HAIR RULES products

So im just starting out in the game. I cut all my relaxer off and have cute natural hair. I went to Adore salon in Brooklyn and my stylist used Miss Jessies. I like it alot but it flakes up alot in my hair and the butter cream is a bit thick. I am going to order the hairrules, maybe ill have less flakes. I wish I didnt have to put anything in my hair. But im going to try it, because if i dont put anything in my hair its a afro. And im not mad at that look but i like my hair more curly. I have also read the previous post and Im not sure why mineral oil is so bad. Can someone let me know? Because my grandmama and my mama used Blue Magic hair grease for years (and ifthat stuff probably has all type of crazy things in it) and they both have natural hair down to there backs.
I have also read the previous post and Im not sure why mineral oil is so bad. Can someone let me know?
Originally Posted by iheartniaya
from wikipedia:
Mineral oil or liquid petrolatum is a by-product in the distillation of petroleum to produce gasoline. It is a transparent, colorless oil composed mainly of alkanes (typically 15 to 40 carbons) [1] and cyclic paraffins, related to white petrolatum.
Mineral oil is a substance of relatively low value, and it is produced in very large quantities. Mineral oil is available in light and heavy grades, and can often be found in drug stores.
Due to its low price and ubiquitous supply, mineral oil has been pressed into service in a wide variety of capacities.
Mineral oil with added fragrance is marketed as baby oil in the US, UK and Canada
Mineral oil is a commonly-found ingredient in baby lotions, cold creams, ointments and low-grade cosmetics as an alternative to more expensive oils

IMO it really doesnt do anything for your hair. Mineral oil and petroleum were good back in the day for hot comb styles because they sealed out the moisture and prevented the hair from reverting and 'kept your press fresh'

and now because we know that curly hair needs moisture we really dont want anything like mineral oil that will seal it out.

there are so many other quality oils that we can use on our hair like olive, jojoba, avocado and they will actually nourish our hair it just doesnt make sense to use petroleum and mineral oil and especially when you are paying so much money for a product with it as a main ingredient......just my 2 cents.
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okay... don't kill me. but i do want to try hair rules. they got me on the packaging. i just know those bottles will look so good in my shower. and oh, the video on the kinky curling cream. i was like dang! if its that easy them i'm sold.

i emailed them asking for samples and haven't heard anything. even if they had smaller sizes, i would try it.
OMG!!! I ordered and received these products, spent alot of $$ because I was ordering them for my children (3) who are all 4a, and 4b hair types. Wish I had seen these post before - I feel like I got beat! What to do now????
Dang...and guess what...I think that chick is the owner of Urbanbella Salon in Atlanta......

And SHE has a texturizer!!!!

See...that's another thing...he is using models that have texturized hair...which means 9 out of 10 times, the results will be completely different on someone that is 100% natural! I HATE that!!!


I personally think that this is one of the many reasons why so many women have such a hard time remaining natural and so many go back to relaxers or end up texturizing. Because they make you think that these "hair models" have 100% natural hair...and when someone with 100% natural hair tries it and gets a different out come...they get frustrated and think that there must be something wrong with thier hair!

URGGGGGGGGGGGG I'm REALLY pissed now!!!!
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown

Or they use models with blown out or brushed/combed out hair. To make it appear that their kinky hair turned to curls from a little water and their sticky product.

I always look closely at the model's hair and the curl pattern to make sure they aren't trying anything.[IMG]file:///C:/Users/od/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-3.jpg[/IMG]

On the Hair Rules website look at the first girl on the kinky page and the second girl on the curly page and you can clearly see that they have ALTERED naturally curly hair. It just looks like a blow out and a brush out. Then they washed it.


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Wonderful post....I am learning so much. I aim to avoid products with mineral oil. It destroyed my locs. Now that I have combed out my locs I want to take care of it and keep it healthy.

Thanks for the convo!
I spent so much money on these disappointing products! Anyone that is serious about their hair being heathy KNOWS that Mineral Oil and Petroletum are two of the worse things that we can put in our hair. I do not understand why the makers of Hair Rules products uses them! My hair was a greasy mess! I blasted them with a serious letter of complaint. They replied and tried to explain why they use those 2 ingrediants. They actually tried to justify why they use and encouraged me to use them too. Honey, I am serious about putting on the best on my hair, and I have done enough research to know that what they said to me was pure and simple BULL. Oh, and by the way, the 4 a/b model in the advertisement has a texturizer on her hair too! Look at the book Hair Rules and you will see the EXACT same sister modeling there. It states that she has a texturizer. Those are NOT natural curls made with Hair Rules products, so dont be dupped into thinking the products will turn your hair magically into the after picture that they have! ITS A LIE LADIES.
Adding my $.02...and laughing at all!

I noticed that someone said that MJs was actually considerably cheaper with better ingredients not long ago....I am wondering if they add the "bad" stuff (mineral oil, petro) because it is easier to mass produce?? Like maybe the products mix better or have a better shelf life or don't lose their potency (notice I didn't say effectiveness, cause they are not that for me)??

I purchased Miss Jessies in Feb....still got 3 basically full jars of CP, CC and CM and I KNEW right away they wouldn't work for me and that was before I started growing my hair out and really learning about what is good and not good. I had been natural for many years, but I kept my hair short and products were not as much of an issue. But this stuff, no matter how I tried to use it, did NOT work. Had me thinking my "good" hair was "bad"....LMAO. Anyway, I have been trying to unload it on someone willing. I will not even give it to my friends, cause I can't do them like that!!

As for the Hair Rules, Urbanbella tried to sell me on it (they send out Hair Rules samples with your order also). When I purchased KCCC and KCNT from them (good shipping prices)....but I wasn't even interested. I think this board for that, cause I didn't see anyone talking about it and I am trying hard not to be a PJ.

KC products work for me as to Afroveda products. I also like the Oyin Frank Juice, but they are slow to ship and shipping is too much IMO. I am not even interested in trial and error with any others at this point....
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Last edited by Dette; 08-16-2009 at 09:19 AM.
you all have me dying up in here - especially Nappy_curly_crown! When I BC'd I was looking for a natural hair salon in ATL and came across Urbanbella. I was so excited. Man, I went to a seminar and even bought my 1st Kinky Curly stash from there. Let me tell you, when I went up on that MJ website and saw that Kneesha had a silkener I almost died! I felt betrayed!!!! Thank goodness I didn't go in there for any type of service! I haven't been back to her salon since and that was over a year ago.

You know, back when I was a little girl and my mom and I used to read the Ebony & Essence together and I would tell her that I wanted my hair like certain pics - she hipped me to the game right away - telling me that my hair wouldn't look like that because the lady in the picture has "good hair" they they used a blow dryer on - and the model would be in an ad for a relaxer! LOL She even told me about weaves back in the 70's man.......the trickery they use to get you to buy a product...that's why I will forever come to NC to see what's up.
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Looking at the ingredient list on hair products has become second nature to me. I absolutely will not buy products with mineral oil, petroleum, or any of their derivitives ever. Advertisment is there to sell you stuff that you don't need. I almost fell into the Hair Rules trap...until I read the ingredients. We have to become informed consumers and demand the best for our hair.

Maybe one day they will stop selling us crap.
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So i have to say this because I just haven't seen this side of things represented. I am a pretty loyal patron of Urbanbella for purchasing my products and i have to say that I think that Kenisha runs a great business and provides a great service to the natural community in Atlanta. They do several free workshops and tea's on styling, and products-all products that i found extremely helpful in my first year of being natural. Now i will say that some of the staff can be a bit "militant" natural which in my opinion doesn't further the cause; by militant i mean, Anti-blow out, Anti-texturizer, Anti anything that is not in its completely natural state. Trust me i have had a few bad experiences but i have also had some very positive ones, particularly when i met the owner( i didn't know it was her). They have gotten better about that i think, maybe somone complained. Actually, i think they may have gotten some competition from a new salon in the area. I can see how someone might feel mislead by the fact that she had a silkner and they didn't know, but I also think that a part of running a Kinky, Curly Hair Apothecary (which is what Urbanbella's claim to fame is) is knowing and trying as many services and products that are out there if you are going to be selling them at your salon. I can say that Urbanbella sells a plethora of brands which is nice.

Now about Dickey, I went to the workshop he did at Urbanbella and well let's just say he and his staff in my opinion didn't handle the audience questions well; They weren't listening to us, but were rather telling us what we needed to do. I am sorry but that may fly up north, but it doesn't work like that in the south. I went to the 2nd session, i hear the other two were more smooth. I just wanted to say that he also commented because i mentioned the price; that its hard to have a line of products out there for the low price; and i do understand that,but at least if the price is high make sure the ingredients are good. I have tried teh hair rules line and the only thing i really loved was the condish it smells so good and worked well. I am sure the cleanser is good too but for the price and how much i use; i just can't swing it. Gotta stick to my $2.99 trader joe's
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I'm almost went to the Dickey salon b/c (I live in NYC) and about a yr ago, I saw a fellow (4aish) curly in Ashley Stewart and asked where she got her hair cut. She went on and and on about Dickey and he is a personal friend of her's and I was so excited b/c I rarely get hair dresser recs from fellow curlies offline. I damn near made the appt before I went to Ricky's and read the product ingredients. I was so disappointed and turned off by the ingredients I couldn't bring myself to give his hair cutting a try.

I later received several free samples of his stuff from Ricky's and simply threw them out. I thought about passing them on but the whole thing is just such a turn off. Like others have said, it feels like Dickey and MJs are trying to sell women a dream and it just feels very dishonest.

I loved and used MJs when I first went natural for a few mths before my hair began getting dry. It was such a waste and I believe mineral oil was the culprit.

I recently saw an ad on NC for the Dickey salon that showed the address. I learned its about 3 blocks from my house. But I'll still never go there
I am kind of confused. How is he misleading people. He believes that his products and methods work and he has clients that agree.

To portray him as some kind of natural hair care villain is a bit extreme.

I know people who don't mind using mineral oil etc. There hair can handle it. Everyone is different. I don't like the ingredient list so I haven't considered buying Hair Rules. There is a large Miss Jessie's banner on this site, but I am not going to go in on them.
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I'm almost went to the Dickey salon b/c (I live in NYC) and about a yr ago, I saw a fellow (4aish) curly in Ashley Stewart and asked where she got her hair cut. She went on and and on about Dickey and he is a personal friend of her's and I was so excited b/c I rarely get hair dresser recs from fellow curlies offline. I damn near made the appt before I went to Ricky's and read the product ingredients. I was so disappointed and turned off by the ingredients I couldn't bring myself to give his hair cutting a try.

I later received several free samples of his stuff from Ricky's and simply threw them out. I thought about passing them on but the whole thing is just such a turn off. Like others have said, it feels like Dickey and MJs are trying to sell women a dream and it just feels very dishonest.

I loved and used MJs when I first went natural for a few mths before my hair began getting dry. It was such a waste and I believe mineral oil was the culprit.

I recently saw an ad on NC for the Dickey salon that showed the address. I learned its about 3 blocks from my house. But I'll still never go there
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
i agree the products aren't for me either but did you read about trenell's experience with a haircut from them? it was super positive so if it's really just about a cut you might still consider them especially if it's that close.
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Uh please excuse the typos I was running to the doctor.

I have to get my gf to review what she bought. She's 3c.
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I recently tried Hair Rules . . . I got the Kinky kit . . . lol. I was not impressed.
The kinky hair creme made my hair stiff, very stiff . . . the hydrating creme helped a little. The one item I think I'd buy is the hydrating cream. It made for easier combing and smelled nice.

That's it . . . I'm so glad I bought the little sampler kit, instead of the regular sizes; I'd be so upset.
Thanks, Locs. I know his hair cutting skills have been talked about. I would just feel strange going to a salon where I am so against the products they produce.

I don't think he's a villain. I know some people like mineral oil but I also think a lot of people use it b/c they don't know better and certain product lines take advantage of that. Of course they want to sell their product. But lines like Dickeys and MJs make it look like they can transform your hair into something it is naturally not. I think they are misleading.

I'm almost went to the Dickey salon b/c (I live in NYC) and about a yr ago, I saw a fellow (4aish) curly in Ashley Stewart and asked where she got her hair cut. She went on and and on about Dickey and he is a personal friend of her's and I was so excited b/c I rarely get hair dresser recs from fellow curlies offline. I damn near made the appt before I went to Ricky's and read the product ingredients. I was so disappointed and turned off by the ingredients I couldn't bring myself to give his hair cutting a try.

I later received several free samples of his stuff from Ricky's and simply threw them out. I thought about passing them on but the whole thing is just such a turn off. Like others have said, it feels like Dickey and MJs are trying to sell women a dream and it just feels very dishonest.

I loved and used MJs when I first went natural for a few mths before my hair began getting dry. It was such a waste and I believe mineral oil was the culprit.

I recently saw an ad on NC for the Dickey salon that showed the address. I learned its about 3 blocks from my house. But I'll still never go there
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
i agree the products aren't for me either but did you read about trenell's experience with a haircut from them? it was super positive so if it's really just about a cut you might still consider them especially if it's that close.
Originally Posted by luvmylocs
Thanks, Locs. I know his hair cutting skills have been talked about. I would just feel strange going to a salon where I am so against the products they produce.

I don't think he's a villain. I know some people like mineral oil but I also think a lot of people use it b/c they don't know better and certain product lines take advantage of that. Of course they want to sell their product. But lines like Dickeys and MJs make it look like they can transform your hair into something it is naturally not. I think they are misleading.

I'm almost went to the Dickey salon b/c (I live in NYC) and about a yr ago, I saw a fellow (4aish) curly in Ashley Stewart and asked where she got her hair cut. She went on and and on about Dickey and he is a personal friend of her's and I was so excited b/c I rarely get hair dresser recs from fellow curlies offline. I damn near made the appt before I went to Ricky's and read the product ingredients. I was so disappointed and turned off by the ingredients I couldn't bring myself to give his hair cutting a try.

I later received several free samples of his stuff from Ricky's and simply threw them out. I thought about passing them on but the whole thing is just such a turn off. Like others have said, it feels like Dickey and MJs are trying to sell women a dream and it just feels very dishonest.

I loved and used MJs when I first went natural for a few mths before my hair began getting dry. It was such a waste and I believe mineral oil was the culprit.

I recently saw an ad on NC for the Dickey salon that showed the address. I learned its about 3 blocks from my house. But I'll still never go there
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
i agree the products aren't for me either but did you read about trenell's experience with a haircut from them? it was super positive so if it's really just about a cut you might still consider them especially if it's that close.
Originally Posted by luvmylocs
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick

+1 (especially the bolded)
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Patrice from Afrobella did an interview with Dickey for AOL Black Voices.

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This thread is funny, I don't know why I'm bumping it...I guess because I didn't see another NC thread on Hair Rules. I like the Curly Whip, and it doesn't have mineral oil (which I don't think is bad, but my hair doesn't like it). I don't know why he felt MO was necessary for the "kinky" formula, but not the "curly" formula...but I like it just the same. My hair has a bit of crunch b/c I was good and didn't touch my hair, but it's the kind that's easy to scrunch out.
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