4a/b/c Hair Type

Hi Everyone,

Thought I would come out of lurkdom to share a website with all the 4's especially the 4b's which I know it is a little bit of confusion about the pattern of the hair. I have been a member for a while but just would read the forum's and I have gained alot of knowledge on how to handle my hair from the wealth of information on this site.

I just wanted to give something back to the forum for those ladies who are confused about what 4B hair looks like. I found this site through helping a girl friend of mines who's daughter has 4b hair and she was having a tough time figuring out how to handle her daughter hair and what products to purchase.

It is basically a site for hair products but shows pics below. Have fun....



http://www.tresses2die4.co.uk/page_1097517.html
thanks for sharing
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Except for Macy Gray why are the other "type 4" women wearing weaves?
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thanks for sharing
Originally Posted by hippychic

You're welcome hippychic.
Except for Macy Gray why are the other "type 4" women wearing weaves?
Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe
Hi Suburbanbushbabe,

Unfortunately, I really did not look at that. I was really looking at the texture of the hair. I have a girl friend who's daughter have 4B hair and her mom was having a tough time trying to maintain her hair and since I have been natural for 3 years she asked for help with her daughters. So I washed and styled her daughter's hair using the Curly Q products and that is when I noticed that her daughter's hair had a zigzag pattern to it.

This prompted me to look for pictures so that I could show her mom what type hair her daughter had and this site is what I found and thought I would share with everyone.
Except for Macy Gray why are the other "type 4" women wearing weaves?
Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe
I am with you here. I don't like the photos that sites normally come up with for 4b women. I mean really, have we ever seen Beyonce's natural curls? Not as an insult but just as matter of fact truth, I do not think so. Who knows what type of hair she has.

In addition, I think there is just way too much hair diversity to limit hair to groups and subgroups. I think in the 4 category there must be over 20 different types alone; no wonder why people are so darn confused!

It is also quite amazing for me to see that 4a outnumber 4b by a longshot on any forum I've visited. Are there some other 4bs out there hiding or do we really have minority participation on hair forums? There's usually more activity under 4a groups because it seems like there are a lot more women who identify with that group. Hmmm. {wondering }

There are women with hair types similar to mine who identify with 4a. I think the reason for this is that the 4b type is defined by having Zzzs or zigzags. I do not know how accurate this is. I do not have zigzags or Zzzs but I still have predominantly 4b hair characteristics.

All this diversity of hair is quite interesting.
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In addition, I think there is just way too much hair diversity to limit hair to groups and subgroups. I think in the 4 category there must be over 20 different types alone; no wonder why people are so darn confused!

It is also quite amazing for me to see that 4a outnumber 4b by a longshot on any forum I've visited. Are there some other 4bs out there hiding or do we really have minority participation on hair forums? There's usually more activity under 4a groups because it seems like there are a lot more women who identify with that group. Hmmm. {wondering }

There are women with hair types similar to mine who identify with 4a. I think the reason for this is that the 4b type is defined by having Zzzs or zigzags. I do not know how accurate this is. I do not have zigzags or Zzzs but I still have predominantly 4b hair characteristics.

All this diversity of hair is quite interesting.
Originally Posted by froggibleu
You read my mind
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I gave my hair a classification when I joined NC and as my hair grows out from the TWA, I flip back and forth as to which type I think predominates. I personally think I have more 4b than 4a but my hair also doesn't fit the "angles" definition nor does it look like any hair that I've seen classified as 4b. The only time I seem to care what type it is is when my latent PJism surfaces and I want to try a new product so I look for a similar head of hair thinking that how my hair reacts may be similar to theirs, but my hair tends to march to beat of its own little drummer. Otherwise, I try not to get all caught up in the typing system. It would be nice to see more activity on the 4b forum.
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Last edited by QVCDiva; 04-14-2009 at 03:47 AM.
I say I'm mainly 4b - because my hair does have zigzags - maybe I should post a picture to show everyone!

I also say I have 4c - because in some parts the zigzags are slight, but my hair isn't quite straight either. The only useful thing about these classifications concerns tips about what products to buy / styling tips. But even then, what works for some may not work for you.
I say I'm mainly 4b - because my hair does have zigzags - maybe I should post a picture to show everyone!
Originally Posted by lenax7
Please do! I don't think I've seen an example of that yet.
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IIt would be nice to see more activity on the 4b forum.
Originally Posted by QVCDiva
Ditto!
http://members.fotki.com/froggibleu/
A 4b Chick.

All this diversity of hair is quite interesting.
Originally Posted by froggibleu
You read my mind
Originally Posted by pulchri2dinous
http://members.fotki.com/froggibleu/
A 4b Chick.
It seems that 4b/cnapp might tangle less, be easier to comb thru (with proper method of course) than 4a & 3c?

is this true?

also what is 4c? & where can i see good pictures?

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PrincesPresto,

Here is the link to a site on cnap. I think 4c and cnap hair are the same.

http://nappyme.wordpress.com/about-c...pymenow-today/
Last Relaxer: 09/19/08
BC: 01/30/09
Misc: 1st time going natural was '94-'98; 2nd time - '99-2003; This time I will not go back to relaxers.
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I'm really disappointed in this chart when it comes to type 4s. 4a and 4bs are weaves and 4c is altered via stretching. Further, neither 4a nor 4b is what I would call them. 4a's curls are not loose like Bey's weave, and 4b doesn't form those perfect frizzless clumped Zs and hang heavy like in that weave pic. The only time I've even seen perfect Zs clumped like that is in a twist out. And once the hair is combed through and stretched as it is in 4c, it's really hard to get an idea of what the real texture is. That even looks like a loose twist out!

OP, why not use the NC chart?

QVCDiva, I chat often on the cnapp site. They mostly call themselves 4b, but I guess there are "4c" as well. More than "zigzag", cnapp is defined by the hair not really clumping into spirals or obvious curls. The "c" in "cnapp" means cotton or cloudy, for the appearance of the hair.

PrincessPresto, there are a few members on the cnapp site that have an easy time combing their hair. These are the ones whose hair looks like it's always stretched even without them stretching it much. For the most part, I've never heard of 3cs who take very long to detangle their hair. For most of us, 1-3 hours is the norm.
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It seems that 4b/cnapp might tangle less, be easier to comb thru (with proper method of course) than 4a & 3c?

is this true?

also what is 4c? & where can i see good pictures?

****

I do think the LOIS and other descriptions make more sense than Andre's. ...Too many variables.
Originally Posted by PrincessPresto
I'm 4a/4b/4c and my hair used to be a B!*@&* to comb! But now -its easier and pain free, if I use the proper tool, e.g. wide tooth comb and shea butter and if I need it qhemet detangling ghee!
I'm really disappointed in this chart when it comes to type 4s. 4a and 4bs are weaves and 4c is altered via stretching. Further, neither 4a nor 4b is what I would call them. 4a's curls are not loose like Bey's weave, and 4b doesn't form those perfect frizzless clumped Zs and hang heavy like in that weave pic. The only time I've even seen perfect Zs clumped like that is in a twist out. And once the hair is combed through and stretched as it is in 4c, it's really hard to get an idea of what the real texture is. That even looks like a loose twist out!

OP, why not use the NC chart?

QVCDiva, I chat often on the cnapp site. They mostly call themselves 4b, but I guess there are "4c" as well. More than "zigzag", cnapp is defined by the hair not really clumping into spirals or obvious curls. The "c" in "cnapp" means cotton or cloudy, for the appearance of the hair.

PrincessPresto, there are a few members on the cnapp site that have an easy time combing their hair. These are the ones whose hair looks like it's always stretched even without them stretching it much. For the most part, I've never heard of 3cs who take very long to detangle their hair. For most of us, 1-3 hours is the norm.
Originally Posted by mwedzi
I just have to say this - You are my hair idol! I love your hair so much and its really help me like mine even more - Your Fotki is great and give me 'hair strength' if you know what I mean because we have similar types! Thank you so much - you have been a great help with my transisitioning!
I identify as 4a/4b. The 4a section is the most active hair section on this board.

I just have to say this - You are my hair idol! I love your hair so much and its really help me like mine even more - Your Fotki is great and give me 'hair strength' if you know what I mean because we have similar types! Thank you so much - you have been a great help with my transisitioning!
Originally Posted by lenax7
Wow, thank you!

I identify as 4a/4b. The 4a section is the most active hair section on this board.
Originally Posted by violetmauve
4a is really active. I want to ask a question and hope I don't get e-beaten for it, but is it because 4a has become not only the section for people with 4a hair, but also because it's become the general "black hair talk" section? Please don't beat me.
http://www.fotki.com/mwedzi
4a is really active. I want to ask a question and hope I don't get e-beaten for it, but is it because 4a has become not only the section for people with 4a hair, but also because it's become the general "black hair talk" section? Please don't beat me.[/quote]

I agree about the hair chat thing. Also, I didn't realise 4a/4b hair could get so long, until I saw your pics! Its really pretty!

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