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TheseRCurls 07-10-2008 04:37 PM

Going overboard and taking natural hair to the extreme
 
Ok, so I'm on another website, which shall remain nameless, and I respond to a post by describing my hair type as 4A. How about when I submitted my response, the website automatically changed 4A to nappy. Ok...? On this same website I've noticed that when people talk about relaxers and perms, the words are always spelled weird, like p.erm for instance. Now, I understand that the website wants to keep the discussions about natural hair, but to censor a post that describes a hair types is, in my opinion, going a little overboard. What are your thoughts?

rociobutterfly 07-10-2008 04:51 PM

Yeah.....I THINK I know which site that is! Hmmm not feeling all that. I heard they have to spell relaxer and perm wrong because the site automatically changes those words to "creamy crack" or something. And I really don't care for that word nappy. I am all about us embracing our hair and all, but that word just never settled well with me. If anyone ever called my hair nappy, that would be it. So although that site is based upon a well founded premise, IMO they do take some stuff too far. That's why I come here instead!:compress:

curlynikki 07-10-2008 04:54 PM

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...urality&page=2

empressri 07-10-2008 06:17 PM

IMHO it's like that because some people read too much into hair types. when you have a lot of women coming from a place of "good hair bad hair" and curly hair is nice, nappy hair isn't, you sort of can see why they try to break everyone out of stereotypes. and let me be real for a second, naturally curly is a FAB board, but err ah, this board wasn't geared towards the majority of the members that occupy that other site if you catch my drift.

HeatherNicole 07-10-2008 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by empressri (Post 641937)
IMHO it's like that because some people read too much into hair types. when you have a lot of women coming from a place of "good hair bad hair" and curly hair is nice, nappy hair isn't, you sort of can see why they try to break everyone out of stereotypes. and let me be real for a second, naturally curly is a FAB board, but err ah, this board wasn't geared towards the majority of the members that occupy that other site if you catch my drift.


and that's real talk.

Kitathena 07-10-2008 06:42 PM

Although I think it can be too militant sometimes, I do see the need for that board. It is geared more towards "cnapps" . In a world where straight/"good" hair is glorified , maybe there needs to be a place that is purely for those trying to love hair that is not embraced by society.

I know nappturality played a big part in me coming to love my own hair. I'd like to be a member, but I don't pay to belong to message boards.

subbrock 07-10-2008 07:57 PM

i think its just different on different hair sites. i know i get frustrated over there because sometimes i do feel like its too militant but at the same time im starting to get frustrated with this hair board because i feel like its not militant enough.
i love how i have different options. at the end of the day each site was created by someone out there who had a vision and either you respect their vision or dont go to their site.

cclark1 07-10-2008 08:24 PM

Girl, we all know which site you're talking about. That site is too militant for me. It's just not my cup of tea. But to each it's one. There is something out there for everyone, thank the Lord. There are several hair sites that just don't do it for me. You have to pick and chose which sites you gel with!

Suburbanbushbabe 07-10-2008 08:32 PM

They spell p.erm that way because if you spelled it the regular way it turns "perm" and "relaxer" into "chemical fire cream"

I don't like sites that do such censoring. It's simplistic and indicates they don't trust their readership.

TheseRCurls 07-11-2008 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe (Post 642081)
They spell p.erm that way because if you spelled it the regular way it turns "perm" and "relaxer" into "chemical fire cream"

I don't like sites that do such censoring. It's simplistic and indicates they don't trust their readership.

I know, and to get my point across I re-worded 4A to four A. I'm with you, I don't agree with nor do I like being censored, especially on a message board. 4A hair is not a bad word. Good grief people, it is JUST hair!

empressri 07-11-2008 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheseRCurls (Post 642393)

I know, and to get my point across I re-worded 4A to four A. I'm with you, I don't agree with nor do I like being censored, especially on a message board. 4A hair is not a bad word. Good grief people, it is JUST hair!


or is it? :wink:

TLMMM 07-11-2008 08:26 AM

that is a gemini board for me--
on the one hand I think its great there is a place for people to be able to come together and embrace their hair texture 4 and beyond. also, once you get off the loc board, they give great advice for taking care of your hair and keeping it moisturized. things I need in particular.
on the other, sometimes its a bit too much and people take things over board. the terms "chemical fire cream" and "hot blazing tool of torture" crack me up to no end. what I don't get is the whole "everyone needs to be nappy vibe" and yet the most revered/stalked fotki's on the site are of women with the 3b/c pattern. jokes.
I like the site for what it is. I go and complain on occasion, at the end I think there needs to be a nice blend of the two.

mariag002 07-11-2008 08:43 AM

chemical fire cream? LMAO!!! :laughing7:

rainshower 07-11-2008 08:44 AM

i appreciate the intentions and the motivation that the owner had when creating the site. but it almost seemed cultish to me in that women who were only a month or two into membership over there all of a sudden became preachy, as though they'd been chemical-free their whole lives.

so many people over there forgot that just a few weeks prior, they were in the same boat and had the same hair concerns and hangups as the people they talk down to. and it was pervasive in numerous threads and difficult to avoid. i stepped out of the majority of hair topics and gravitated toward the nonhair boards and eventually stopped logging on. i lurk every once in a while, but i don't go over there much anymore.

i appreciate women having a new-found love of their God-given hair texture. but i think that excitement and rediscovery causes some people to forget that they used to relax and straighten, they used to be ashamed of new growth showing, they used to use commercial shampoos and styling products, they used to avoid rain and humidity, they used to devote half a day sitting in a salon, etc. how soon, how soon they forget!

oh, and the censoring drove me crazy. i thought that was inconsiderate to the members and was borderline juvenile.

preciousjewel76 07-11-2008 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rainshower (Post 642497)
oh, and the censoring drove me crazy. i thought that was inconsiderate to the members and was borderline juvenile.

It *is* juvenile, IMO. Relaxers aren't the root of all evil. I think referring to them as chemical fire cream is over-the-top. Am I a horrible person because I had one? I certainly don't think so.

I also don't go over there much anymore, but I think each hair board has it's positives and negatives. I think, overall, that it's great that women of color have all of these forums to choose from to discuss their hair, no matter how they choose to wear it.

TLMMM 07-11-2008 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainshower (Post 642497)
i appreciate the intentions and the motivation that the owner had when creating the site. but it almost seemed cultish to me in that women who were only a month or two into membership over there all of a sudden became preachy, as though they'd been chemical-free their whole lives.

so many people over there forgot that just a few weeks prior, they were in the same boat and had the same hair concerns and hangups as the people they talk down to. and it was pervasive in numerous threads and difficult to avoid. i stepped out of the majority of hair topics and gravitated toward the nonhair boards and eventually stopped logging on. i lurk every once in a while, but i don't go over there much anymore.

i appreciate women having a new-found love of their God-given hair texture. but i think that excitement and rediscovery causes some people to forget that they used to relax and straighten, they used to be ashamed of new growth showing, they used to use commercial shampoos and styling products, they used to avoid rain and humidity, they used to devote half a day sitting in a salon, etc. how soon, how soon they forget!

oh, and the censoring drove me crazy. i thought that was inconsiderate to the members and was borderline juvenile.

ITA with this entire post. Especially the bolded. I have had more than one adventure with the three month in naturals trying to "convert me" and give me "advice" on going natural. Every last one of those adventures ended with the recommendation that I visit that board. meh.

Kitathena 07-11-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheseRCurls (Post 642393)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe (Post 642081)
They spell p.erm that way because if you spelled it the regular way it turns "perm" and "relaxer" into "chemical fire cream"

I don't like sites that do such censoring. It's simplistic and indicates they don't trust their readership.

I know, and to get my point across I re-worded 4A to four A. I'm with you, I don't agree with nor do I like being censored, especially on a message board. 4A hair is not a bad word. Good grief people, it is JUST hair!

It is JUST hair, but it's not really just HAIR.

I mean, think about it...this is a hair board and there is a deep thread concerning race...wherein people are treated a certain way because of their skin color and hair type.

I think boards like that are necessary in order to even out things in real life where natural hair is not truly appreciated. Yes, she censors over there and it's kind of "her way or the highway" but everyone knows that before they start out. And despite it being like that, a lot of people still choose to be active there because of the good vibes.

I look forward to the day when having a relaxer can just be a style that we choose and not such a big deal. But for me, my way of thinking when I had a relaxer was not a good thing.

subbrock 07-11-2008 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitathena (Post 643130)
I know, and to get my point across I re-worded 4A to four A. I'm with you, I don't agree with nor do I like being censored, especially on a message board. 4A hair is not a bad word. Good grief people, it is JUST hair!

It is JUST hair, but it's not really just HAIR.

I mean, think about it...this is a hair board and there is a deep thread concerning race...wherein people are treated a certain way because of their skin color and hair type.

I think boards like that are necessary in order to even out things in real life where natural hair is not truly appreciated. Yes, she censors over there and it's kind of "her way or the highway" but everyone knows that before they start out. And despite it being like that, a lot of people still choose to be active there because of the good vibes.

I look forward to the day when having a relaxer can just be a style that we choose and not such a big deal. But for me, my way of thinking when I had a relaxer was not a good thing.[/quote]

i totally agree with your post.
i want to say more but i have a feeling it would fall on deaf ears...

nickfish 07-11-2008 06:26 PM

Just because I stop perming my hair doesn't mean that I am against all "permies", lol. I mean really, who cares. Why does it have to an all or nothing, your either with us or against us kind of deal. When I first decided to go natural and I came across these websites it sort of freaked me out. But to each his own I guess.

TheseRCurls 07-11-2008 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subbrock (Post 643150)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitathena (Post 643130)
I know, and to get my point across I re-worded 4A to four A. I'm with you, I don't agree with nor do I like being censored, especially on a message board. 4A hair is not a bad word. Good grief people, it is JUST hair!

It is JUST hair, but it's not really just HAIR.

I mean, think about it...this is a hair board and there is a deep thread concerning race...wherein people are treated a certain way because of their skin color and hair type.

I think boards like that are necessary in order to even out things in real life where natural hair is not truly appreciated. Yes, she censors over there and it's kind of "her way or the highway" but everyone knows that before they start out. And despite it being like that, a lot of people still choose to be active there because of the good vibes.

I look forward to the day when having a relaxer can just be a style that we choose and not such a big deal. But for me, my way of thinking when I had a relaxer was not a good thing.

i totally agree with your post.
i want to say more but i have a feeling it would fall on deaf ears...[/quote]

I am fully aware of the implications and misconceptions of having natural hair. After having worn all different types of styles, including shaving my head nearly bald three times over, I guess I'm just over what people think or don't think about my hair. To be quite honest, I really don't care whether society appreciates my hair. If I cared, I'd still be wearing a relaxer. I'd rather society appreciate me, the person.


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