Big chopped I am new and need some advice

I posted in the intro section i think i should have posted here but i dont know how to move the post if that is even possible,would anyone mind reading my post and giving me some feedback please?
TIA
Here is the link to my other post thank you for any help you can give me
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...662#post705662
Welcome!

My suggestion, first and foremost, is to read up on the Curly Girl (or CG) method. That is by far what most curlies, of any ethnicity, follow around here. This describes the methods of cowashing and how to detangle your hair.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=14222

Products: There is no "one size fits all" list we can give you. Different products work for different heads of hair, even different heads of 3c/4a hair. Most folks start out with a cheapie conditioner like Suave or V05, gel, and maybe some type of oil. Also, a wide-toothed comb is a must. Other than that, you just have to experiment to find out what works for you. I recommend trying drugstore/BSS brands first, then branching off from there. You don't need to purchase anything online if you don't want to.
4A - dense, medium strands - APL/BSL - 3+ years natural!

YAY!: GF Triple Nutrition Conditioner, YTCu Color Care Conditioner, Shea Moisture Deep Treatment Masque, LOTD AV Gel, EVCO, JCN&S, KCCC, buns and updos!
i agree with preciousjewel. when i first found this site i bought the book "curly girl" by lorraine masey and it really helped.
and like she said there is no one product that all hair of a certain type likes (with the exception of jessicurl wdt! just kidding...kind of).

you dont have to use different products for the different hairtypes that you have. but now is definetly the time to have fun experimenting with different products. i think i started buying products from curlmart, trying different sample packs of product lines. but you definitely dont have to do that.
the products that have consistently worked for me over ther years are elucence moisture balancing conditioner, any kind of oil (my hair loves it!), just about any brand of aloe vera gel, and jessicurl weekly deep treatment and too shea conditioner.

welcome to the site!
Welcome!

My suggestion, first and foremost, is to read up on the Curly Girl (or CG) method. That is by far what most curlies, of any ethnicity, follow around here. This describes the methods of cowashing and how to detangle your hair.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=14222

Products: There is no "one size fits all" list we can give you. Different products work for different heads of hair, even different heads of 3c/4a hair. Most folks start out with a cheapie conditioner like Suave or V05, gel, and maybe some type of oil. Also, a wide-toothed comb is a must. Other than that, you just have to experiment to find out what works for you. I recommend trying drugstore/BSS brands first, then branching off from there. You don't need to purchase anything online if you don't want to.
Originally Posted by preciousjewel76
Welcome!! ITA with bolded. Preciousjewel76 already gave you some really good advice. But, here's what I like to use, though as preciousjewel76 said, you will have to do your own experimenting to determine what works best for your hair.

Personally, I like to co-wash with Suave Tropical Coconut - pretty cheap, but good stuff or I also like to co-wash with Abba Pure Moisture, a little more costly, but I like the menthol feeling (it makes my scalp feel very clean). I will then use any one of my fav rotation conditioners - these are the ones I really like: Oyin Honey Hemp, TIGI Moisture Maniac, Aubrey Organic Honeysuckle Rose, Biolage ultrahydrating Balm, or anything else i happen to be experimenting with at the time - I try to stay with more natural products and and lately have been very conscientious about cones.

I'm personally a big fan of qhemet biologics - particularly the Olive Honey Hydrating Balm and the Alma Olive Heavy cream. To define my curls I use conditioner - I was using TIGI MM by itself to define my curls and it was working great, but I found that when it gets on my scalp its a little too itchy and irritating, and I recently found out that this is because it has some ingredients in it that are by nature slightly irritating to the skin. So, just yesterday, I tried Giovanni Smooth as Silk for the first time, and it worked very well. The Giovanni is not as heavy as the TIGI, so over the giovanni I added some Bioterra Styling Glaze, and I had a very good hair day.

Regarding your hair type, it was a little difficult for me to really see your pictures, but it does appear that you may be a 3c/4a. Here is a picture of my hair. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...7&d=1219557453 , http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...6&d=1219557255

My hair is very thick, and very wiry, take a look - perhaps we are hair related. Firstly, just keep in mind that it really is true, what works for some doesn't work for all - I think we've all learned that the hard way - thank heaven for the swap board. Secondly,you can learn tons of information from all of the boards regardless of type, so feel free to jump around and also use the search feature - it's very helpful. And last but not least, if you still have questions, feel free to post them - everyone around here is so helpful!!
Currently:Alaffia Shea & Coconut Enriching Shampoo, Alaffia Virgin Coconut & Shea Enriching Hair Lotion, Qhemet Amla Olive Heavy Cream, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Gel.

Last Texturizer: March 12, 2008
BC: July 21, 2008
Hair: Coarse, low porosity, iii.

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Last edited by OnyxCabelo; 09-02-2008 at 03:34 PM. Reason: typo
Welcome!

My suggestion, first and foremost, is to read up on the Curly Girl (or CG) method. That is by far what most curlies, of any ethnicity, follow around here. This describes the methods of cowashing and how to detangle your hair.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=14222

Products: There is no "one size fits all" list we can give you. Different products work for different heads of hair, even different heads of 3c/4a hair. Most folks start out with a cheapie conditioner like Suave or V05, gel, and maybe some type of oil. Also, a wide-toothed comb is a must. Other than that, you just have to experiment to find out what works for you. I recommend trying drugstore/BSS brands first, then branching off from there. You don't need to purchase anything online if you don't want to.
Originally Posted by preciousjewel76
Thank you so much Precious,if i experiment too much will it damage my hair? it is great to know i don`t have to buy two sets of products for my different hair types what a relief! i did read the link on cg great info to get started with,one question why cant we brush our hair?
i agree with preciousjewel. when i first found this site i bought the book "curly girl" by lorraine masey and it really helped.
and like she said there is no one product that all hair of a certain type likes (with the exception of jessicurl wdt! just kidding...kind of).

you dont have to use different products for the different hairtypes that you have. but now is definetly the time to have fun experimenting with different products. i think i started buying products from curlmart, trying different sample packs of product lines. but you definitely dont have to do that.
the products that have consistently worked for me over ther years are elucence moisture balancing conditioner, any kind of oil (my hair loves it!), just about any brand of aloe vera gel, and jessicurl weekly deep treatment and too shea conditioner.

welcome to the site!
Originally Posted by subbrock
Thanks Subbrok,
Where can i find the the elucence conditioner?my hair loves oil as well but i am a bit heavy handed with it at times Thank you for the welcome too.
Welcome!

My suggestion, first and foremost, is to read up on the Curly Girl (or CG) method. That is by far what most curlies, of any ethnicity, follow around here. This describes the methods of cowashing and how to detangle your hair.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=14222

Products: There is no "one size fits all" list we can give you. Different products work for different heads of hair, even different heads of 3c/4a hair. Most folks start out with a cheapie conditioner like Suave or V05, gel, and maybe some type of oil. Also, a wide-toothed comb is a must. Other than that, you just have to experiment to find out what works for you. I recommend trying drugstore/BSS brands first, then branching off from there. You don't need to purchase anything online if you don't want to.
Originally Posted by preciousjewel76
Welcome!! ITA with bolded. Preciousjewel76 already gave you some really good advice. But, here's what I like to use, though as preciousjewel76 said, you will have to do your own experimenting to determine what works best for your hair.

Personally, I like to co-wash with Suave Tropical Coconut - pretty cheap, but good stuff or I also like to co-wash with Abba Pure Moisture, a little more costly, but I like the menthol feeling (it makes my scalp feel very clean). I will then use any one of my fav rotation conditioners - these are the ones I really like: Oyin Honey Hemp, TIGI Moisture Maniac, Aubrey Organic Honeysuckle Rose, Biolage ultrahydrating Balm, or anything else i happen to be experimenting with at the time - I try to stay with more natural products and and lately have been very conscientious about cones.

I'm personally a big fan of qhemet biologics - particularly the Olive Honey Hydrating Balm and the Alma Olive Heavy cream. To define my curls I use conditioner - I was using TIGI MM by itself to define my curls and it was working great, but I found that when it gets on my scalp its a little too itchy and irritating, and I recently found out that this is because it has some ingredients in it that are by nature slightly irritating to the skin. So, just yesterday, I tried Giovanni Smooth as Silk for the first time, and it worked very well. The Giovanni is not as heavy as the TIGI, so over the giovanni I added some Bioterra Styling Glaze, and I had a very good hair day.

Regarding your hair type, it was a little difficult for me to really see your pictures, but it does appear that you may be a 3c/4a. Here is a picture of my hair. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...7&d=1219557453 , http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...6&d=1219557255

My hair is very thick, and very wiry, take a look - perhaps we are hair related. Firstly, just keep in mind that it really is true, what works for some doesn't work for all - I think we've all learned that the hard way - thank heaven for the swap board. Secondly,you can learn tons of information from all of the boards regardless of type, so feel free to jump around and also use the search feature - it's very helpful. And last but not least, if you still have questions, feel free to post them - everyone around here is so helpful!!
Originally Posted by OnyxCabelo
Hey Onyx, *waving*
Thank you for the welcome,I think we may be hair related..yeah! you have listed alot of products I have been eyeing so i must confess i am a recovering pj, since well before my big chop...lol so i am trying not to buy everything i read about (keyword trying). I would like to try qhemet biologics is it an expensive line of products? i have been reading great reviews on this line but i wanted to get some hair advice before proceeding into "spend mode" lol and does anyone use products from blended beauty or curls ?
You all have been a great help thank you so much. Here is a big hug from a hair newbie ((((((HUGS)))))) I hope to get to know you all and my hair too.
Hello MsConfusedCurliness,
I'm new to the board, too (in a way). I used to post here years ago, when the board was rather new. But I've lurked on and off for years and just decided to register and start posting recently. So welcome from a relative newbie.

I agree with all the advice you've been given already. I love the Curly Girl method! I wasn't relaxed bone-straight--so I started using it while still relaxed and noticed a difference in my hair right away.

My hair continues to surprise me (and change more, with care using the CG method).

For example, I experienced a couple of inches of scab hair (hair that comes out of your scalp kind of damaged after you stop relaxing). It was dry, very coarse, not curly or straight--just a coarse clump of frizz that didn't respond well to products, water--nothin'.

To be honest, not realizing it was "scab hair" at the time--I was tempted to relax it again. lol. I wouldn't have imagined the hair growing out of that area now was possible. But the hair beneath it is very fine, soft and....it curls! Who knew? lol.

So the only advice I have is to try to have patience with your hair (and yourself). It can be tough, when your hair doesn't look (or feel) as you hoped. But hang in there! You're off to a great start, seeking advice here, and chopping all the straight off.

best to you,
blyss
Thanks for the welcome blyss,
I have never read about scab hair, is it flaky?I read all the messages and went and cowashed my hair right away and put in leave in conditioner and let it dry..lol. I am a bit of a fanatic about my hair right now bc i am not comfortable with so little hair,it has only been a week since my big chop and i already want my hair down to my ankles..lol j/k. What i know of my new hair so far is... it is shiny with moisturizer,it curls up and some parts are wavy all over my head,it hangs when wet or feels droopy since i do not have enough hair to actually hang yet,absorbs water easily,feels thinner than i would like, i am hoping for fluffy beautiful thick hair like dianna ross` hair grows out of my head as it gets longer, but either way i am happy with no more chems in my hair.It needs moisture or it is dry as the desert,it is soft to the touch but not like cotton if that makes sense,and it hates holding gels.I do not want to deplete the savings acct on hair products so i am gathering as much info as i can and choosing my products carefully.today i cowashed with organix conditioner then rubbed in some shea butter leave in and it is dry now and i took more pics,i like the conditioner only feel but i fear tomorrow it will not look like this,so should i wait to moisturize tomorrow and seal w/oil or do it now since the cond. is dry? here are pics i just took after leave in conditioner dried...I believe i am a 3c/4a it is so nice to feel i am learning some things about my hair
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Thanks for the welcome blyss,
I have never read about scab hair, is it flaky?I read all the messages and went and cowashed my hair right away and put in leave in conditioner and let it dry..lol. I am a bit of a fanatic about my hair right now bc i am not comfortable with so little hair,it has only been a week since my big chop and i already want my hair down to my ankles..lol j/k. What i know of my new hair so far is... it is shiny with moisturizer,it curls up and some parts are wavy all over my head,it hangs when wet or feels droopy since i do not have enough hair to actually hang yet,absorbs water easily,feels thinner than i would like, i am hoping for fluffy beautiful thick hair like dianna ross` hair grows out of my head as it gets longer, but either way i am happy with no more chems in my hair.It needs moisture or it is dry as the desert,it is soft to the touch but not like cotton if that makes sense,and it hates holding gels.I do not want to deplete the savings acct on hair products so i am gathering as much info as i can and choosing my products carefully.today i cowashed with organix conditioner then rubbed in some shea butter leave in and it is dry now and i took more pics,i like the conditioner only feel but i fear tomorrow it will not look like this,so should i wait to moisturize tomorrow and seal w/oil or do it now since the cond. is dry? here are pics i just took after leave in conditioner dried...I believe i am a 3c/4a it is so nice to feel i am learning some things about my hair
Originally Posted by MsConfusedCurliness

Ms Confused you're doing great. Welcome to the board. The girls have shared great advice so I'll pretty much say ditto -lol.

I would give you a forewarning and tell you that what works for one def doesn't work for others. We have so many various experiences with each product because our hair though 3c or 4a is as individual as ourselves.

I would take the time to play around with products as a plus - though I know it can be expensive , it was definitely my hobby for a while and a fun one at that.

Welcome again !

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Thanks Subbrok,
Where can i find the the elucence conditioner?my hair loves oil as well but i am a bit heavy handed with it at times Thank you for the welcome too.
Originally Posted by MsConfusedCurliness
curlmart (this website) sells it and pleasantimage.com
I'm new to this post and need to know!
The back of my hair can be viewed on my blog:
timothysmom.wordpress.com
Basically, the front has like 1/8th of an inch of relaxer so it's straight, but the pic of the back of my hair has these hanging locs. I have to wet my hair or it's a mixture of frizz and locks.
What's my hairtype): PLEASE.
Thanks for the welcome blyss,
I have never read about scab hair, is it flaky?I read all the messages and went and cowashed my hair right away and put in leave in conditioner and let it dry..lol. I am a bit of a fanatic about my hair right now bc i am not comfortable with so little hair,it has only been a week since my big chop and i already want my hair down to my ankles..lol j/k. What i know of my new hair so far is... it is shiny with moisturizer,it curls up and some parts are wavy all over my head,it hangs when wet or feels droopy since i do not have enough hair to actually hang yet,absorbs water easily,feels thinner than i would like, i am hoping for fluffy beautiful thick hair like dianna ross` hair grows out of my head as it gets longer, but either way i am happy with no more chems in my hair.It needs moisture or it is dry as the desert,it is soft to the touch but not like cotton if that makes sense,and it hates holding gels.I do not want to deplete the savings acct on hair products so i am gathering as much info as i can and choosing my products carefully.today i cowashed with organix conditioner then rubbed in some shea butter leave in and it is dry now and i took more pics,i like the conditioner only feel but i fear tomorrow it will not look like this,so should i wait to moisturize tomorrow and seal w/oil or do it now since the cond. is dry? here are pics i just took after leave in conditioner dried...I believe i am a 3c/4a it is so nice to feel i am learning some things about my hair
Originally Posted by MsConfusedCurliness

Ms Confused you're doing great. Welcome to the board. The girls have shared great advice so I'll pretty much say ditto -lol.

I would give you a forewarning and tell you that what works for one def doesn't work for others. We have so many various experiences with each product because our hair though 3c or 4a is as individual as ourselves.

I would take the time to play around with products as a plus - though I know it can be expensive , it was definitely my hobby for a while and a fun one at that.

Welcome again !
Originally Posted by foxycus02
Hey foxy,
thank you your advice is appreciated, i am understanding that i will have to test out different products to find what my hair likes, that is a really fun hobby though hubby may have a bigger issue with my testing journey...lol.I am going to the whole foods tomorrow to check out some products i have been writing down if they do not work i can try them on either of my daughters hair or give them to my mom so no wasting for me
Thanks for the welcome blyss,
I have never read about scab hair, is it flaky?I read all the messages and went and cowashed my hair right away and put in leave in conditioner and let it dry..lol. I am a bit of a fanatic about my hair right now bc i am not comfortable with so little hair,it has only been a week since my big chop and i already want my hair down to my ankles..lol j/k. What i know of my new hair so far is... it is shiny with moisturizer,it curls up and some parts are wavy all over my head,it hangs when wet or feels droopy since i do not have enough hair to actually hang yet,absorbs water easily,feels thinner than i would like, i am hoping for fluffy beautiful thick hair like dianna ross` hair grows out of my head as it gets longer, but either way i am happy with no more chems in my hair.It needs moisture or it is dry as the desert,it is soft to the touch but not like cotton if that makes sense,and it hates holding gels.I do not want to deplete the savings acct on hair products so i am gathering as much info as i can and choosing my products carefully.today i cowashed with organix conditioner then rubbed in some shea butter leave in and it is dry now and i took more pics,i like the conditioner only feel but i fear tomorrow it will not look like this,so should i wait to moisturize tomorrow and seal w/oil or do it now since the cond. is dry? here are pics i just took after leave in conditioner dried...I believe i am a 3c/4a it is so nice to feel i am learning some things about my hair
Originally Posted by MsConfusedCurliness

Ms Confused you're doing great. Welcome to the board. The girls have shared great advice so I'll pretty much say ditto -lol.

I would give you a forewarning and tell you that what works for one def doesn't work for others. We have so many various experiences with each product because our hair though 3c or 4a is as individual as ourselves.

I would take the time to play around with products as a plus - though I know it can be expensive , it was definitely my hobby for a while and a fun one at that.

Welcome again !
Originally Posted by foxycus02
Hey foxy,
thank you your advice is appreciated, i am understanding that i will have to test out different products to find what my hair likes, that is a really fun hobby though hubby may have a bigger issue with my testing journey...lol.I am going to the whole foods tomorrow to check out some products i have been writing down if they do not work i can try them on either of my daughters hair or give them to my mom so no wasting for me
Originally Posted by MsConfusedCurliness


Yup, that's what I do. I don't have children. But my sister and my cousins especially love to dig through my "product stash".

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Welcome!

My suggestion, first and foremost, is to read up on the Curly Girl (or CG) method. That is by far what most curlies, of any ethnicity, follow around here. This describes the methods of cowashing and how to detangle your hair.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=14222

Products: There is no "one size fits all" list we can give you. Different products work for different heads of hair, even different heads of 3c/4a hair. Most folks start out with a cheapie conditioner like Suave or V05, gel, and maybe some type of oil. Also, a wide-toothed comb is a must. Other than that, you just have to experiment to find out what works for you. I recommend trying drugstore/BSS brands first, then branching off from there. You don't need to purchase anything online if you don't want to.
Originally Posted by preciousjewel76
Thank you so much Precious,if i experiment too much will it damage my hair? it is great to know i don`t have to buy two sets of products for my different hair types what a relief! i did read the link on cg great info to get started with,one question why cant we brush our hair?
Originally Posted by MsConfusedCurliness
Some advise against brushing dry hair because it breaks up your curls turning it into a frizzy mess. Also if you're not using the right kind of brush and technique it will be hard on your hair. I think a lot of people will still brush their hair to distribute oils from the scalp all the way down their hair if they're about to wash or not looking for defined curls that day. I think most put something on their hair to make it slip along the length and not cause tangles or drama.
layer cake of tight, spongy and silky/thready S strands that kink more than they coil
spiced with a few spiral coils and non-curling waves
mostly medium and fine with a sprinkle of coarse strands
protein is yummy
Welcome!

My suggestion, first and foremost, is to read up on the Curly Girl (or CG) method. That is by far what most curlies, of any ethnicity, follow around here. This describes the methods of cowashing and how to detangle your hair.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=14222

Products: There is no "one size fits all" list we can give you. Different products work for different heads of hair, even different heads of 3c/4a hair. Most folks start out with a cheapie conditioner like Suave or V05, gel, and maybe some type of oil. Also, a wide-toothed comb is a must. Other than that, you just have to experiment to find out what works for you. I recommend trying drugstore/BSS brands first, then branching off from there. You don't need to purchase anything online if you don't want to.
Originally Posted by preciousjewel76
Thank you so much Precious,if i experiment too much will it damage my hair? it is great to know i don`t have to buy two sets of products for my different hair types what a relief! i did read the link on cg great info to get started with,one question why cant we brush our hair?
Originally Posted by MsConfusedCurliness
Some advise against brushing dry hair because it breaks up your curls turning it into a frizzy mess. Also if you're not using the right kind of brush and technique it will be hard on your hair. I think a lot of people will still brush their hair to distribute oils from the scalp all the way down their hair if they're about to wash or not looking for defined curls that day. I think most put something on their hair to make it slip along the length and not cause tangles or drama.
Originally Posted by CoilyOne1812
I am using the Denman brush but the points feel odd on my scalp like i am scraping it,my hair is too thin I am adding castor oil to thicken up my hair.
Here is a picture of my hair. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...7&d=1219557453 , http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...6&d=1219557255

My hair is very thick, and very wiry, take a look - perhaps we are hair related.
Originally Posted by OnyxCabelo
Good God woman, your hair is puuurrrrty!! Does look very thick but not at all wiry. Nice!

Ms Confused - Welcome! I'm still new to this also (est. Aug 1, 200. As a newbie I don't have much specific hair care advice because I'm still learning. But in general, you will find TONS of info in these threads and via the women who've created them. Most importantly don't get discouraged! We all have a love/hate deal with our hair....and it runs deep! I just went through a rough week but I always picture the beautiful curly heads in the forums here and feel encouraged to try again.

I can say that while experimenting with moisture I've found EVOO & Honey to work good for me (but your pics look like you have thinner/finer hair than my thick stuff - so it may be too heavy) as well as Jessicurl Weekly Deep Treatments (I've been using small amounts to moisturize). EVOO & Honey are less expensive to start; also Aloe Vera as others have suggested. I'm not big on buying from the net (only cuz I'm so impatient!) But visit the products websites to find out if it is sold locally - WholeFoods, The Vitamin Shoppe, Marshall's/TJMaxx have products available often. Good luck with your new hair care!
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