How does Cetyl alcohol affect your hair?

I feel like hardly any products work for me. So I did some research last night. I found that the products that have made my hair extra greasy all contain cetyl, cetearyl or stearyl alcohol. They contain other (potential culprit) ingredients, but those are the only ingredients they ALL have in common.

Upon doing more research (for example: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Cetyl_alcohol) , it appears that these alcohols are produced from palm oil or coconut oil? (If any chemists/science ppl are reading this, pls correct me if I'm wrong)

This leads me to believe that maybe my hair doesn't absorb those oils well. But they seem to be in a lot of products. Has anyone else had this experience? What do you think?
it works as an emulsifying agent just like btms to bind water/oils. i dont have any problems with it.
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Cetyl is an alcohol not an oil. It is derived from those plants. If your hair is getting greasy I don't think it could be the culprit. This the stuff that puts "condition" in conditioner.

I've heard of people feeling their hair getting over-conditioned at times. Maybe this is what your experiencing?
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hmm..I've heard of that too but it doesn't feel that way...it feels the way it would if I put hair grease on my hair...I don't think that's a sign of overconditioning but maybe. I know they're not oils but I wondered if they could act like them...maybe there is more than one thing that weighs my hair down. I was just hoping it wasn't several ingredients b/c that will really cut down the amt of products I can use


I just figured I'd ask...

Cetyl is an alcohol not an oil. It is derived from those plants. If your hair is getting greasy I don't think it could be the culprit. This the stuff that puts "condition" in conditioner.

I've heard of people feeling their hair getting over-conditioned at times. Maybe this is what your experiencing?
Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen
do you use other products aside from the ones that have these ingredients? It could be something else you are using.
yes...i also don't like greasy hair, so i feel your pain...

please list every product that you use and own...

also list any combinations...list if you use product(s)/combinations on wet or dry hair and what type of style.
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For my hair I think its how much Cetyl Alcohol is in the product. I have used conditioners where the 2nd or 3rd ingredient is Cetyl Alcohol and dried out my hair. My hair just didn't like it. But when its further down the list of ingredients they work just fine. I guess everyone hair just reacts differently to products.
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Coilynap,

the only products that I use that don't contain that are are KCCC and KBB hair milk and neither one feels like its weighing my hair down so I don't suspect its an ingredient from one of those.

Wind,


Besides the above products, I don't regularly use anything but I have tried Qhemet AOHC and Burdock Root Cream. I used both on wet hair but I did try the Burdock again on dry hair recently.

I have tried Wet Set Pudding by Sister Smith and Curly Q Curly Custard by Curly Qs (Curls). I had the same result as the Qhemets, but the Wet Set pudding was the least greasy. I tried Milkshake by Curls and my hair felt a little weighed down at first but then felt dry within 24 hrs. However, that one was my mistake b/c I bought it in a haste and didn't read the ingredients. I recently bought Curls Soufle but never tried it after realizing it had very similar ingredients as their custard.

I have also tried Jojoba oil, Dabur oil, and Grapeseed oil, as well as pure shea butter. They all felt greasy on my hair.

I generally wash my hair with Whole Foods brand poo and conditioner (sometimes I skip the poo) and use Giovanni Direct as leave ins and deep treatments. I have tried all the above products over my leave in conditioner b/c I don't put anything in my hair without conditioner when its wet.

The only other product I have tried on dry hair was KBB HM and my hair absorbed it with no problem.

Any ideas???

yes...i also don't like greasy hair, so i feel your pain...

please list every product that you use and own...

also list any combinations...list if you use product(s)/combinations on wet or dry hair and what type of style.
Originally Posted by Windflower
hmmm...

i have also tried the wet set pudding...didn't like it either.

do you like the results you get from KCCC and KBBB? do you also use the KCKT (Knot Today)? if so, how do you like it?

is it that your hair is not moisturized and most products feel greasy? i am sorry; i can't recall what problem you having...one of those days...

i wonder if Afroveda conditioners would be good for you? they are light and make wonderful leave-ins.

what are the ingredients for the Whole Foods shampoo?

have you told us how you mostly wear your hair?

Coilynap,

the only products that I use that don't contain that are are KCCC and KBB hair milk and neither one feels like its weighing my hair down so I don't suspect its an ingredient from one of those.

Wind,


Besides the above products, I don't regularly use anything but I have tried Qhemet AOHC and Burdock Root Cream. I used both on wet hair but I did try the Burdock again on dry hair recently.

I have tried Wet Set Pudding by Sister Smith and Curly Q Curly Custard by Curly Qs (Curls). I had the same result as the Qhemets, but the Wet Set pudding was the least greasy. I tried Milkshake by Curls and my hair felt a little weighed down at first but then felt dry within 24 hrs. However, that one was my mistake b/c I bought it in a haste and didn't read the ingredients. I recently bought Curls Soufle but never tried it after realizing it had very similar ingredients as their custard.

I have also tried Jojoba oil, Dabur oil, and Grapeseed oil, as well as pure shea butter. They all felt greasy on my hair.

I generally wash my hair with Whole Foods brand poo and conditioner (sometimes I skip the poo) and use Giovanni Direct as leave ins and deep treatments. I have tried all the above products over my leave in conditioner b/c I don't put anything in my hair without conditioner when its wet.

The only other product I have tried on dry hair was KBB HM and my hair absorbed it with no problem.

Any ideas???

yes...i also don't like greasy hair, so i feel your pain...

please list every product that you use and own...

also list any combinations...list if you use product(s)/combinations on wet or dry hair and what type of style.
Originally Posted by Windflower
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
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Well I never really thought about that? Maybe my hair is generally not moisturized enough and that is why it feels greasy. I do like KBB hair milk, I just have to use it everyday to refresh my curls. I haven't tried KBB with KCCC b/c I only use KCCC with wash and gos and I'm trying not to do that anymore b/c it takes so long for my hair to dry and I think maybe my hair is doing better without them.

I wear my hair out and occassionally I wear a ponytail...but that's out, no other styles. I was having the front braided before the recession hit but now I never have the money for that lol.

I have now stopped using WF shampoo and I'm using either Dr. Bonners All in One Soap or African Black Soap (by Nubian Heritage) and neither one has any harsh ingredients...let me know if I should list them anyway. I think maybe you are on to something about my hair not being moisturized but the hair milk doesn't leave my hair greasy so I will stick with it for now.
this could be a crap shoot, but have you tried clarifying? I use baking soda in water and after I do this all my products work better. Maybe try this? And then try your products with CA. Otherwise,
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Are you shampooing with african black soap? That stuff dries my hair out something awful. I can put a vat of oil on my hair before using it and my hair would still be as dry as a birds nest. So I would suggest that you clarify your hair first, maybe with an ACV rinse then follow that with a moisturizing shampoo like BB soy cream shampoo. Then deep condish. Then use a moisturizing leave in. KBB hair milk dries my hair out. It has too much wax in it. My hair hates wax. A better product is Darcy botanicals daily leave-in. Love that stuff. She also makes a spritz. Hasn't worked for me YET, but others love it. If you prefer shampoo bars, the one that has worked the best on my dry hair is CV babassu and marshmallow. Left me with soft hair. After washing with the soap, I did an oil rinse with Afroveda sun citrus oil. Then conditioned as usual. Soft hair. Not oily at all.

One more product is good for dry hair and it is qhemet detangling ghee. Provides moisture without being greasy. But I think it all starts with hair that does not have any buildup on it. HTH
That sounds interesting...what is CA?

this could be a crap shoot, but have you tried clarifying? I use baking soda in water and after I do this all my products work better. Maybe try this? And then try your products with CA. Otherwise,
Originally Posted by coilynapp
I only just started using the black soap as shampoo so I wouldn't blame that for the dryness. However, up until a couple weeks ago, I was wetting my hair everyday. Although my hair looks better after its water washed and responds well to water, I wondered if maybe it was too much for too long and/or my leave in wasn't moisturizing enough to handle that much water.

Mind you, I've been doing this almost 2 yrs with no problem. But the past few mths my hair has become more dry. I also hadn't been doing any deep treatments/conditioners regularly until a few weeks ago (fell off the wagon lol) so that might be it.

I have now started using deep conditioner every wash and my hair seems to be responding well to the KBB hair milk and giovanni direct so I'm gonna keep that up and see what happens.

I am def interested in hearing about good deep conditioners though. Any suggestions??? What is CV btw?

Thanks for the feedback!

Are you shampooing with african black soap? That stuff dries my hair out something awful. I can put a vat of oil on my hair before using it and my hair would still be as dry as a birds nest. So I would suggest that you clarify your hair first, maybe with an ACV rinse then follow that with a moisturizing shampoo like BB soy cream shampoo. Then deep condish. Then use a moisturizing leave in. KBB hair milk dries my hair out. It has too much wax in it. My hair hates wax. A better product is Darcy botanicals daily leave-in. Love that stuff. She also makes a spritz. Hasn't worked for me YET, but others love it. If you prefer shampoo bars, the one that has worked the best on my dry hair is CV babassu and marshmallow. Left me with soft hair. After washing with the soap, I did an oil rinse with Afroveda sun citrus oil. Then conditioned as usual. Soft hair. Not oily at all.

One more product is good for dry hair and it is qhemet detangling ghee. Provides moisture without being greasy. But I think it all starts with hair that does not have any buildup on it. HTH
Originally Posted by lovestosamba
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CV is Chargrin Valley. They make excellent shampoo bars. But I read on LHCF that you shouldn't use a bar more than 1x a week. It will dry your hair out. AND the poster said that wetting with water or co-washing the hair everyday can cause dryness. Instead try a spritz. Suggestions are Hairveda hydrasilica, Darcy's herbal spritz, njoi creations herbal spritz (haven't tried this one and hesitate to list it 'cause she won't list full ingredients, but the ladies on LHCF love it). Deep conditioners: Darcys deep conditioner, ChristineGant on etsy babassu conditioner. I'm sure other curlies have suggestions.
i wet my hair everyday. well, at least five days a week. i have to because i don't get second day hair. i have been wetting my hair at least five days a week for seven years.

my hair isn't dry at all. at one point it was getting dry, but i also had stopped deep conditioning.

i think once you start deep conditioning again, your hair will respond with less dryness.

CA = Cetyl Alcohol
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I think that may be it too, Windflower. I'll be back to report on my progress. Thanks so much for all these wonderful suggestions, ladies!!!
Tnatural, do u have fine hair and/or low porosity. I think I was completey right about thinking it was cetearyl alcohol. All those products were loaded with it and it made my hair greasy but it could also make your hair dry. I found this interview with Curl Chemist about it:

http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/2008/09...mollients.html

For my hair I think its how much Cetyl Alcohol is in the product. I have used conditioners where the 2nd or 3rd ingredient is Cetyl Alcohol and dried out my hair. My hair just didn't like it. But when its further down the list of ingredients they work just fine. I guess everyone hair just reacts differently to products.
Originally Posted by tnatural
Tnatural, do u have fine hair and/or low porosity. I think I was completey right about thinking it was cetearyl alcohol. All those products were loaded with it and it made my hair greasy but it could also make your hair dry. I found this interview with Curl Chemist about it:

http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/2008/09...mollients.html

For my hair I think its how much Cetyl Alcohol is in the product. I have used conditioners where the 2nd or 3rd ingredient is Cetyl Alcohol and dried out my hair. My hair just didn't like it. But when its further down the list of ingredients they work just fine. I guess everyone hair just reacts differently to products.
Originally Posted by tnatural
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
No my hair is very thick, but I do find that products with a lot of Cetyl Alcohol do not absorb well in my hair ex. Suave Tropical Coconut, Nature's Gate, BioInfusion, and Herbal Essence conditioners. I used the Suave a lot when I first started to transition to cowash and it worked but as my natural grew more it started to dry it out. The only thing I could come up with was the CA listed as one of the main ingredients in all the conditioners. It feels like the conditioner just sitting on top of the head not doing anything. I now use Trader Joe's and Jason Natural conditioners to cowash. They have a little CA but my hair does not mind it.

Anyway, have you tried Aubrey Organics conditioners? I use the Honeysuckle Rose and Island Natural for deep conditioning and the GPB is good for prepoo.
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Tnatural, do u have fine hair and/or low porosity. I think I was completey right about thinking it was cetearyl alcohol. All those products were loaded with it and it made my hair greasy but it could also make your hair dry. I found this interview with Curl Chemist about it:

http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/2008/09...mollients.html

For my hair I think its how much Cetyl Alcohol is in the product. I have used conditioners where the 2nd or 3rd ingredient is Cetyl Alcohol and dried out my hair. My hair just didn't like it. But when its further down the list of ingredients they work just fine. I guess everyone hair just reacts differently to products.
Originally Posted by tnatural
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
No my hair is very thick, but I do find that products with a lot of Cetyl Alcohol do not absorb well in my hair ex. Suave Tropical Coconut, Nature's Gate, BioInfusion, and Herbal Essence conditioners. I used the Suave a lot when I first started to transition to cowash and it worked but as my natural grew more it started to dry it out. The only thing I could come up with was the CA listed as one of the main ingredients in all the conditioners. It feels like the conditioner just sitting on top of the head not doing anything. I now use Trader Joe's and Jason Natural conditioners to cowash. They have a little CA but my hair does not mind it.

Anyway, have you tried Aubrey Organics conditioners? I use the Honeysuckle Rose and Island Natural for deep conditioning and the GPB is good for prepoo.
Originally Posted by tnatural
i thought the first ingredient Coconut Fatty Acids is actually cetyl alcohol. am i thinking that coconut fatty acid is different?
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