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Old 09-26-2008, 01:48 PM   #1
 
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Question Has anyone tried a silkener-like the ones Ms. Jessie's does?

Hey curly ladies! Don't kill me, but after growing out my relaxer and doing the big chop I am missing my straight her styles. I've been wearing my hair straight most of the summer and weaving it. I got tired of the almost daily need to do something to my natural culry hair. I am thinking of putting some chemicals back in, and was thinking about the silkener. From Miss Jesie's website with the silkener you can wear straight styles with less shrinkage and frizz, and you don't lose your natural curl. Has anyone tried it? what was your experience?
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I don't have a silkener but I do have a texturizer. Similar enough thing. I stopped short of transitioning because I wanted to have options with my hair.

But I'm very close to stop texturizing completely because: (1) I very rarely wear it straight anymore (2) When I did straighten it never really looked good. Its always "poofy" (3) The amount of heat took to get my hair straight on top of the chemicals really damaged my hair. The reasons I still texturize is because my hair is very thick (to the point of being unmanageable) and predictablity.

My thoughts are all hair requires maintenance so you have to "do" something whether its straight or curly. It doesn't sound like you like wearing curly hair. Find out what your hair priority is right now: overall hair health, options, etc and make the best choice for yourself.


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Hey curly ladies! Don't kill me, but after growing out my relaxer and doing the big chop I am missing my straight her styles. I've been wearing my hair straight most of the summer and weaving it. I got tired of the almost daily need to do something to my natural culry hair. I am thinking of putting some chemicals back in, and was thinking about the silkener. From Miss Jesie's website with the silkener you can wear straight styles with less shrinkage and frizz, and you don't lose your natural curl. Has anyone tried it? what was your experience?
I haven't tried Miss Jessies (I live on a different coast). But I have read plenty of comments from prior clients of theirs. Feedback from various hair boards (including this one years ago), on-line reviews, etc.

My comments are based on what I've read and witnessed as an observer, not on my personal experiences with them.

1. Whatever you pay today for the silkener, probably wouldn't be what you pay when you return for a touch up. They are infamous for price increases. I'm not talking about small percent increases, but hefty raises in rates. It's my understanding that this is the one constant with this particular business.

2. I understand the sisters have had many ups and downs, in the course of running a business. Such is life and it's a completely expected part of being independent business owners.

I'm not trying to bash or belittle anyone here. But if I had to decide whether or not to obtain services (even a hair cut) with them, I would not.

At least twice that I'm aware of, their salon has gone on hiatus and left clients high and dry--with no notice, no where to go to be serviced. Just my opinion, but I feel clients deserve better than finding out on-line (or from anyone other than their stylist) that the salon isn't available--and won't be for months on end.

I mention these things as you should be aware of them before you make a commitment to obtaining hair care services (particularly chemical services) with this salon, and these stylists. Totally fyi.

Good luck on making a decision, either way!

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Hey curly ladies! Don't kill me, but after growing out my relaxer and doing the big chop I am missing my straight her styles. I've been wearing my hair straight most of the summer and weaving it. I got tired of the almost daily need to do something to my natural culry hair. I am thinking of putting some chemicals back in, and was thinking about the silkener. From Miss Jesie's website with the silkener you can wear straight styles with less shrinkage and frizz, and you don't lose your natural curl. Has anyone tried it? what was your experience?
I haven't tried Miss Jessies (I live on a different coast). But I have read plenty of comments from prior clients of theirs. Feedback from various hair boards (including this one years ago), on-line reviews, etc.

My comments are based on what I've read and witnessed as an observer, not on my personal experiences with them.

1. Whatever you pay today for the silkener, probably wouldn't be what you pay when you return for a touch up. They are infamous for price increases. I'm not talking about small percent increases, but hefty raises in rates. It's my understanding that this is the one constant with this particular business.

2. I understand the sisters have had many ups and downs, in the course of running a business. Such is life and it's a completely expected part of being independent business owners.

I'm not trying to bash or belittle anyone here. But if I had to decide whether or not to obtain services (even a hair cut) with them, I would not.

At least twice that I'm aware of, their salon has gone on hiatus and left clients high and dry--with no notice, no where to go to be serviced. Just my opinion, but I feel clients deserve better than finding out on-line (or from anyone other than their stylist) that the salon isn't available--and won't be for months on end.

I mention these things as you should be aware of them before you make a commitment to obtaining hair care services (particularly chemical services) with this salon, and these stylists. Totally fyi.

Good luck on making a decision, either way!
Thanks, I had visisted their site many times while they were on "hiatus". I don't live in NY, but had considered going for a long weekend and having it done especially if I only nee to do this 3 or4 times a year. There is a local salon near me that offers the service. I just wanted some feedback from others who may have tried it and how they liked it. I've been told that a texturizer and silkener are not the same. What gives? When I decided to go natural I had a feeling that when it was all said and done I would end up some where btw natural and some "type" of mild relaxer....
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I recently read on LHCF that a silkener at Miss Jessie's is... you ready?.... $600!

Umm I don't think so...

If anything get a texturizer. I can't imagine what a touch-up would be at that place.
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I recently read on LHCF that a silkener at Miss Jessie's is... you ready?.... $600!

Umm I don't think so...

If anything get a texturizer. I can't imagine what a touch-up would be at that place.

WOW!!! $600 bucks. not worth it.
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I don't know why anyone would pay $600 or even $200 to get a silkener.

Please do not believe the hype! From Miss Jessie's website:

WHAT IS THE CHEMICAL USED IN SILKENERS™?
SODIUM HYDROXIDE.

FYI - Sodium Hydroxide is LYE! I do my own "silkeners" for less than $20 and no matter what people try to say about inconsistent curl patterns and blah blah blah. I really think that key is to take your time.

For some texlaxers this means:

1.Using a mild relaxer and/or doing their hair one section at a time (for real, there is a great thread at BHM (and it was also shared on LHCF) with detailed instructions about doing this - I would add the link but I am at work and can't get on BHM)

2. Other ladies choose to add condition and/or oil and/or protein to their relaxers so that it processes slower giving them time to achieve the look they like.

I personally use only option 2 but some use 1 or a combination of the two. If you know for sure that you have a curl pattern and if you are familiar with how your hair responds to chemicals, and especially if you have self relaxed in the past then you should have no problem doing it on your own or even telling your hairstylist how to do it for you. Please pm if you would like to talk more about this. Please do not let someone charge you a lot of money for something that is really simple.

BTW: I prefer lye relaxers because they are less drying and they don't straigten as easily as no-lye does. Your hair will generally look straighter with the relaxer in, weighing it down, than it will once you are done with the process. I think that it is personally better to straighten less than you think you may want because you can always do a corrective and make it straighter but once its too straight......
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I just wanted to say that I think that the main reason that texturizing has a bad rep is because people don't really know what they are doing (stylist included) when they texturize. Miss Jessie's takes advantage of this and people's ignorance about curly hair care.

Feel free to disagree with me but what really is the difference between a texturizer or a silkener or a mild relaxer? Unless it is no lye, then they are all using the same straightening ingredient so they are the same.

I remember one hair board actually said that Miss Jessie's uses a particular relaxer. I think it was design essentials...

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WTF? $600.. good lord!
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I recently read on LHCF that a silkener at Miss Jessie's is... you ready?.... $600!

Umm I don't think so...

If anything get a texturizer. I can't imagine what a touch-up would be at that place.
OMG that is insane!!! That's a house note,rent payment, etc......
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I recently read on LHCF that a silkener at Miss Jessie's is... you ready?.... $600!

Umm I don't think so...

If anything get a texturizer. I can't imagine what a touch-up would be at that place.
OMG that is insane!!! That's a house note,rent payment, etc......
Get your priorities straight woman.. that's 3 months worth of hair products!! Or 2 Coach bags! 600 Wendy's fries LOL
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I just wanted to say that I think that the main reason that texturizing has a bad rep is because people don't really know what they are doing (stylist included) when they texturize. Miss Jessie's takes advantage of this and people's ignorance about curly hair care.

Feel free to disagree with me but what really is the difference between a texturizer or a silkener or a mild relaxer? Unless it is no lye, then they are all using the same straightening ingredient so they are the same.

I remember one hair board actually said that Miss Jessie's uses a particular relaxer. I think it was design essentials...
Girl a silkener at miss jessies ain't nothing but....

Miziani perm + oil+ conditioner

That's it. They add the oil and conditioner to slow the processing time and they apply it in sections. **** you can do that at home for less than $20 like someone else stated. Not to mention, a LOT of the ladies on the website look like wet puppies (thier hair)....some of it is so limp and lifeless looking compaired to the before pics.

I for the life of me don't know why with all the information about what thier silkener is, folks still are willing to shell out $600 a perm.
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wow!
I knew it was expensive but are they dipping the stuff in gold before applying it? Damn!
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I recently read on LHCF that a silkener at Miss Jessie's is... you ready?.... $600!

Umm I don't think so...

If anything get a texturizer. I can't imagine what a touch-up would be at that place.
OMG that is insane!!! That's a house note,rent payment, etc......
Get your priorities straight woman.. that's 3 months worth of hair products!! Or 2 Coach bags! 600 Wendy's fries LOL
LOL @ 600 Wendy's fries. You had me at 2 Coach bags!
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You curlies are toooo funny! I lmao right now! Anyway, I loved me some Mizani back in the day when I relaxed my hair...but it did make my hair bone straight!
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I don't know why anyone would pay $600 or even $200 to get a silkener.

Please do not believe the hype! From Miss Jessie's website:

WHAT IS THE CHEMICAL USED IN SILKENERS™?
SODIUM HYDROXIDE.

FYI - Sodium Hydroxide is LYE! I do my own "silkeners" for less than $20 and no matter what people try to say about inconsistent curl patterns and blah blah blah. I really think that key is to take your time.

For some texlaxers this means:

1.Using a mild relaxer and/or doing their hair one section at a time (for real, there is a great thread at BHM (and it was also shared on LHCF) with detailed instructions about doing this - I would add the link but I am at work and can't get on BHM)

2. Other ladies choose to add condition and/or oil and/or protein to their relaxers so that it processes slower giving them time to achieve the look they like.

I personally use only option 2 but some use 1 or a combination of the two. If you know for sure that you have a curl pattern and if you are familiar with how your hair responds to chemicals, and especially if you have self relaxed in the past then you should have no problem doing it on your own or even telling your hairstylist how to do it for you. Please pm if you would like to talk more about this. Please do not let someone charge you a lot of money for something that is really simple.

BTW: I prefer lye relaxers because they are less drying and they don't straigten as easily as no-lye does. Your hair will generally look straighter with the relaxer in, weighing it down, than it will once you are done with the process. I think that it is personally better to straighten less than you think you may want because you can always do a corrective and make it straighter but once its too straight......

what is LHCF and BHM???

Oh and your hair looks beautiful....i have different hair textures through out my hair from 3a-4c do you have any recommendations on how i can avoid over silkening my less curly/kinky hair.
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what is LHCF and BHM???
LHCF = Long Hair Care Forum, the one that makes you pay to post.

BHM = Black Hair Media
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I recently read on LHCF that a silkener at Miss Jessie's is... you ready?.... $600!

Umm I don't think so...

If anything get a texturizer. I can't imagine what a touch-up would be at that place.
OMG that is insane!!! That's a house note,rent payment, etc......
Get your priorities straight woman.. that's 3 months worth of hair products!! Or 2 Coach bags! 600 Wendy's fries LOL
LOL! I was nodding along until that part and then I just fell out my chair.

If I paid 600 dollars for that, it better like an everlasting gobstopper and never need to be bought again.
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Hi, I was considering getting a Silkener but I agree with everyone $600.00 is CRAZY. My problem is that I am not, repeat NOT a hair person. I have been wearing my hair straight but with a curly weave so that it can grow out enough for me to cut it and texturize it again.

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Default i've been to the salon and it wasn't listed as that expensive

I did not get a silkener when I went and they didn't even mention a silkener to me when I visited their salon until I asked about it. It was a few years ago but the sign said it started at $225 and that included the angle and balance hair cut. In fact Miko suggested that I only shingle my hair for special occasions because she admitted for the amount of hair I have their processes would take a long time and a lot of product. Which to me sounded even more like a candidate for silkener but she still told me that it was an option but really thought I should experience shingling first.

I don't know....I wouldn't do my own chemical services period. It's hard enough for me to flat iron on my own hair. I could just imagine being in the shower and having a neutralizer run into my eye nope....nope, lol.

I thought they did a good job shingling my hair but I wouldn't pay those prices because I just don't care about my hair all that much.
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