Are there any white people with 4a hair?

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I have some 4a hair in the mix...overall, mine is 3c, but the middle part under my canopy is all 4a.
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I have some 4a hair in the mix...overall, mine is 3c, but the middle part under my canopy is all 4a.
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And he is forever saying something about the Jew Fro. He has a head full of thick shiny big curls and one of his daughters has Jewish type curl - frizzy fine 3C-4A. His Jewish buddies during his college years wore gigantic Fros and my boss loves to reminisce as to how awesome big fros were back then.

Lately because of the problem I'm having after Henna (frizz replaced my 3C-4A curls), I've been flat ironing. He walks past and says "where's the Fro - I like the Fro." This sometimes annoys me and then on some days I just laugh.

I don't discuss hair in the office since the few Blacks wear all types of weave or braids or helmet head relaxers -- everyone else just have too many questions. All the different hairstyles confuse them. Yes -"Jew Fro" is a term Jews use frequently and they are quite familiar with nappy hair.
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Si, I kno this one girl with super tight hair. Higher texture than mine. (Blonde) And found this picture idk where it was maybe here don't remember. Her hair is like a 3c/4a mix.

Originally Posted by 9osZBehbi
Wow! I've seen white people with kinky hair before but not quite like this.
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Keep it kinky, curly, wavy- whatever.
Just keep it natural and keep it you, from head to toe ^_^


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There are lots of people that identify as white that have 4a hair. I grew up in South Florida where there is an extermely large Jewish population and the term that was used then (i'm not sure if this is offensive so forgive me cause that's not my intent) was the "Jew 'Fro". Almost every Jewish person I knew as a kid had at LEAST 3c hair, with most having 3c-4aish and a few with stright up 4b hair. The crazy thing, is that a lot used to straighten thier hair just like we did. My grandmothers friend used to have a shop in her house, and a LOT of the ladies that came to her were Jewish.

Those that didn't straighten, usually fought thier hair, brushing it at night thinking that would make it sliky and straight, when all it did was make it a frizzy mess. I went to Curve salon for a consulation (formally Miss Jessies Salon) and was SHOCKED (well not totally) that a large portion (at least 40%) of her clientle were WHITE and/or JEWISH women.

Also, you have to remember that during slavery because of a lot of the mixing (forced and unforced) a lot of people escaped and "passed", which infused the african hair genes into the white population. You'd be hard pressed nowadays to find a white OR black person that doesn't have some mixture in the gene pool.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
Sista! You seriously left us with some knowledge!
4/b with 4/a kinks at the back of my head.

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Si, I kno this one girl with super tight hair. Higher texture than mine. (Blonde) And found this picture idk where it was maybe here don't remember. Her hair is like a 3c/4a mix.

Originally Posted by 9osZBehbi
Wow! I've seen white people with kinky hair before but not quite like this.
Originally Posted by Shea-girl-aloe
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I would not call her hair kinky. It's super curly; I don't even think it's possible to get curls that small from a perm. When I think of kinky, I think of hair that is densely packed with little natural shine and a lot of natural frizz. Am I the only one?
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Her hair looks like it has a lot of frizz to me.

But my definition of kinky is just extremely tight hair that's like itty bitty waves or the legendary z pattern. No more than that, no density or shine or any other characteristics attached to that.

My user name is a misnomer as the vast majority of my hair fits my definition of kinky even though it's all different sizes, textures, shine, frizz, etc. I could probably count the true full-length coils pretty easily.
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I think here in the US you may see it a rare but really in the islands, UK and certain areas in Europe (Paris especially) its the norm. Kinky curls on everyone - all types, shades and so on
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Her hair looks like it has a lot of frizz to me.

But my definition of kinky is just extremely tight hair that's like itty bitty waves or the legendary z pattern. No more than that, no density or shine or any other characteristics attached to that.

My user name is a misnomer as the vast majority of my hair fits my definition of kinky even though it's all different sizes, textures, shine, frizz, etc. I could probably count the true full-length coils pretty easily.
Originally Posted by CoilyOne1812

I agree with your definition of kinky and imo the blonde girl in this thread has kinky hair.

Si, I kno this one girl with super tight hair. Higher texture than mine. (Blonde) And found this picture idk where it was maybe here don't remember. Her hair is like a 3c/4a mix.

Originally Posted by 9osZBehbi
Wow! I've seen white people with kinky hair before but not quite like this.
Originally Posted by Shea-girl-aloe
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I would not call her hair kinky. It's super curly; I don't even think it's possible to get curls that small from a perm. When I think of kinky, I think of hair that is densely packed with little natural shine and a lot of natural frizz. Am I the only one?
Originally Posted by multicultcurly
Kinky hair is any hair with kinks. So basically everybody on this website has "kinky" hair by definition. But she has higher textured hair than most black people with a tight curl pattern and small waves. But what people think about hair is just opinion based.








Well nothing everything... but the kinky thing is which I think is being used in place of nappy. Which is clearly isn't.
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I went to high school with an Italian American girl with 4a/4b hair, but she relaxed it.

As a black person with mostly 3a hair, I make people challenge the expression black hair and white hair, because I personally don't follow these silly labels. I like this website especially because hair types here are defined by characters, such as numbers and letters, instead of ethnicity, which is just bogus. One of my pet peeves is when I hear people use ethnicity to pinpoint hair type. I've came across a Filipina with 3c/4a hair, and a number of Caucasians with 4a hair, and I went to elementary school with a black girl with naturally 2c hair, so do I and the other black girl have white folk hair and the Filipina and Italian American black folk hair? That's just preposterous.

Oh, and African American hair makes even less sense than saying black hair! I mean WTH, not every black person is American, so as much as I roll my eyes at expressions like white hair and black hair, African American hair sounds even all the more ridiculous.

I came across a video on YouTube before that had a 3b black model demonstrate styling tips for naturally curly hair, and a female (ethnicity unknown) made a comment under the video saying the video was not helpful for her hair type because the woman was black, and that her 3b hair must therefore be different than non-black people's 3b hair... some people are beyond dense, you know?

Much thanks for posting this thread, it was necessary.
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I have known a few. My own dad (100% Italian descent) has 3bc curls and back when it was popular has more than a few pictures of himself with a righteous fro.

And I suspect my uncle, his brother (also full Italian) has an even tighter curl. It's hard to tell becuase he always wears some type of hat and at one point he had dreads. Sad that there was probably no one to tell him how to care for his hair so he just hides it and/or let it matt, not even in mainicured locs- they were the kind of dreads you get if you just sleep on your hair and don't wash it for a few months. If I ever see him again I will direct him to here for sure.

And this lady has what looks like some type 4 hair on the underlayer of her hair:

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And I agree that people make too much of race. It doesn't even exist. There are phenotypical differences certainly as you go from country to country. People look similiar near each other becuase that is how they evolved to look to suit the climate they are in. Which is why, for example, some Italians do possess certain traits known as "black traits" and vice versa. They are in close promixity. Whether this means they mixed together or just evolved next door to each other it amounts to the same thing-- they ended up looking very similiar. Just becuase someone drew an invisible line between the Italy and Africa and the people on one side are "white" and the people on the other are "black" can't overwhelm the logic of how close these places are to each other:


Of course they are going to look alike. Same thing with Southern Spain. My own dad has been confused for a light skinned black guy on more then one ocassion. And there is no doubt he is not "racially mixed". His whole family, as far back as they can trace, came from Italy. He actually doesn't really look "black" or "mixed with black" IMO but that's just more proof of how people would see big curly hair, darker tan skin and think "Black" or "Black" blood. No wonder so many "White" people with tight curls straighten them or hide them if they are the type of people who look down on black people. They should not be ashamed of their heritage and their phenotype just becuase some people can't wrap their minds around the idea of different phenotypes within the same "race" let alone the more mind blowing truth that race doesn't even exist.
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Originally Posted by mariag002
I have this picture on a card. The inside says: No one ever noticed she had thick ankles.

The best card in the world. I could never use it because I loved it so much.

A girl in high school was whiter than all get out with a mix of 3c/4a. She had great hair.

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Originally Posted by mariag002
I have this picture on a card. The inside says: No one ever noticed she had thick ankles.
Originally Posted by curlymix
LOL! I couldn't stop smiling after reading your comment. What's the greeting card company's name?
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Epic Fail
Originally Posted by mariag002
I have this picture on a card. The inside says: No one ever noticed she had thick ankles.

The best card in the world. I could never use it because I loved it so much.

A girl in high school was whiter than all get out with a mix of 3c/4a. She had great hair.
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Just wondering.
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Justin Timberlake appears to have textured hair. Maybe not 4a, but he has sort of a tighter curl pattern.
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I've seen some white people and thought da----nnn their hair is nappier than mine, but it WAS NOT 4A/B I have yet to see a white person with 4a/b hair... there are a lot of pictures posted in here of people with nappy hair, a good majority of the "white people" posted are of mixed people... and all the people have 3c textured hair or less coarse... the ones with the fro's are just combed out curls...

I have yet to see a white person with dull looking hair that mats up to their head very tight, doesn't grow and is very thick and coarse.



When ya'll get a pic of a person with true 4a/b hair let me know...
I've seen some white people and thought da----nnn their hair is nappier than mine, but it WAS NOT 4A/B I have yet to see a white person with 4a/b hair... there are a lot of pictures posted in here of people with nappy hair, a good majority of the "white people" posted are of mixed people... and all the people have 3c textured hair or less coarse... the ones with the fro's are just combed out curls...

I have yet to see a white person with dull looking hair that mats up to their head very tight, doesn't grow and is very thick and coarse.



When ya'll get a pic of a person with true 4a/b hair let me know...
Originally Posted by ~Curly~
4a/b does not mean 'matted/coarse hair that doesn't grow'. Especially that last part, which isn't even a correct description. My hair isn't matted, stuck to my head, dull and grows very well. (Everybody's hair grows, barring a medical condition.)

4a/b refers to curl size/pattern. There are a lot of white people in the world with tiny tiny curls that would be definitely be considered 4a.
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