Nappy_curly_crown... Braids?

(... and anyone else that can answer these questions...)

I am really worried about damage from braids and after reading one of your posts I thought you might be able to help me. I'm worried about my edges, but I'm not sure how to be sure that the person knows what is "too much" hair on the edges and what's a "good sized" part. Do you have any(more) suggestions/things I should tell the braided to ensure the least damage is done to my hair? Or any tips on how to prepare my hair to be braided. I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you!



1. I do not allow them to clean up the braids. For what? All that you can see is the few braids on top. I had one lady tell me that cleaning up the braids would get rid of my split ends. I took my hair down and pulled a section out and asked her to show me a split end. She shut the phuck up...end of story.

2. As soon as they start asking about me getting a perm, I let it be know that I'm not interested in getting a perm, espically not to make thier job eaiser. That's why i'm paying YOU GOOD MONEY to do my hair. If natural hair is a problem for you, I'll gladly take my money and business else where. Guess what....they shut the phuck up.

3. I bring my own wide tooth combs with me. I make it clear that the only reason the fine tooth comb should come near my hair is if they are using the pointed end to part my hair with. Don't even ask about blowing my hair out. I already washed and stretched it out, if you can't braid it like this then guess what...me and my money can walk up out the door. And....you guessed it...she shut the phuck up.
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Last edited by pulchri2dinous; 08-21-2009 at 03:24 PM.
LMAO....@ the quote from me.

I usually get my hair trimmed before I get it braided, to ensure that the added hair and weight doesn't cause any splits. I also usually apply a strong protein treatment if needed (aphogee 2 step) and follow up with lots of moisture. I'll usually do this 2 weeks prior and then lots of moisture leading up to the time that it is braided.

As far as the edges, if it feels too tight, or like your facial skin is being pulled, its too tight. Don't feel like because they are "professionals" that you can't question them. Even if you don't know anything about braids, ask questions and have them explain it to you. If it sounds wrong or crazy, then tell them you don't want them to do that.

I tend to get the hair around my hair line braided loose. They will prob tell you that braiding it loose will cause it to slip....which isn't true for natural hair. It will slip...but only after a few weeks to a month if any. I usually end up getting my hair line rebraided after 1.5 months, and then I take the brads out after 3 months.

I usually have my braids done with synthetic hair, so you don't HAVE to use human hair if that's an added expense.

Also, I wash my braids weekly or at the least, biweekly. I put the braids into 4 big loose braids to wash. I use a diluted shampoo mix....focusing on the scalp and let it run down the length of the braid. Rinse and then use a very diluted conditioner mix, and I pour that down the length of the braid, avoiding the scalp. The conditioner does cause the braids to slip more of you don't dilute it.

I rinse again and then apply a leave in conditioner (diluted) down the length of the braid and I apply a liquid oil to my scalp (usually the africa's best herbal oil in a color applicator bottle with the spout). If the braids are a bit frizzy, I'll apply a light gel (Elasta QP Feels like silk) down the length of the braid and then braid the braids into about 10-12 smaller, tighter braids and let them air dry over night or sit under the dryer. This usually calms the frizzes and keeps the braids looking newer longer.

When you take out the braids, I usually detangle as I go and then put my hair into larger braids. Don't wash without detangling first, otherwise you will end up with a matted mess! After I wash, I do another aphogee protein treatment, and then a deeeeeep conditioner. Usually, I can skip the protein and just do the deep conditioner.

After a period of time in braids, I usually gain about 2-2.5 inches (in 3 months) and since I trimed prior to the braids, its nothing to cut off. Usuallly I'm knot free and my ends are still nice and blunt.

Hope this helps
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Thank you! That was great advice You're awesome!
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Awesome post NCC! I had a lot of questions about added hair braids and that answered most of them.

I was wondering, where do you get your synthetic hair? Also would you recommend yarn braids?

Thanks.


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Awesome post NCC! I had a lot of questions about added hair braids and that answered most of them.

I was wondering, where do you get your synthetic hair? Also would you recommend yarn braids?

Thanks.
Originally Posted by KinkyKeeper
honestly, I go to the BSS and I usually feel the hair in a couple of the packs and get what feels "ok" to the touch. I usually use Kankelon type hair. Just remember that with synthetic hair, moisturize your hair (the braid hair and your hair) with a diluted leave in (i use my normal leave in, add spring water and oil to a spray bottle) a couple times a week or daily even if your hair is majorly dry.

I've wanted yarn braids for the LONGEST!!! I think they are sooo pretty! But I'll be honest, I'm scared ****less that the yarn will cause my hair to dry out something aweful. I remember a post a while back over on NP where a young lady had them, loved them, and never had any ill effects from them. Try using the search feature over there and see if you can find it. I'm on the fence about them, but I think eventually I might cave and get them. They look nicer the older they get (to me any way) which is a plus for me!
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question: I'm doing my own braids in the coming days. I've used synthetic kanekalon hair before, but I've never rinsed them (never had to). I want to try this. I know to use ACV and water, is there a recommended ratio? (50:50?). TIA

NCC great advice. I only moisturize my own hair usually when I do braids. I'm going to start moisturizing the fake hair as well with my leave in. Good times!
I've heard about rinising and treating the hair before you braid with it, but i'm just way to dayum lazy to do all that. But because i'm lazy, even though I use the synthetic hair, I do try to use a little bit higher quality hair. If I was using the 99cent braid hair, I might do all that, but if i'm using $5-7 a pack hair, I'm not doing all that mess.
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thanks NCC. yeah, I've only used the $5-7 packs and never rinsed. I'll try it though and see if it makes a difference. I read on growafrohairlong that I should just fill the sink with water and add a cup of vinegar. I will report back
Awesome post NCC! I had a lot of questions about added hair braids and that answered most of them.

I was wondering, where do you get your synthetic hair? Also would you recommend yarn braids?

Thanks.
Originally Posted by KinkyKeeper
honestly, I go to the BSS and I usually feel the hair in a couple of the packs and get what feels "ok" to the touch. I usually use Kankelon type hair. Just remember that with synthetic hair, moisturize your hair (the braid hair and your hair) with a diluted leave in (i use my normal leave in, add spring water and oil to a spray bottle) a couple times a week or daily even if your hair is majorly dry.

I've wanted yarn braids for the LONGEST!!! I think they are sooo pretty! But I'll be honest, I'm scared ****less that the yarn will cause my hair to dry out something aweful. I remember a post a while back over on NP where a young lady had them, loved them, and never had any ill effects from them. Try using the search feature over there and see if you can find it. I'm on the fence about them, but I think eventually I might cave and get them. They look nicer the older they get (to me any way) which is a plus for me!
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown

Thanks Yeah yarn braids are very pretty.


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Guano: what are yarn braids? Just braids done with yarn instead of hair?
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Guano: what are yarn braids? Just braids done with yarn instead of hair?
Originally Posted by Phoenix
Basicly. But I've also seen the ones where the yarn (and I think its a specific kind of yarn) is wraped around the length of the hair...they look almost like locs.
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Nappy Curly Crown,

Whose your braider in the city? Also, what kind of braids do you get, and what size? box braids?
4a, fine coils. low/med porosity. "It's springy. Like a slinky."--My Lil' Cousin

I use products on 90% dry hair.
Wash: Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Castille Soap.
Conditioner: Tigi Bedhead Moisture Maniac/Suave Humectants
Moisturizers: Long Aid
Styler: Ecostyler Clear/ Vitamin E Oil
Elle Braiding Salon

They used to be right off the U St metro stop, but it looks like they have moved and are in Wheaton at the Westfield Mall (can't remember which metro stop that is)

Here is the website: http://www.ellebraidingsalon.com/home.nxg

The prices include the hair...so you don't have to bring any.

They have a gallery with LOTS of pictures of thier work along with coupons for 5% off less than $100 and 10% off more than $100.

I usually get kinky twists or regular box braids. If I get box braids, I get them about bra strap length, a little but bigger than micros, and then I have them braided and dipped in the hot water to make them crinkle.
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A small world. I checked out this salon in wheaton last year for braiding services. Unfortunately, the woman wasn't trying to hear my request of not blowing out my hair (my hair was already majorly heat damaged from another stylest), so I opted to put my braids in myself.

However, I'll give her a call this fall and see if I can get them to see things my way. And the pics of the crinkly braids were beautiful in stylest's portfolio

Thanks for the rec.
4a, fine coils. low/med porosity. "It's springy. Like a slinky."--My Lil' Cousin

I use products on 90% dry hair.
Wash: Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Castille Soap.
Conditioner: Tigi Bedhead Moisture Maniac/Suave Humectants
Moisturizers: Long Aid
Styler: Ecostyler Clear/ Vitamin E Oil
Did you speak to the owner of just one of the braiders? The owner/manager is really nice, but u usually have to call during the day before 3-4pm to speak to her (she usually leaves when her daughter gets out of school). I usually just wash and braid my hair into big braids to strech it out a bit. If its not dry all the way, I will blow it out on low heat myself. Just enough to make it easier for them to part and section and not tangle (and for me since I'm UBER tenderheaded), but it was no where near bone straight. And since I did it myself, I didn't have to worry about the blow dryer being too hot or them damaging my hair.

Just arrive at the salon with it streched and you shouldn't have any problem.
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LMAO....@ the quote from me.

I usually get my hair trimmed before I get it braided, to ensure that the added hair and weight doesn't cause any splits. I also usually apply a strong protein treatment if needed (aphogee 2 step) and follow up with lots of moisture. I'll usually do this 2 weeks prior and then lots of moisture leading up to the time that it is braided.

As far as the edges, if it feels too tight, or like your facial skin is being pulled, its too tight. Don't feel like because they are "professionals" that you can't question them. Even if you don't know anything about braids, ask questions and have them explain it to you. If it sounds wrong or crazy, then tell them you don't want them to do that.

I tend to get the hair around my hair line braided loose. They will prob tell you that braiding it loose will cause it to slip....which isn't true for natural hair. It will slip...but only after a few weeks to a month if any. I usually end up getting my hair line rebraided after 1.5 months, and then I take the brads out after 3 months.

I usually have my braids done with synthetic hair, so you don't HAVE to use human hair if that's an added expense.

Also, I wash my braids weekly or at the least, biweekly. I put the braids into 4 big loose braids to wash. I use a diluted shampoo mix....focusing on the scalp and let it run down the length of the braid. Rinse and then use a very diluted conditioner mix, and I pour that down the length of the braid, avoiding the scalp. The conditioner does cause the braids to slip more of you don't dilute it.

I rinse again and then apply a leave in conditioner (diluted) down the length of the braid and I apply a liquid oil to my scalp (usually the africa's best herbal oil in a color applicator bottle with the spout). If the braids are a bit frizzy, I'll apply a light gel (Elasta QP Feels like silk) down the length of the braid and then braid the braids into about 10-12 smaller, tighter braids and let them air dry over night or sit under the dryer. This usually calms the frizzes and keeps the braids looking newer longer.

When you take out the braids, I usually detangle as I go and then put my hair into larger braids. Don't wash without detangling first, otherwise you will end up with a matted mess! After I wash, I do another aphogee protein treatment, and then a deeeeeep conditioner. Usually, I can skip the protein and just do the deep conditioner.

After a period of time in braids, I usually gain about 2-2.5 inches (in 3 months) and since I trimed prior to the braids, its nothing to cut off. Usuallly I'm knot free and my ends are still nice and blunt.

Hope this helps
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
Can the same advice/techniques be applied to twist extensions? How diluted is your conditioner mixture?
Last Relaxer: Nov. 07
BC: May. 2010 (30 months)
Hair Type: thick 4b/4a
Current length: back at APL
Goal length: hip
Staples: natural growth aides
yes...i use this for braids/twist extentions. I use the wash/condition methods for twists with just my own hair.

I've never measured the conditioner ratio...but it's pretty darn thin...maybe 1:3 or 1:4 (conditioner:water). I also try and add glycerine to the mix to try and increase the moisture. If you don't like glycerine, try castor oil added (less than a teaspoon mixed well should be enough).

good luck
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Two questions for anyone who is knowledgable about extensions.

Do I need to blowdry my hair before I go to the salon, which will probably be some random braid shop in Harlem?

What kind of hair is used for Senegalese twists and does this differ from kinky twists? Also can you leave the hair unburned?
Shampoo: Giovanni 50:50, Nexxus Aloe Rid
Detangling Conditioner: Oyin Honey Hemp, EO Sweet Orange
Cowash Conditioner:
Suave Naturals Sea Breeze, V05 Tea Therapy, Oyin Honey Hemp
Deep Conditioner: CJ Hibiscus & Banana Deep Fix, Spa Siam Coconut Hair Mask, Yes to Carrots Mud Mask
Leave-in Conditioner: Afroveda NU Milk Hair Conditioner, CJ Hibiscus & Banana Honey Butta Leave-in, Knot Today
Stylers: SheaMoisture, JC Nourish and Shine, Burdock Root Butter Cream, Afroveda CocoLatte Moisture Mask
yes...i use this for braids/twist extentions. I use the wash/condition methods for twists with just my own hair.

I've never measured the conditioner ratio...but it's pretty darn thin...maybe 1:3 or 1:4 (conditioner:water). I also try and add glycerine to the mix to try and increase the moisture. If you don't like glycerine, try castor oil added (less than a teaspoon mixed well should be enough).

good luck
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
thank you NCC. I need these twists to last as long as possible while still looking good. Im going to shoot for 3 months although I know its a stretch.
Thanks again.
Last Relaxer: Nov. 07
BC: May. 2010 (30 months)
Hair Type: thick 4b/4a
Current length: back at APL
Goal length: hip
Staples: natural growth aides
Okay this is what I plan on doing

Protein treatment followed by moisturizing treatment 2 weeks prior to getting braids
Moisturizing treatment 1 week prior to getting braids

This part I am not sure about

Day before getting braids Moisturizing treatment

Apply leave in conditioner YTCucumbers regular

Twist hair in big fat twists about 10 on each side with Ilippe Butter cream(mostly water, ilippe butter, babassu oil, and kokum butter) to air dry

Day of take down twists and get my hair kinky twisted

I am so excited my appointment is for 23NOV

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