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Old 03-24-2009, 08:50 PM   #1
 
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There is a thread in the 3c forum discussing Teri's (Biracial hair.org) conditioner only method. I wanted to get the opinion of the CG 4s.

I haven't seen a youtube video or read a post where a more natural conditioner was used as the 'leave-in'. I love Teri's hair and her website, but most of the conditioners she recommends has a cone in the ingredients list. My hair has done well without a cone and I want to avoid it.

Have any of you tried this method with a more curl friendly conditioner? KCKT and KCCC are too expensive.
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:15 PM   #2
 
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Try Lustrasilk Shea and Mango cholesterol, or the olive oil one as a leave-in or styler for twists.
Loreal Vive Pro Nutri Gloss for Curly/Wavy hair(light pink) is great and thick.

Garnier Fructis just came out with a silicone free conditioner, its the Body Boost(red circle) one, and that line is great(loved it before I went CG).

You can give Suave a try but I'v never used it as leave in, I do use the lustrasilk as leave in every day.

Oh, and HEHH or Hydra does have cones but they have the amodimethicone and that one is supposed to be ok for some and it doesn't give a build up supposedly. You just clarify once in a while with a poo. This will be my next venture since so many people swear by it.. I'm going to buy a bottle of it.
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:55 PM   #3
 
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I have used Giovanni's Smooth as Silk conditioner while using Terri's technique. I got great results and Giovanni is CG.
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I've used AOHSR before and I have gotten good results, but really afraid of overconditioning my hair! I've also used TJ nourish spa and GDLI with castor oil on top. I did not use a denman but I did try to smooth it in to make sure everyhair was coated.
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All my conditioners except maybe Deva Blonde are CG, but I also use gel.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:58 AM   #6
 
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I've used Suave's Tropical Coconut conditioner as my leave in for almost a year now and it works fine. I recently started putting it in as my hair was sopping wet and that seemed to make it dry softer and shinier.

I usually wear a fluffed Twist out, so I haven't tried Terri's technique. But my hair is taking even longer to dry than the 10 hours it normally takes.

The site also mentioned that Suave Tropical Coconut wasn't heavy enough to be a styler conditioner on it's own. Haven't tried the Hello Hydration yet. Maybe if I find it at the dollar store, I just can't stomach spending more than a few bucks on something I go through like water.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:14 AM   #7
 
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I've used Suave's Tropical Coconut conditioner as my leave in for almost a year now and it works fine.
Have you tried any of the other formulations? I tried the Coconut, the Vanilla Floral, and the Tangerine (?) one, and I prefered the Tangerine one over the others. It seems to be a bit more slippy. With the coconut Suave I always had to add olive oil to it.
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I co-wash daily with AOHSR using Terri's method. I have yet to wash my hair with products containing cones and never will.
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:19 PM   #9
 
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I've left in Giovanni 50:50 a few times and my hair felt nice afterwards.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:51 PM   #10
 
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just wanted to say love your twist
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Old 03-27-2009, 08:07 PM   #11
 
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Seems like everybody's doing it.

Here's a video from St8isis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXQ0v...e=channel_page

And another from EmpressRi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwLobQ_M5OE

Ive not tried it...maybe if I could find a creamy protein-free, cone-free condish that doesn't flake, I might.
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Old 03-30-2009, 02:09 PM   #12
 
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I bit the bullet and tried the method today. I used the Shikai Everyday condish since it was the most natural of the bunch Teri recommended (it still has a cone though).

My hair is a hot mess - frizz and flakes. My hair looks so sad, its funny.

One light in all of this is that I revisited the Denman with my hair soaked in conditioner and I was actually able to detangle with it for the first time. When I tried it before, my hair would snap off. I think my hair is healthier and stronger now. I'm happy I found this site...

Anyhoo, below are the pics. I'm washing this mess out ASAP!
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Old 03-31-2009, 09:10 PM   #13
 
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I've run into two people today who have talked about Teri's method so I finally visited her site(tightlycurly.com) and saw what she was doing that was so great. It's funny that early when I washed my hair I left about 90% of the HEHH in my hair and tried to plop(kinda worked). I will have to give her method a try considering I am convinced that I don't have wash and go hair and this is kinda a wash and go(no twisting) so tomorrow or the next day I will try this. Her method does seem like you will double your conditioner use though but if it works and it takes away my need for other stylers I guess thats good but this method seems to be for more of the 3's hair.
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I've used Suave's Tropical Coconut conditioner as my leave in for almost a year now and it works fine.
Have you tried any of the other formulations? I tried the Coconut, the Vanilla Floral, and the Tangerine (?) one, and I prefered the Tangerine one over the others. It seems to be a bit more slippy. With the coconut Suave I always had to add olive oil to it.
Haven't tried the other Suave conditioners. I went through a product phase and my wallet took a while to recover. I very rarely go "outside of my comfort zone" but will try the one you mentioned when I pick up the Hello Hydration everyone keeps raving about since they are relatively inexpensive.
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:40 PM   #15
 
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I've been struggling trying to get this conditioner only method to work. I will not use the silicone-based conditioners Teri suggests. I did try the two natural conditioners (Shikai and Nature's Gate). I got the definition, but couldn't prevent my hair from drying without the white residue. Of course any attempt at rubbing it out caused instant frizz. Anyone else have this problem?

Also posted in 3c.
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I've been struggling trying to get this conditioner only method to work. I will not use the silicone-based conditioners Teri suggests. I did try the two natural conditioners (Shikai and Nature's Gate). I got the definition, but couldn't prevent my hair from drying without the white residue. Of course any attempt at rubbing it out caused instant frizz. Anyone else have this problem?

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Have you tried applying oil after it dries? or smooth water on the white residue? I use Aubrey Organics Honeysucle rose and Giovanni 5050 for this method. Sometimes I mix with castor oil alone or castor oil+aloe vera gel (lilly of the dessert edible kind)+condish (just a little of the first two and not a HUGE amt of condish since I don't have ALOT of hair yet). I also plop which removes some of the extra condish, but I also thinks that it helps it to absorb in my hair.

One time, I applie way way way tooo much condish so I put on a plastic cap for a while to see if some of it would absorb then I plopped and then air dried and it worked for the most part.

For your condishes, do you think oil mixed in your condish will help with the residue?? Seems to work for me? HtH
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Old 04-19-2009, 08:17 AM   #17
 
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There is way to get rid of the white stuff and still keep the curls clumped. I was having the same problem and I just discovered how to get rid of it this morning. I still got good definition. She added another section to her Curly Primer if you have not seen it already and thank goodness she did. Choose one of the following three methods (I found that twirling worked best for me. My hair was not feeling smoothing. It would just frizz up as you found.) But twirling will help remove excess product AND it helped even the curls that I had never seen definition in before have clumps. I am loving twirling. And interestingly enough, twirling helped me to discover that I don't actually have any 4b patches as I previously thought, turns out even my crown area (which I had never seen curls in, even right out of the shower) is just the smallest curls imaginable and very very prone to frizz. They probably would have defined as my hair got longer but twirling unlocked them.

Of course the catch is that you have to take each individual curl and twirl it and if you long or thick hair or very tiny curls that might take too long for you. I don't mind. Overall it took me about 15 minutes. But I found that it still works if you want to go faster, to twirl 3 or even 4 clumps together. They still define and seperate well. I used Herbal Essence for damaged/colored/permed hair.

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Once you have combed your hair, you need to define and reinforce your curls.


There are three main ways to define your curls: Running your fingers through, twirling, and smoothing.

Running Your Fingers Through
I think this works best for wavier hair, or loose curls. When you run your fingers through your hair, run them through several times, in the direction your hair grows. You can even press your fingers together as you do it. This will give you some definition, but your curls may still be undefined. I can't do this very well with my hair because I can't get my fingers through my curls. I also think it yanks on the hair too much if you have tighter curls. l like lots of definition in my curls, and this doesn't define curls very well.

The next two ways of defining your curls takes advantage of it's desire to curl:

When the area you are working on has been combed, you may notice that your hair will start to section itself into curls. You can see my hair dividing itself into two curls in the larger picture where I’m combing a small section with the blue Denman brush.
Your hair wants to clump. Curly hair wants to curl together with like curls. If you work with the natural tendency of your hair, you will make both you and your hair happy. By sectioning your hair, you reinforce your natural texture. Enhancing the curls in the way they want to be will keep it clumped together, and not frizz. And the conditioner in it will help keep it together without being crunchy.
Divide your section into however many curls it wants to be divided into. Wavier hair clumps in bigger sections. Tighter curls need much much smaller sections. If you have a section and it separates into more curls, you need to honor what your curls want, and section it until it is one solid unit. This may be different sizes on different parts of your head. For me, the back and by my ears can take pretty big clumps, while at the crown and back of my head need lots and lots of smaller sections, about 1/5 the size of other parts of my head.
Twirling
A great way to define curls, especially if your hair is short, is by twirling the curl around your fingers. Arden's mom is doing this to her hair in Tips for Little Ones and both Mya and Frances have their curls done this way in the Before and After page. The trick is that the tighter your curls, the smaller the sections you take to take to twirl.


Smoothing

This is how I define my curls. After combing with a Denman, you will often see your hair separating into segments.

I take each segment, and run my hands down it. This sets your curl by smoothing all the hairs together to act as a unit. The tighter the curl, the smaller the segment you smooth. Some places on your head may need lots of very tiny curls you smooth, and others larger. You can see in the photos of my wet hair that it's separating in all different sizes. Those are the sizes of the curls I smooth.



Smooth all the individual curls in the section, then pin them out of the way and move onto the next section.
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^^^Good grief, it would take me about 4 hours to do my hair like that. Granted I spend a lot of time on my hair, but I don't have the patience for 'smoothing' each and every individual curl.

Guess I'll stick to raking.
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:03 AM   #19
 
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I thought most people here did the conditioner method anyway. What's so special err... different about Teri's method?
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^^^Good grief, it would take me about 4 hours to do my hair like that. Granted I spend a lot of time on my hair, but I don't have the patience for 'smoothing' each and every individual curl.

Guess I'll stick to raking.
Is raking the same as running your fingers through, the first method? I can't do that, I find I break up the curls. I suppose I am going to have to buy the denman eventually, but I keep hearing so many bad things about it.
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