Oh, to soften coarse hair

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How do you soften coarse hair? Can you even soften coarse hair?

I am so envious of women with densely curled, fine 4a hair. I have big fat curls that are thick and wire-like; I could wash dishes with them if I ever decided to go conditioner less.

I know ACV rinses help. But is there anything that will soften hair that feel like wire?
Caramel treatmens are supposed to help soften/moisturize hair. I've never done a caramel treatment so I can't vouch for its effects on course hair: http://www.nappydelphia.com/2008/02/caramel-treat.html
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I have wire hair, LOL. There isn't much that can "soften" it. I think it's just in my genes. But I'm wondering, what products are you currently using? I know that certain products I use make my hair feel even coarser than it already feels on it's own. Then there are other products that leave my hair feeling softer, but it reduced my definition. I think it might depend on what you are trying to accomplish.
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The first product that I discovered that actually made my extremely coarse hair soft was George's Aloe Vera Gel from http://www.iherb.com.

I chose George's brand because it is not full of fillers like most.

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ETA:

Oh yeah, I've people say that aloe did nothing for them on wash and go. I was using mine to do twist and braid sets.

And, like shake said below, henna has made a world of difference in my hair also.

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Last edited by Kinky Rhonnie; 07-29-2009 at 10:36 AM.
My hair is super coarse too. Keeping it silky permanently is something I've found just ain't gonna happen but the following things keep my hair VERY soft pretty consistantly:

KBB hair mask
honey rinses and adding it heavily to stuff
Qhemets Amla Heavy Cream
Qhemets Honey Hydrating Balm
Lustrasilk Shea Butter Cholesterol conditioner
Aubrey Organics HSR, honey, coconut milk mixed

When my hair starts to "act up" about once or twice a month and get super dry and coarse no matter what I do, an overnight treatment of Qhemets Heavy Cream and bagging always gets it back on track. HTH!!
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Amla and Bhringraj are the TRUTH, HE LTR Conditioner is the BIDNESS, Shea butter, Honey, Jamican Black Castor Oil

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Last edited by NubianCoils; 07-29-2009 at 02:02 PM.
try henna a few times. this will give you sleek shiny hair. read up on it in the henna thread and on hennaforhair.com. and start using shea butter and coconut oil with stying. they both work wonders. also if you are currently rinsing your conditioner out STOP!!!! leave it in for added moisture/protection.


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How do you soften coarse hair? Can you even soften coarse hair?

I am so envious of women with densely curled, fine 4a hair. I have big fat curls that are thick and wire-like; I could wash dishes with them if I ever decided to go conditioner less.

I know ACV rinses help. But is there anything that will soften hair that feel like wire?
Originally Posted by freemayo
i have wire hair too. For me what works is not rinisng conditioner all the way out. I also have a spray bottle with conditioner, glycerin and water in it. The glycerin draws moisture to the hair. I mist my hair with that every morning and every night. It keeps the hair soft, pliable and silky. Oils and butters only make my hair dry and crispy.
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try henna a few times. this will give you sleek shiny hair. read up on it in the henna thread and on hennaforhair.com. and start using shea butter and coconut oil with stying. they both work wonders. also if you are currently rinsing your conditioner out STOP!!!! leave it in for added moisture/protection.
Originally Posted by shake
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Don't use henna!

If you have coarse hair, the LAST thing I would suggest is henna! That might make it worse! Henna contains the Lawsone molecule (which is responsible for the dye and conditioning effect) which binds heavily to protein. Coarse hair has an ADUNDANCE of protein...which is what causes it to be thick and wiry feeling. When the lawsone molecule binds to protein, it thickens it (the protein) which will make already thick wiry hair even MORE thick and wiry. I have thick, wiry coarse hair and I tried henna and let's just say it was NOT something I will suggest to other coarse folks!

To soften my coarse hair, the following things have worked for me

1. ditching the gel (or using in moderation). Instead of styling with a gel, I use more creamy/butter based products and top with a small amount of gel.

2. Deep conditioning regularly. I deep condition my hair every 2 weeks in moderate weather (spring and fall), and every week in extreme heat and cold weather (winter and summer). I also use a heat cap everytime I deep condition.

3. Oil rinses are fantastic for coarse hair

4. After applying a water based moisturizer, sealing in the moisture with a light oil/butter product

5. Drinking plenty of water (hydration starts within!)

6. Always use a leave in conditioner. My hair tend to perfer those with butters and oils in them, BTMS, silk amino acids, and honey/glycerine.

7. A good spritz will go a long way to helping soften dry, coarse, brittle hair.

Hope this helps!
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Have you tried products with silk amino acids? That always made my hair noticeably softer.
I have coarse hair too. Check out this thread from a few weeks ago. Lots of good tips.

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I am so envious of women with densely curled, fine 4a hair. I have big fat curls that are thick and wire-like; I could wash dishes with them if I ever decided to go conditioner less.
Originally Posted by freemayo
see... here i am envious of big, fat thick, iwiry curls

have you tried shea butter?
LOIS (OS); cottony, TYPE 4 hair, fine/med strands; no cones bcz my hair hates them; last relaxer '98; now low porosity, ignores most natural hair rules; BC #8

faves: suave, v05 shampoo, conditioner (my own), raw shea butter, castor oil, peanut oil, aloe juice
I am so confused with my hair when it comes to whether its strands are fine, medium, or coarse. Also whether or not its dense.
Ive been trying to figure it out for days.... lol
Can someone look at my fotki and let me know? I think this would help me figure out whether or not I need more moisture or protein.

thanks
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I am so confused with my hair when it comes to whether its strands are fine, medium, or coarse. Also whether or not its dense.
Ive been trying to figure it out for days.... lol
Can someone look at my fotki and let me know? I think this would help me figure out whether or not I need more moisture or protein.

thanks
Originally Posted by Nelda
Here is a post i wrote that talks about how to do a hair assessment so that you can answer the questions that you posted.

http://napskinkscoilsandcurls.blogsp...ssessment.html

Things like density can't be answered from looking at pictures for a lot of reasons. You might have thin, fine hair strands but a lot of hair (density) which in pictures might look the same as someone with thick coarse hair strands that lacks density. Even though the hair might LOOK the same, it would prob need to be treated differently.

good luck
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try henna a few times. this will give you sleek shiny hair. read up on it in the henna thread and on hennaforhair.com. and start using shea butter and coconut oil with stying. they both work wonders. also if you are currently rinsing your conditioner out STOP!!!! leave it in for added moisture/protection.
Originally Posted by shake
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Don't use henna!

If you have coarse hair, the LAST thing I would suggest is henna! That might make it worse! Henna contains the Lawsone molecule (which is responsible for the dye and conditioning effect) which binds heavily to protein. Coarse hair has an ADUNDANCE of protein...which is what causes it to be thick and wiry feeling. When the lawsone molecule binds to protein, it thickens it (the protein) which will make already thick wiry hair even MORE thick and wiry. I have thick, wiry coarse hair and I tried henna and let's just say it was NOT something I will suggest to other coarse folks!

To soften my coarse hair, the following things have worked for me

1. ditching the gel (or using in moderation). Instead of styling with a gel, I use more creamy/butter based products and top with a small amount of gel.

2. Deep conditioning regularly. I deep condition my hair every 2 weeks in moderate weather (spring and fall), and every week in extreme heat and cold weather (winter and summer). I also use a heat cap everytime I deep condition.

3. Oil rinses are fantastic for coarse hair

4. After applying a water based moisturizer, sealing in the moisture with a light oil/butter product

5. Drinking plenty of water (hydration starts within!)

6. Always use a leave in conditioner. My hair tend to perfer those with butters and oils in them, BTMS, silk amino acids, and honey/glycerine.

7. A good spritz will go a long way to helping soften dry, coarse, brittle hair.

Hope this helps!
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
I have coarse hair and henna makes my hair retain moisture like never before and its stays soft like I can't believe. It makes my hair feel nice and kind of sleek.

Last edited by vkb247; 07-29-2009 at 11:14 PM.
I am so confused with my hair when it comes to whether its strands are fine, medium, or coarse. Also whether or not its dense.
Ive been trying to figure it out for days.... lol
Can someone look at my fotki and let me know? I think this would help me figure out whether or not I need more moisture or protein.

thanks
Originally Posted by Nelda
Here is a post i wrote that talks about how to do a hair assessment so that you can answer the questions that you posted.

http://napskinkscoilsandcurls.blogsp...ssessment.html

Things like density can't be answered from looking at pictures for a lot of reasons. You might have thin, fine hair strands but a lot of hair (density) which in pictures might look the same as someone with thick coarse hair strands that lacks density. Even though the hair might LOOK the same, it would prob need to be treated differently.

good luck
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
wonderful informative blog. I plan to do this assessment. I may be surprised at what I find out!
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Onyxcabelo, it could be my products. I either shampoo (kinky curly come clean) or cowash with Trader Joeís Nourish Spa every day. I suspect that is probably not good for coarse hair. But you see, I just canít stand to not wash the scalp. I work out a lot and I sweat quite a bit when I do- really, it would be bad for everyone around me if I didnít do this. Itís for the greater good.

Kranberry and Hippy Chick, I have not tried silk amino acids or shea butter. The smell of the shea butter scared me off a few years back but maybe I should check it out again.

That Aubrey Organics HSR, honey, coconut milk mixture Nubian coils brought upÖ.quite intriguing. Even more so cuz I have all that stuff in my house this very moment. That aloe vera sounds like it could be good too.

Nappy Curly Crown, you may be on to something. I only used a bit of gel on top of my hair today. I used líoreal unkempt instead mixed with grapeseed oil and a few drops lavender oil. No silky hair commercials coming my way any time soon but much better.

Do you do the oil rinse after or before you wash your hair?
I think Iím just going to follow your routine from now on if you donít mind.

I want to try out that test mentioned in that blog you brought up too. Only it would require that I see what my hair looks like without product and right now, thatís a bit too for me.
try henna a few times. this will give you sleek shiny hair. read up on it in the henna thread and on hennaforhair.com. and start using shea butter and coconut oil with stying. they both work wonders. also if you are currently rinsing your conditioner out STOP!!!! leave it in for added moisture/protection.
Originally Posted by shake
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Don't use henna!

If you have coarse hair, the LAST thing I would suggest is henna! That might make it worse! Henna contains the Lawsone molecule (which is responsible for the dye and conditioning effect) which binds heavily to protein. Coarse hair has an ADUNDANCE of protein...which is what causes it to be thick and wiry feeling. When the lawsone molecule binds to protein, it thickens it (the protein) which will make already thick wiry hair even MORE thick and wiry. I have thick, wiry coarse hair and I tried henna and let's just say it was NOT something I will suggest to other coarse folks!

To soften my coarse hair, the following things have worked for me

1. ditching the gel (or using in moderation). Instead of styling with a gel, I use more creamy/butter based products and top with a small amount of gel.

2. Deep conditioning regularly. I deep condition my hair every 2 weeks in moderate weather (spring and fall), and every week in extreme heat and cold weather (winter and summer). I also use a heat cap everytime I deep condition.

3. Oil rinses are fantastic for coarse hair

4. After applying a water based moisturizer, sealing in the moisture with a light oil/butter product

5. Drinking plenty of water (hydration starts within!)

6. Always use a leave in conditioner. My hair tend to perfer those with butters and oils in them, BTMS, silk amino acids, and honey/glycerine.

7. A good spritz will go a long way to helping soften dry, coarse, brittle hair.

Hope this helps!
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
I have coarse hair and henna makes my hair retain moisture like never before and its stays soft like I can't believe. It makes my hair feel nice and kind of sleek.
Originally Posted by vkb247
But you also have a texturizer, which makes a huge difference in the structural properties of the hair. The chemicals used in texturizers break down the protein bonds...which is why you maybe having good results from the henna since it binds to the protein in the hair.

Which is a very good point, chemical and maybe even color treated hair might respond differently, since protein is used to strengthen hair after these services.
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How do you feel about this product? I usually cowash with TJNS as well but i have been considering trying the come clean. Tell me about your experience please and compare if you can. Thanks!

Onyxcabelo, it could be my products. I either shampoo (kinky curly come clean) or cowash with Trader Joeís Nourish Spa every day. I suspect that is probably not good for coarse hair. But you see, I just canít stand to not wash the scalp. I work out a lot and I sweat quite a bit when I do- really, it would be bad for everyone around me if I didnít do this. Itís for the greater good.

Kranberry and Hippy Chick, I have not tried silk amino acids or shea butter. The smell of the shea butter scared me off a few years back but maybe I should check it out again.

That Aubrey Organics HSR, honey, coconut milk mixture Nubian coils brought upÖ.quite intriguing. Even more so cuz I have all that stuff in my house this very moment. That aloe vera sounds like it could be good too.

Nappy Curly Crown, you may be on to something. I only used a bit of gel on top of my hair today. I used líoreal unkempt instead mixed with grapeseed oil and a few drops lavender oil. No silky hair commercials coming my way any time soon but much better.

Do you do the oil rinse after or before you wash your hair?
I think Iím just going to follow your routine from now on if you donít mind.

I want to try out that test mentioned in that blog you brought up too. Only it would require that I see what my hair looks like without product and right now, thatís a bit too for me.
Originally Posted by freemayo
"We Live From the Head Down and Not the Feet Up" ~Donnie
I am so confused with my hair when it comes to whether its strands are fine, medium, or coarse. Also whether or not its dense.
Ive been trying to figure it out for days.... lol
Can someone look at my fotki and let me know? I think this would help me figure out whether or not I need more moisture or protein.

thanks
Originally Posted by Nelda
Here is a post i wrote that talks about how to do a hair assessment so that you can answer the questions that you posted.

http://napskinkscoilsandcurls.blogsp...ssessment.html

Things like density can't be answered from looking at pictures for a lot of reasons. You might have thin, fine hair strands but a lot of hair (density) which in pictures might look the same as someone with thick coarse hair strands that lacks density. Even though the hair might LOOK the same, it would prob need to be treated differently.

good luck
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
Thanks nappy.. Your post was very helpful in determing my strand size... Ill have to wait to figure out my density b/c I still cannot put my hair in a complete ponytail.. but with what little hair I can put in ponytail its seems like my hair is leaning toward the thick side with fine strands.
Im guessing i need to protein my hair a bit more often b/c I only do it once every two months and DT every wk, and im starting to have breakage the length of an eyelash on the ends of my hair...

thanks again nappy
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Last edited by Nelda; 07-30-2009 at 11:11 AM.
no problem. I did a post a while back either here or on np.com about how to determine if you need protein or moisture and maintaining the balance. I need to find it and turn it into a blog post. That would certainly help a lot of people.
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