I have some henna questions

Where can i buy it online?
How do i use it?
Is cassia the same thing?
How long does it take to loosen the curl?
How often do i use it?
Can I use it over semi permanent hair dye?
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Cassia and Henna are two very different things. But you can get information about and also purchase pure Henna online at

http://www.hennaforhair.com
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Like hairblogger said, you can get information at that website. I would definitely recommend reading the free e-book.
Where can i buy it online?
You can buy it at http://www.mehndiskinart.com/hair_henna_dye.htm, http://www.mehandi.com/, and http://stinastina.ecrater.com/. (Those are the 3 most popular here.)
How do i use it?
Basically you mix it up with what you decide on, let it sit, and then slop it in your hair. It's like a think frosting/mud mix. Then you let it sit for a number of hours and rince it out. That's a simplified version, but it's not much more complicated than that. Just have to decide what to put in it, how long you want to let it sit, and how long you want it in your hair.
Is cassia the same thing?
Cassia is not the same thing. It comes from a different plant, but is often called "neutral henna" because it does not have any color, but gives similar strength and conditioning as henna.
How long does it take to loosen the curl?
That is a question that can't be answered. For many people it doesn't affect their curl so there's a very good chance it won't loosen your curl at all.
How often do i use it?
As often as you like. Some do it weekly, some do it monthly, some do it every other month, etc.
Can I use it over semi permanent hair dye?
As long as you're using BAQ henna then yes.
You've already received great information so I'll just tellyou a little about what i do.

I buy my henna from http://www.hennaforhair.com, I use BAQ Jamila, and I get the "bridal" quality.

I like to mix mine with conditioner, so what I'm doing is actually called a henna gloss, I started doing this to avoid my hair getting overly dry from the henna. I have to say though, I just recently tried using henna and chamomile tea (thank you curlynikki), and no conditioner mixed in, and as long as I deep conditioned, my hair did not feel overly dry at all.

I've never used cassia, but I've heard it has similiar conditioning properties, without the red hue.

Henna has not loosened my curl at all, though I don't use it very often. I just touch up as needed and will often go months in between. My hair is very wiry so perhaps that's why I didn't notice a change in my curls. I like to use it because of it's conditioning and because I love the shine it gives to my hair.

I've never used a semi-perm color over it, but as Kitara said, as long as you're using body art quality henna, you should be fine.
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Facts about Jamila:

Our source about Jamila: Abid & Company (Pvt) Ltd.

Abid & Company makes two henna products under the Brand Name Jamila, we have been selling Quality Jamila Henna Products Since 2001.

1. There is only one company who makes Jamila Brand Henna, the company is Abid & Company (Pvt) Ltd. located in Lahore Pakistan.

2. They have two Brand Names for their henna, Jamila Brand and Malika Brand. Malika Brand Name Henna is not sold in North America.

3. Under the Jamila Brand name, two products are made;

a. The first product is packaged in a yellowish box, the inner packaging is a cellophane bag, the product is not date stamped. This product is highly recommended for dyeing your hair.

b. The second product is packaged in a silvery yellowish green box, the inner packaging is a foil bag, on the bottom of the box the product is date stamped with a red and white stamp. This product is recommended for tattooing and/or dyeing your hair.

4. No where on the Jamila packaging does the manufacturer state that the henna powder is Body Art Quality or BAQ. The phrase BAQ is only a marketing scheme.

Fiction about Jamila Henna products:

Jamila Brand does not have 5 different cuts of Jamila Henna;

Jamila Brand does not have infinite variables of packaging; Jamila Brand does not sell in bulk 1 kilo bags, (all Jamila Brand Henna Products are sold in 100 gram boxes)

Jamila Brand does not make 2 types of Body Art Quality Henna;

Jamila does not make a Jamila Brand Henna called "Jamila Bridal Art Quality Henna"

Some sites mislabel their henna products, making claims that the "henna for hair, quality" is BAQ when it is not, to test simply make a paste and apply it to the skin as a tattoo and wait for the results, if you only get a light stain that lasts a few days, it is Not "Body Art Quality".

What is Body Art Henna Powder:

The simple definition; any henna powder that can be used for Body Art Tattooing the henna has a higher concentration of dye, than henna used on hair.
My favorites
Qhemets AHOC,OHHB
Yemen Henna
HHC
AOHR Deep Conditioner
Coconut,Jojoba and JBC oils
Rosemary Oil/w horsetail,coltsfoot and Nettle leaves.
My own homemade mixtures
BlackStrap Molasses

http://public.fotki.com/mj11051
b. The second product is packaged in a silvery yellowish green box, the inner packaging is a foil bag, on the bottom of the box the product is date stamped with a red and white stamp. This product is recommended for tattooing and/or dyeing your hair.
Originally Posted by Ms Kitty
This is the one that people usually say as Bridal Quality.
Facts about Jamila:

Our source about Jamila: Abid & Company (Pvt) Ltd.

Abid & Company makes two henna products under the Brand Name Jamila, we have been selling Quality Jamila Henna Products Since 2001.

1. There is only one company who makes Jamila Brand Henna, the company is Abid & Company (Pvt) Ltd. located in Lahore Pakistan.

2. They have two Brand Names for their henna, Jamila Brand and Malika Brand. Malika Brand Name Henna is not sold in North America.

3. Under the Jamila Brand name, two products are made;

a. The first product is packaged in a yellowish box, the inner packaging is a cellophane bag, the product is not date stamped. This product is highly recommended for dyeing your hair.

b. The second product is packaged in a silvery yellowish green box, the inner packaging is a foil bag, on the bottom of the box the product is date stamped with a red and white stamp. This product is recommended for tattooing and/or dyeing your hair.

4. No where on the Jamila packaging does the manufacturer state that the henna powder is Body Art Quality or BAQ. The phrase BAQ is only a marketing scheme.

Fiction about Jamila Henna products:

Jamila Brand does not have 5 different cuts of Jamila Henna;

Jamila Brand does not have infinite variables of packaging; Jamila Brand does not sell in bulk 1 kilo bags, (all Jamila Brand Henna Products are sold in 100 gram boxes)

Jamila Brand does not make 2 types of Body Art Quality Henna;

Jamila does not make a Jamila Brand Henna called "Jamila Bridal Art Quality Henna"

Some sites mislabel their henna products, making claims that the "henna for hair, quality" is BAQ when it is not, to test simply make a paste and apply it to the skin as a tattoo and wait for the results, if you only get a light stain that lasts a few days, it is Not "Body Art Quality".

What is Body Art Henna Powder:

The simple definition; any henna powder that can be used for Body Art Tattooing the henna has a higher concentration of dye, than henna used on hair.
Originally Posted by Ms Kitty
Wow! I'd really like to talk to Catherine over at hennaforhair about this. She's the expert.
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Talk to whom you like, but if you go to other websites none of them describe their henna like that and it's the same thing.


Kitara that's the henna I use and I didn't get it from her. I got it here http://www.mehndiskinart.com/hair_henna_dye.htm and it's cheaper than her's and it's the exact same henna. There was a woman who had some of Catherine's henna on sale at ebay,I bought some just to see the difference and there was none. HTH
My favorites
Qhemets AHOC,OHHB
Yemen Henna
HHC
AOHR Deep Conditioner
Coconut,Jojoba and JBC oils
Rosemary Oil/w horsetail,coltsfoot and Nettle leaves.
My own homemade mixtures
BlackStrap Molasses

http://public.fotki.com/mj11051
Oh yea, that's where I got it from too. Ms Kitty. I actually used StinaStina for the 2008 crop though because her preorder price was cheaper. But yeah, Jamilla is all the same no matter where you buy it from so I'd go with the cheapest.

Onyx, I'm pretty sure I learned all of that in one way or another FROM Catherine's website. It's not new information.
Well, Ms Kitty - I suppose you're right.

I went to hennaforhair and posted your question, just as you worded it. At the bottom of your text, I asked if anyone could tell me if the information was true. I did this last night. I checked later last night, and I saw that one person had commented, but Catherine had not. I went back this morning to see if there were any additional comments, and my question had been removed from the forum, I had also been banned. I'm very disappointed and insulted. I've been a customer of theirs for over a year. I asked the question, not to make trouble, but just wanted some clarification.

Anyway, I guess they've just lost a loyal customer..
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Are you kidding me? See that's why I've never bought her product. That was just wrong. And now you see she's full of crap and didn't want to get called on it.
My favorites
Qhemets AHOC,OHHB
Yemen Henna
HHC
AOHR Deep Conditioner
Coconut,Jojoba and JBC oils
Rosemary Oil/w horsetail,coltsfoot and Nettle leaves.
My own homemade mixtures
BlackStrap Molasses

http://public.fotki.com/mj11051
Has anyone ever heard of or used something called kalpi tone powder to dye/condition their hair? Here's the site: http://www.spicesofindia.co.uk/acata...ne-Powder.html

I've heard of one lady on another board who has used this and really liked it.
what's the difference btw yemen and all those other varieties?
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what's the difference btw yemen and all those other varieties?
Originally Posted by jjnellie

Yemen has a higher dye content. Jamila has a great dye content and has a very fine sift, makes it easier to wash out.HTH
My favorites
Qhemets AHOC,OHHB
Yemen Henna
HHC
AOHR Deep Conditioner
Coconut,Jojoba and JBC oils
Rosemary Oil/w horsetail,coltsfoot and Nettle leaves.
My own homemade mixtures
BlackStrap Molasses

http://public.fotki.com/mj11051
Before anyone else goes ballistic, please consider a few things.

First of all, the "Facts About Jamila" page was posted buy David Parkin at Mehndi Skin Art. David has a long and unpleasant history of harassing people in the henna business, especially if he believes they are more successful than he. He started in on Catherine several years ago on the old Hennapage forum and was so rude and offended so many users that Catherine banned him from the forum in response to over a dozen complaints from other forum users.

In the years since, David has continually harassed Catherine by e-mail and through the Henna for Hair Forum, posting false statements about her, and "stealth" ads under assumed names for his site and his products.

The "Facts About Jamila" page appears to be just another form of harassment. Think about this for a moment. David is nursing an old grudge and has a well-known history of online attacks like this one, but every claim Catherine has ever made for the products she gets from the Jamila people can be easily confirmed with a single e-mail. Has anyone asked the obvious questions of the people who can prove or disprove David's claims?

As for OnyxCabelo having been "banned" from the H4H forum, I asked Catherine what was up and she said that she'd had a round of harassing e-mails from David and a threatening phone call in the previous two days, so when OnyxCabelo's post showed up on H4H, she deleted it and blocked the IP address to protect the forum while she was out of the office on business because she was concerned that this might be another assault on the forum from David Parkin and there was no time to investigate.

Catherine says she later e-mailed OnyxCabelo to explain the situation, apologized for the inconvenience and said she'd unlock her IP address. You can see OnyxCabelo's response here in this forum.

All this uproar here seems pretty fishy to me and it's the kind of thing many of us have seen David do repeatedly on H4H and elsewhere on the Web. He'll put up a post to see what kind of trouble he can stir up. He's been known to post under two or three false IDs in the same thread to create the illusion of "something happening."

My opinion is that instead of jumping to possbily unwarranted conclusions about Catherine, you should be asking some serious questions about the people pushing the "Facts About Jamila" and just what their agenda might be. You should also contact the Jamila company to find out whether there's any truth to David's claims.

Last edited by Alethea_71; 08-02-2008 at 12:27 PM. Reason: Minor addition and clarification at end.
What part of the "Facts about Jamila" isn't true. I just don't even get it. It's not like it's controversial or anything. How is it even attacking anything Catherine's said/done anyway? I guess I'm just missing something. It didn't change how I felt about h4h at all.

As far as being banned/unbanned. We're all human and we make mistakes. If Catherine e-mailed and apologized then it just shows that she TOO is not above making a mistake.

Last edited by Kitara; 08-02-2008 at 12:34 PM.
what's the difference btw yemen and all those other varieties?
Originally Posted by jjnellie
I've tried both the Yemen (from h4h) and both types of the Jamila (from MSA). The Jamila was easier to wash out, but I used honey that time and not with the Yemen so that could be a big factor.

Two things I noticed with the Yemen. First, the dye release was much quicker and stronger. I got some on my hands/arms and the Jamila was easily removed, but the Yemen stained almost immediately. Both I let sit for the same amount of time. The undated box of Jamila I let sit for about 8 hours and still didn't have the amount of dye release the Yemen had after only sitting an hour or so.

Second, I get much more orange runoff for much longer with Jamila. The Yemen lasted about a week, but with the Jamila it is still running orange 3 weeks later.

That said, in my hair, they really look the same. BUT ~ I also have very dark hair so it's really hard to tell or to compare the two.
[quote=Kitara;667584]What part of the "Facts about Jamila" isn't true. I just don't even get it. It's not like it's controversial or anything. How is it even attacking anything Catherine's said/done anyway?

You have to view the "Facts About Jamila" in context on David's site to understand what I mean, but David's s "fact sheet" is intended to imply that Catherine's claims about the Jamila products she sells are false but, as I said any of what she says can be confirmed or disproved with an e-mail to the head of the company.

I know for a fact that Catherine buys several metric tonnes out of each harvest and that the head of the company offers to prepare special sifts for her because she's a long-standing client and buys in large volume and that's the real problem with the "fact sheet." David is certain he knows all there is to know about how Jamila is prepared but he either doesn't know or refuses to believe or he chooses to ignore the fact that someone such as Catherine, who routinely buys in the volume that I know Catherine does, would get specially prepared product not available to anyone else because it's been custom-ordered. But...as I've said...you don't have to take anyone's word for this. If you doubt any of the information about Jamila on Catherine's sites, you can contact the head of Jamila and ask him yourself.

Last edited by Alethea_71; 08-02-2008 at 02:22 PM.
Before anyone else goes ballistic, please consider a few things.

First of all, the "Facts About Jamila" page was posted buy David Parkin at Mehndi Skin Art. David has a long and unpleasant history of harassing people in the henna business, especially if he believes they are more successful than he. He started in on Catherine several years ago on the old Hennapage forum and was so rude and offended so many users that Catherine banned him from the forum in response to over a dozen complaints from other forum users.

In the years since, David has continually harassed Catherine by e-mail and through the Henna for Hair Forum, posting false statements about her, and "stealth" ads under assumed names for his site and his products.

The "Facts About Jamila" is just another form of harassment. Think about this for a moment. David is nursing an old grudge and has a history of online attacks like this one, but every claim Catherine has ever made for the products she gets from the Jamila people can be easily confirmed with a single e-mail. Has anyone asked the obvious questions of the people who can prove or disprove David's claims?

As for OnyxCabelo having been "banned" from the H4H forum, I asked Catherine what was up and she said that she'd had a round of harassing e-mails from David and a threatening phone call in the previous two days, so when OnyxCabelo's post showed up on H4H, she deleted it and blocked the IP address to protect the forum while she was out of the office on business because she was concerned that this might be another assault on the forum from David Parkin and there was no time to investigate.

She says she later e-mailed OnyxCabelo to explain the situation, apologized for the inconvenience and said she'd unlock her IP address. You can see OnyxCabelo's response here in this forum.

All this uproar here seems pretty fishy to me and it's the kind of thing many of us have seen David do repeatedly on H4H and elsewhere on the Web. He'll put up a post to see what kind of trouble he can stir up. I've seen him post under two or three false IDs in the same thread to create the illusion of "something happening."

My opinion is that instead of jumping to unwarranted conclusions about Catherine, you should be asking some serious questions about the people pushing the "Facts About Jamila" and just what their agenda might be.
Originally Posted by Alethea_71
***I don't quite understand your the bolded statements.***

I did get Catherine's email, although it was only after I had sent an email to her. It would have been nice to get an email from her upfront explaining why she made the decision to remove the question and ban me in the first place. Nevertheless, prior to your post here, I had already come to understand - based on her email, why she made the decision she did. I suppose if i had had someone harrassing me like that i would have done the same thing.

Alethea_71 - it's very clear to me that you registered on this site to explain what took place, I can understand not wanting to taint Catherine's reputation. I have always admired Catherine's knowledge about henna, and that is why I was so shocked when she banned me. It took me by surprise, and just as she had a "knee jerk" reaction to me when I posted that question in the H4H forum, I had a "knee jerk" reaction to her when she deleted my post and banned me. I put my post out here to Ms Kitty, because I had not yet heard from Catherine, I had no idea what was going on, and I was shocked by the whole thing.


What I have a problem with now, is the fact that you make it sound as if I came here to stir up trouble. The fact is, Catherine did not email me back until after I had already posted that above comment to Ms Kitty about being banned. So, if you are incenuating that Catherine emailed me first, and that I still came here to stir up trouble - then you are DEAD wrong - and quite frankly I'm getting sick of the paranoia!! All I was looking for was answers. As I've mentioned, I've been Catherine's customer for over a year, I have only had admiration for her knowledge as it pertains to henna - but when this whole thing happened it had me completely flabbergasted. I had no previous knowledge of this Parkin history before I put that question on the forum!

Catherine did explain to me what happened in her email, but again, it was not until AFTER I made the above posted comment to Ms Kitty. I was actually planning on writing her this morning to explain that I understood her reaction and was glad she was going to reinstate my IP address - I then intended to come here and let everyone know about the her steps to rectify the situation. But instead, I stop in here, and it seems as if you are blaming me for the stir - so, I have to wonder who you are, just how much you know about the whole thing - and why you seem to be blaming me??

Also, I sure would like to know about this supposed "uproar" of which you speak - other than Ms Kitty's response to me - no one else has even mentioned anything more about it.

Additionally, regarding my original question about Ms Kitty's information about the Jamila henna, that was never addressed by Catherine in the email. In all honesty, I just wanted to know if there was any truth to it - I used to purchase yemen henna and then switched to Jamila, when I placed my order I was told I was getting Bridal quality henna - if someone else then tells me there is no such thing as bridal quality henna, isn't it natural that I would be curious to know if there is any truth to what they are saying and doesn't it make sense that I would go to my source to find out if it's true???

Seems to me that YOU are causing the uproar, and making me feel as if this is nothing more than ridicuous, bitter CRAP!! I'm sorry this David Whoever did this to you, Catherine - I won't speak of it any more - it's just too sickening.
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"I did get Catherine's email, although it was only after I had sent an email to her. It would have been nice to get an email from her upfront explaining why she made the decision to remove the question and ban me in the first place. Nevertheless, prior to your post here, I had already come to understand - based on her email, why she made the decision she did. I suppose if i had had someone harrassing me like that i would have done the same thing.

What I have a problem with now, is the fact that you make it sound as if I came here to stir up trouble. The fact is, Catherine did not email me back until after I had already posted that above comment to Ms Kitty about being banned. So, if you are incenuating that Catherine emailed me first, and that I
still came here to stir up trouble - then you are DEAD wrong - and quite frankly I'm getting sick of the paranoia!! All I was looking for was answers. As I've mentioned, I've been Catherine's customer for over a year, I have only had admiration for her knowledge as it pertains to henna - but when this whole thing happened it had me completely flabbergasted. I had no previous knowledge of this Parkin history before I put that question on the forum!"
"

Catherine was out of the office for a long stretch at a series of business meetings. Is it possible that would explain her delay in getting back to you?

Also, I don't think you should take this personally. As I said earlier, she thought your post was actually David ramping up another series of attacks on the forum, she was on a tight schedule and there was no time to do anything except cut off whoever that was and deal with the situation later.

Neither she nor I make any assumptions about you personally or your motives. What I can say for certain is that she assumed, although she later admitted, incorrectly, that your post might be a lead-in to trouble on the forum, however, that was a snap assessment of an ongoing situation and not a judgment about you individually.

Last edited by Alethea_71; 08-02-2008 at 01:42 PM.

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