Leave-in, Moisturizer, Sealant???

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i haven't posted in forever, but this product categorization thing is confusing. i understand the concept of a sealant. that would be an oil or butter based product designed to coat the hair and keep moisture in. but if the product contains water is it no longer a sealant? what is suppose to be the difference between a moisturizer and leave-in conditioner. every leave-in i use, i consider to be moisturizing. is the difference simply in ingredients? if so, what ingredients are considered moisturizing instead of conditioning? how would you describe moisturizing instead of conditioning? for instance, i like coconut milk. if a product is coconut milk based is it a conditioner or moisturizer? also, if a product contains oils and butters is it considered a mixture of any of these categories. is it a matter of consistency? can one product be all three? right now i'm using a mix i made that contains an aloe vera and glycerin based curl activator, jojoba and coconut oil, and a coconut and shea butter based moisturizer. the consistency is like pudding. would that be considered a mix of all three? i just want to know what that product would be considered. my hair feels fine and i'm not adding anything else, only other thing i use is a styler on top. i don't like layering too much.
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whoa whoa whoa...slow down a bit...lol. I think you're over thinking it too much. A lot of the products cross categorical lines so there is no hard and fast rules. Its all relative. If what you are currently using makes your hair feel nice and is working...then by all means don't change it!

I think what products are used as a leave in vs a moisturizer has to a lot to do with each individal person's hair properties. Coarser haired folks (like myself) or even folks with proisity issues would use heavier products because our hair needs them. Folks with finer hair would use lighter stuff because thier hair is easily weighed down

For instance...my leave ins are things like Shea Moisture, Oyin Honey hemp, and Hairveda whipped cream. For a LOT of people...those are moisturizers because they are heavier. For me..that's a leave in.

My moisturizer/stylers are things the afroveda hair butters (or any buttery product with water/butter/oil). For a lot of finer hair folks...those would be too heavy to use on all their hair, so that would be a sealant (used only on the ends).

So if you think of things sorta along a spectrum, going from light products to heavier products, depending on your hair needs would determin where on the spectrum you would start.

Also, remember that most products are duel purpose and can be used several different ways.

hope this helps
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oh, i'm not changing anything. i'm just curious. but what is the difference between a leave-in and a moisturizer? i always thought it was the same thing.
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Wow you said a lot...lol. I can only tell you what I do as I don't have to answers to some of your questions.

I use Suave Cond to cowash and detangle. I consider this to be my conditioner to comb as it just leaves my hair soft and it has good slip for my brush. I then use HE cond for my thick conditioner as it leaves my hair soft and it doesn't feel brittle. I leave in my conditioner...lets say HH so that I can make sure I have moisture(i.e water) of some type in my hair.

Now I use HE LTR leave in for my hair because I like to use it more as a styler(it defines my curls a little and its silky) more than a leave in and then to seal, I use Vatika Frosting last and make sure I get my ends.

Now I know that some butter, and oils do moisturize and I think if you use the right conditioner, you get a moisturizing conditioner(HEHH or HE Hydra for example) and they do good to leave in your hair also. I guess you can tell if you hair need moisture by if its brittle, not just dry but brittle so then you add moisture. If you ends are scaggly, then you need more of a sealant from my understanding. And for me, conditioner is my hair food, it trains and nourishes my hair.

Now I'm no expert and I can be completely wrong, so if I am, fellow curlies please correct me.
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oh, i'm not changing anything. i'm just curious. but what is the difference between a leave-in and a moisturizer? i always thought it was the same thing.
Originally Posted by lalapixie
That's essentially what I just said...lol. The only difference would be that a moisturizer might be a bit heavier than a leave in. But...heavier is relative based on what each individual person's hair needs.
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haha. sorry if the original post is overwhelming. basically i just remember someone saying they needed a leave-in, moisturizer, and sealant. it made me wonder what makes a product "leave-in conditioning" instead of "moisturizing". or if it was just that that the leave-in wasn't moisturizing enough so they needed an additional product before sealing. that's all.
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ok. i just wasn't sure if i was missing something in the phrasing.
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Last edited by lalapixie; 07-08-2009 at 10:14 AM. Reason: forgot
I can only describe how this stuff works on my hair, so here goes:

A moisturizer is any product that moisturizes my hair without necessarily enhancing texture (in fact it may break up texture). It imparts moisture to either dry or wet hair so that the hair absorbs it; it softens the ends and has detangling properties. Examples - KBB Hair Nectar or Super Silky (a hybrid product), Claudie's Hair Revitalizer Satin lotion, Afro Detangler, Curl Junkie Aloe Fix(a hybrid product). Super Silky and Aloe Fix moisturize and clump. Except for the hybrids, I use moisturizers primarily on dry hair.

A leave-in (conditioner or styler) can moisturize as well, but in my routine a leave-in must also define my texture, or clump. You can use a regular conditioner as a leave-in, or a specific leave-in conditioner, or a curl cream or styler. I wouldn't recommend using both. Examples: Abba Pure Gentle Conditoner, Curl Junkie Aloe Fix, Curl Junkie Honey Butta Leave-in, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Soft Hair gel (a hybrid product), Mop Top Daily conditioner.

A sealer does 2 things for me and I use 2 products. To seal in moisture I scrunch in castor oil or a butter product right over my conditioner, before I rinse out. Even when I rinse thoroughly some of the oil or butter stays as a film that helps retain conditioner moisture helping to keep the ends soft over a few days without re-wetting.

My second sealer is the outermost layer and has to "fix" the texture so I can get multiple day wear, without being hard or drying. I use gels. Examples - Kinky-Curly Curling custard, Giovanni LA Naturals gel, Curl Junkie Aloe Fix, Theraneem Leaf & Aloe Vera gel. These are all gels that don't get hard on my hair.

Typically I use a leave-in between sealer one and 2.

Curl Junkie Aloe Fix Gel is a multi-use product that falls into a lot of these buckets which is why I like it so much. I can also use it to twist (Qhemet Honeybush too) on wet or dry hair.
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Last edited by Suburbanbushbabe; 07-08-2009 at 06:47 PM.
oh, i'm not changing anything. i'm just curious. but what is the difference between a leave-in and a moisturizer? i always thought it was the same thing.
Originally Posted by lalapixie
That's essentially what I just said...lol. The only difference would be that a moisturizer might be a bit heavier than a leave in. But...heavier is relative based on what each individual person's hair needs.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown

When you apply a sealant do you cover your whole hair or just the ends?
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Leave in conditioner / Daily mosturiser: Alma and Olive Heavy Cream.
Former fave: Shea butter - (appears to be making my hair less thick - so I'm not too happy),
Detangler (only need to use after shampoo): Cocoa tree detangling ghee.
Shampoo: Aubrey organics Honeysuckle Rose Moisturising conditioner.
Deep conditioner: Still searching...

Hair hates: Natural oils of any kind.
i haven't posted in forever, but this product categorization thing is confusing. i understand the concept of a sealant. that would be an oil or butter based product designed to coat the hair and keep moisture in. but if the product contains water is it no longer a sealant? what is suppose to be the difference between a moisturizer and leave-in conditioner. every leave-in i use, i consider to be moisturizing. is the difference simply in ingredients? if so, what ingredients are considered moisturizing instead of conditioning? how would you describe moisturizing instead of conditioning? for instance, i like coconut milk. if a product is coconut milk based is it a conditioner or moisturizer? also, if a product contains oils and butters is it considered a mixture of any of these categories. is it a matter of consistency? can one product be all three? right now i'm using a mix i made that contains an aloe vera and glycerin based curl activator, jojoba and coconut oil, and a coconut and shea butter based moisturizer. the consistency is like pudding. would that be considered a mix of all three? i just want to know what that product would be considered. my hair feels fine and i'm not adding anything else, only other thing i use is a styler on top. i don't like layering too much.
Originally Posted by lalapixie
I think at the core what you are confused about can be answered by learning more about hair science and the actual structure of hair strands. Once I realized that I realized where each product was designed to go and do. So now I look more at the ingredients of a product instead of the product name becuase I know what each ingredient is supposed to do to my cuticle, my cortex and my medulla. These are the three layers of hair strands from outside going in. Each has a purpose. http://nappyme.wordpress.com/hair-facts/

And once you add up the ingredients in a product then you can label it under
Rinse out conditioner- used to initially lay down hair cuticles after shampooing, some people use just this to keep hair conditioned (which from here on out you know is just another way to say hair cuticles are shut). But kinky hair, which tends to be porous, needs some extra help

Leave in conditioner- often interchangeable with the word moisturizer becuase it will have water as it's first ingredient and possible ingredients that can penetrate hair strands. Along with the penetrating ingredients it will also have conditioner ingredients which if you research you know their only job is to sit on top of hair strands.

Sealer- something like oil or butter that seals the above moisture in. May also ensure 100% hair cuticles stay shut.

Deep conditioner- completely about penetration. Goes underneath the cuticle to the cortex to strengthen. I'm not gonna lie, now that I think about it I am pretty confused about a DC's purpose.

Shampoo- often has ingredients designed to lift cuticle to clean underneath all the grime, sweat and dirt. Clarifiers are especially harsh but most shampoos leave hair cuticle lifted. Which should then be shut with an instand rinse out conditioners.

Now to your specific questions:
1. Products are usually not permeable or very heavy. They usually do not have water in them. Water should be beneath them, they seal in water. These include carrier oils and butters.

2. Most leave ins to my understanding are also moisturizers. Obviously it comes down to ingredients. If the leave in has no water or penetrating ingredients it is not a moisturizer.

3. What ingredients are moisturizers, which are conditioners? This is a good link to answer that question:
http://motowngirl.com/content/index....247&Itemid=152

4. A product can still be moisturizing if it has an oil or a conditioner with a penetrating ingredient. Yes, it's about proportion. If the first few ingredients are all sealers, the product will pretty much be a sealer. If the first few ingredients are penetrating it's a deep conditioner or if it's a mix of the above it could be a leave in perhaps. And of course many products overlap. And then as others have said, you further have to consider what is good for your routine. You can have two products that you can tell would both be good to leave in hair but which clumps curls better? Or two sealers but which makes your hair shinier? Or two rinse outs but which helps to detangle better? It's pretty individual. But research the individual ingredients and I think they will clear up a lot for you

For doing that http://motowngirl.com is a good site. This link in particular breaks down specific products into categories. There is always going to be overlap but sounds pretty right:
http://motowngirl.com/content/index....iew&Itemid=220


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suburbanbushbabe and kinkykeeper thanks for your replies. you guys got to the heart of what i was trying to figure out.
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Last edited by lalapixie; 07-09-2009 at 08:18 AM. Reason: edit
ditto!!! i'm going to try to seal and rinse as sbb posted. i've never tried that.

suburbanbushbabe and kinkykeeper thanks for your replies. you guys got to the heart of what i was trying to figure out.
Originally Posted by lalapixie
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That's been my biggest confusion as well. I was thinking, so I have to put in a leave in, then a moisturizer, than a sealant, then gels, than pomade?? I was getting weighed down. I could use some advice frmo you experienced people. My hair is med-coarse, not fine, but not like yours either. So I don't know if I need to add taht extra moisturizer step. I do get lots of frizz and my hair has that tendency to go dry and of course frizz! so I don't know if maybe instead of a leaev in, use a moisturizer. or leave in half of my conditioner (rinse out) and then moisturizer, any suggestions? Then I thoguht to seal with argan oil. Is it too much to use an anti-frizz serum on top of the other oil used to seal??? And should I seal ends or all the hair???



haha. sorry if the original post is overwhelming. basically i just remember someone saying they needed a leave-in, moisturizer, and sealant. it made me wonder what makes a product "leave-in conditioning" instead of "moisturizing". or if it was just that that the leave-in wasn't moisturizing enough so they needed an additional product before sealing. that's all.
Originally Posted by lalapixie
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