What does 4b hair look like when it's wet?

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Lately I've been trying to decide whether I'm a 4a or a 4b. When my hair is wet, it looks like 4a hair in that it has very tight coil pattern. When it's dry, it has more of that zig zag thing going on. Do any of you have pictures of what wet 4b hair looks like? If you do I would love to see them and deeply appreciate it.
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I think we may have similar hair. I just decided last week that I am a 4B...I realized that my hair does not look like any of the women on the 4A forum when it is dry. It may look somewhat like their dry hair when it is drenched. But I now understand what coils are.. My hair separates into a bunch of small coils. The coils don't dry that neatly. Therefore, it looks somewhat frizzy and they don't hang down when dry. They draw up into my head to form an afro that may or may not shake in pieces when I turn my head.

I attached pics of my coils (but they are dry and drawn up now).
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Sorry I don't have any picutres of my hair wet. I have a tad of curl definition when my hair is web. When my hair is dry I have NO curls at all. Almost none of my strands bend in the same dirction. Shoot if I pull it back I don't even get waves.
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I think we may have similar hair. I just decided last week that I am a 4B...I realized that my hair does not look like any of the women on the 4A forum when it is dry. It may look somewhat like their dry hair when it is drenched. But I now understand what coils are.. My hair separates into a bunch of small coils. The coils don't dry that neatly. Therefore, it looks somewhat frizzy and they don't hang down when dry. They draw up into my head to form an afro that may or may not shake in pieces when I turn my head.

I attached pics of my coils (but they are dry and drawn up now).
Originally Posted by Variety
Thank you so much for the pictures. I now know that I am a 4b and I am proud of it!

I'm just like you when it comes to waves, law. I can pull mine back and I won't get waves. It's flat, almost as if I blew it out and then pulled it back in a pony tail.
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Last edited by Shooting Star; 07-20-2008 at 05:57 PM.
I should have mentioned that I just took those pics yesterday after I used the coconut oil + aloe vera conditioner and used Fantasia IC gel in my hair. Gel-less, most of those coils might not exist while my hair is dry. If I sent a pic of my whole head, you would see that I may have 60% coil and the rest will not bunch together so it all just blends into a multipatterned afro.

When I pull into a ponytail, I don't have any waves either.
Variety, you just sold me on the Fantasia IC Gel. I wish I had coils like that when my hair is wet. Its just usually a big, wet, unidentifiable mess with very few coils. That product is definitely worth a try.

Also, same here, no waves when pulled back. Just falls flat and frizzes up.

I have twists now, but I will post a pic next time I wash.
I keep hearing about this Fantasia IC Gel. I'm just curious, does it come in a clear, cylinder like container and is sold at stores like Wal*Greens? If it is I'm going to get me some tomorrow.
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not sure about wal-green's but i know that they sell it at sally's.
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I think we have simular hair. I to barely have waves when I pull my hair into a bun or up. And it does not dry neatly. I do have a question though, from your picture it seems that youve been able to elongate your curl pattern pretty well which I am still puzzled at how to do. Do you attribute that to the products you use. I read about the drama you wen't through in another thread so I will not name the product but did that help.

I will try to post a picture of my wet hair, most of my pics may hair is dry.
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not sure about wal-green's but i know that they sell it at sally's.
Originally Posted by atxpoetess
Ah-ha. I actually own the IC pomade. I always called these products by another name and didn't even realize I owned one of them. I found the gel at a black hair care store and almost bought it, but I decided to go with something called Twists 'n Locs made with natural honey and aloe vera. I actually like it. It leaves my hair moist and with a fresh scent. I think I found my HG product.
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I actually don't like Fantasia IC as much as EcoStyler gel. My sister had the Fantasia, and although we are totally different hair types, I decided to try it also. It works wonders in her hair. But she also said that she is taking the time to work it through her hair. My hair DOES NOT hang or define itself that easily so I pretty much only want to deal with products that I don't have to work for hours to see a difference (this is my thought for the moment.. I am sure I will change in a week).

Naiha1, My hair isn't really elongated in the picture. In the one pic, I am actually holding a few strands of my hair out so that you can see what the strands look like. If I didn't hold them out, then it would be difficult to tell what my hair was doing. The coils are relatively small so they blend in with the uncoils (hehe).

After many attempts, I still haven't gotten my hair to look like the time I went to the salon and had them put the other product in there. I want to try again, but I hate sitting under the hooded dryer for hours. I want to use the 'Curlisto Styling Method' (I just learned what that is from YouTube) and try again before the end of the summer.
Variety - No disrespect but I think you are a definite 4a. From what I've read and seen 4b don't curl per se they form Z patterns wet or dry. From the pics you attached I would say you are a 4a.

I think I'm gonna take my hair type down it causes too much confusion and it doesn't matter anyway.
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I keep hearing about this Fantasia IC Gel. I'm just curious, does it come in a clear, cylinder like container and is sold at stores like Wal*Greens? If it is I'm going to get me some tomorrow.
Originally Posted by Shooting Star
Yes, they have it at all my local Walgreens locations.
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I only care about hair type because I need styling and product recommendations so that I don' t continue to waste time and money on stuff that won't do anything for me and my search for a variety of hairstyles. Those 4A styles were not working for me so I am settling in well with the B's. Below you will see 2 pics.. one with Curly Pudding pony puffs and another with a no product pony puff.
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Well, here are some pics of my wet hair. It was freshly poo-ed and conditioned, but I hadn't put any leave-in yet. No identifiable curls, completely random, and lots of shrinkage.

Its a mess, I know, but I love it anyway.
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The definitions seem somewhat fixed, but the 'zig-zag' vs 's' pattern is something I could never discern. Like Variety, I may have coils, but the majority is just there chillin. I agree that the products that work on 4a hair don't do the same for my hair; so I think that is how I made that distinction.
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It's like looking in a mirror! My coils are frizzy and not uniform. When dry they shrink up.

I think we may have similar hair. I just decided last week that I am a 4B...I realized that my hair does not look like any of the women on the 4A forum when it is dry. It may look somewhat like their dry hair when it is drenched. But I now understand what coils are.. My hair separates into a bunch of small coils. The coils don't dry that neatly. Therefore, it looks somewhat frizzy and they don't hang down when dry. They draw up into my head to form an afro that may or may not shake in pieces when I turn my head.

I attached pics of my coils (but they are dry and drawn up now).
Originally Posted by Variety
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You may very well be a mix of both. It's common to have several curl types. I'm a 4a/b, and most 4a's I know are a mix with something. When I first BC'd, I didn't have a curl pattern either, or rather, I had one but they didn't clump so I couldn't distinguish exactly how to classify it. But the more my hair grew and the more moisture I put into it, the more defined or clumped my curls/coils became.

Variety, from the pic with product, you seem to be a 4/a. No amount of products will give you a curl pattern you don't already have, they just define it.

Also, what's more important than your actual curl pattern is your texture. Texture makes all the difference in how well products will work on your hair. Rather than sticking with the 4b's b/c you share the same curl pattern, you'd be better off finding someone with your same texture and a similar curl pattern.
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Shoot, with my daughter, I just stand in front of the shelves of black hair care products (and get real strange looks from women of every color like I have dementia or something) and read labels. If one looks good and it comes in a small size and is not too expensive in that size, then I get it and try it on my daughter. Some stuff is great, some stuff is ok and other stuff needs to be run over with a semi. I think it is all individual. Your hair, your self image, how you like your hair to feel, how much time you like to spend on it, etc. It is all relative. In the end I put a big star on the lid of every product I like. Before I shop again, I look those over and make sure I know what I like.
Shoot, with my daughter, I just stand in front of the shelves of black hair care products (and get real strange looks from women of every color like I have dementia or something) and read labels. If one looks good and it comes in a small size and is not too expensive in that size, then I get it and try it on my daughter.
Originally Posted by Melecrystal
This is how I shop too--I basically grab the smallest of things that MIGHT work and give it a try. Which is probably why my medicine cabinet is PACKED with hair products!
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