...but that's not the point. I'm totally joshin'. For real, though, we could just PM the recipe with the measurements and process to those interested. I don't want to ruin what she's built.
Originally Posted by HeatherNicole
Well.. I am all for it.. I mean this would be like certain Sally's products.. There is always a generic brand and this would be it... Good Luck! Let me know if I can help out in anyway...
Oh no Riot! We don't want glass bottles flying anydamnwhere. So have we determined that the nectar and extract are the same and kccc is just being extra by adding extract?

Thanks Midgi, I was unfamiliar with that whole process so it makes much more sense now.

LKhamil- Yes exactly.
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Last edited by HeatherNicole; 04-23-2008 at 09:41 PM. Reason: legal reasons
Yeah, I think nectar and extract are the same in this case. Not if we were talking about mango for instance, but agave, yes.

There will be no exploding containers unless fermentation occurs. That may be in part what the vitamin E, citric acid, and potassium sorbate are for. I don't think it's too good for hair after it's fermented anyway. (Please no one remind me of the Shampoo On Tap from the 70s, LOL)
There was a recipe for Jojoba Jelly. This thread mentions it but the link to the actual recipe doesn't work. Homemade Jojoba Jelly?

I think this girl used to post here, and she has the recipe and a tuturial posted on YouTube. Maybe this will help, and give some ideas on how to make it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5X3Vr1Xn1Q

Last edited by heavengirl410; 04-25-2008 at 02:03 PM. Reason: n/a
Awesome, and just to be on the safe side, we'll use plastic lol.
Thick coarse 3c/4a prone to dryness.
Staples
Aphogee 2 Step treatment
Generic Biolage Conditioning Balm
Tigi MM Conditioner
Creme of Nature Shampoo for dry hair
KCCC
Denman D3
Giovanni Direct Leave-in
SheaMoisture Leave-in
http://public.fotki.com/MsHeatherNicole/

"Make it work!"- Tim Gunn
Watching this thread with interest...

Btw, I bought some agave nectar at Whole Foods a while back. I used it on my hair by adding a few drops to some VO5 as a leave in. It had a hold similar to honey, but a bit more flexible. I haven't had time to do any further experiments.
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Thick coarse 3c/4a prone to dryness.
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Aphogee 2 Step treatment
Generic Biolage Conditioning Balm
Tigi MM Conditioner
Creme of Nature Shampoo for dry hair
KCCC
Denman D3
Giovanni Direct Leave-in
SheaMoisture Leave-in
http://public.fotki.com/MsHeatherNicole/

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