Pen Spring/Coil type hair

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i have the pen springs/coils hair and they are small. if i use a comb to comb out/detangle i get this weird straightened out afro puff that just doesnt look right. i mean like i shouldnt walk outside or go to work with it lol. i get tight coils by the hairline and these weird spirals/loose curls towards the crown. even when i do twist outs my hair gets wavy and not curly no matter how big or small the twist is. i thought my hair is like the ad on the left (except more straight with little to no kinky), the hair rules kinky before/after. but when my hair is wet it looks nothing like that.

am i just looking at wrong photos for inspiration?
is my hair supposed to do that? or is that just one of the many styles you can rock with my type of hair?
I have tiny coils over much of my head too...and I love them! I had to quit looking to photos for inspiration, because I simply haven't seen another head of hair like mine. Your hair is unique to you, and you have to find what works best for it. I've had a lot of luck with shingling styles. Taking gel/product through small sections of wet hair, with a fine-toothed comb gives me lots of definition, but is very time consuming. I've also had lots of luck with raking Long Aid curl activator gel through wet hair with my fingers, and then making a puff at the crown of my head. When I do twist-outs, I use a combo of gel/conditioner/and castor oil, and I flat-twist as much as I can. That gives a more uniform curl appearance, and the mixture gives me plent of hold. My hair does not get the "clumping" or individual strands of curls that some others get, but I've learned to work with what I've got, and love it!

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u should only comb out or detangle with conditioner in your hair. after you rinse, leave your curls/coils alone. you can apply a leave-in and/or styler if you choose and just rock it like that...

that hair rules pic isn't a good example
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is your hair supposed to feel dry, moist, sticky, soft, what????
These are hard questions to answer because there's no supposed to. The way you describe your curl being pulled out reminds me of the front/crown section of my hair. It's the tightest and if I pull it in a ponytail it loses all curl formation. If you want to rock a big blowout type fro then I think you would want your hair to look like that. It you want a more compact style that showcases your curl, then that's not hitting it.

As to how it should feel, I would say it shouldn't feel sticky (well maybe it could feel sticky, but most people don't like that) or dry. I guess soft would be the best word to describe how properly moisturized hair should feel; but "soft" feels different on different types of hair.
layer cake of tight, spongy and silky/thready S strands that kink more than they coil
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Question.


Has anyone with 4a curls ever shingled their hair and the curls turned to waves with S curl bends instead of usual curl ringlets ?
Interesting question...I don't think I have even seen ringlets turn to s curls with shingling, wouldn't it just become an elongated ringlet?
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You would think so but that didn't happen to me the last few days on a test I've been doing.


I never thought to shingle as I usually finger rake product in when I wear a wash and go. Well I was bored so i tried some Miracurl out on a section of hair and shingled it in. My hair is elongated with prominent S's or waves.

I'm almost tempted to try it out fully but I'm in a protective style until the end of this month.
Interesting! Well whenever you are done protective styling, I wanna see!
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There's some pictures in my fotki under claudes challenge for the test trial. You have to be my friend though.

Last edited by shawnyblazes; 03-02-2010 at 04:53 PM.
Shawnyblazes,

I usually rake product as well. Shingling seems so time consuming. Let us know when you do your full head. I would love to see the results.
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you know--- it depends on how large the sections are when I shingle/smooth. If I take smaller sections and REALLY work the product through, I do get a stretched out S-curls rather than my tiny ringlets. This also takes FOREVER so I usually dont do this and just do larger sections and let the tiny ringlets be...

also, I never use a comb. breaks up my curl pattern too much.
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Shawnyblazes, your hair looked cool!

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What would be the difference between raking/shingling a small piece of hair? I thought that shingling just gave more coverage, but if it's a few strands of hair wouldn't you ensure you covered them with product anyway? Or do you use more product with shingling? Have you finger raked Miracurl before and your ringlets were in tact?
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3...2....

my understanding is that raking is with fingers and shingling is done with a comb (possibly of the fine tooth variety) and smoothing is done just by that, smoothing the product over the hair...

Shawnyblazes, your hair looked cool!

Possible stupid question in 5...4...

What would be the difference between raking/shingling a small piece of hair? I thought that shingling just gave more coverage, but if it's a few strands of hair wouldn't you ensure you covered them with product anyway? Or do you use more product with shingling? Have you finger raked Miracurl before and your ringlets were in tact?
Originally Posted by ellepixie
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Hah! Thanks Cass. I get it now. Hm...**wheels turning in my little head**
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I think it's the fingers raking versus the pad of the finger smoothing/shingling .

Cassadie and Ross. I agree I do finger rake larger sections because it takes longer if I do smaller sections. However I noticed that I missed sections of my hair and therefor it would poof and frizz instead of clumping together.

The reason I'm wondering if shingling would work is because I would only have to style it once a week and refresh it when I need be.

I've noticed my hair has seperated a lot with shingling that section versus my dense wash and go's. Push come to shove I know I might get tired if I try to shingle my whole head. I was curious if it happened to other 4a's as well.

Elle, Shingling that section of hair I only used a dime size amount. Before with finger raking the Miracurl I used about 2-3 ozs on my whole head. It prolly will equal out in the end though.

Last edited by shawnyblazes; 03-02-2010 at 05:32 PM.
Does shingling reduce frizz too if you're combing from the root? Rosscd, you're right though, it does seem time consuming!
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For me shingling is only using the comb once as I comb the product in a section of hair. The styling part is where I smooth it on by going the the length of the hair with the pads of my finger. So maybe I should say smoothing?

I have less frizz though.
the key for me in however I style it is the final shake out. After I rake or smooth whatever product I'm using, I do a lot of shaking---side to side and upside down to not only break apart the larger clumps, but give my coils a lot of volume. I do this throughout the entire drying time. this makes for a lot of trips to the bathroom and/or a lot of strange stares in public....
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last relaxer: November 2008
big chop: November 2009
4a, fine, dense, teeny weeny coils with low porosity


There seems to be more penspring curlies since the last time I visited the board. Yay!

In warmer/humid weather i smooth products in about inch sized sections with my fingers. No frizz really and stays that way for over a week. When my hair was shorter/TWA phase, raking product through was just as sufficient and much faster. And always, shaking is a must!

Warmer weather is on the horizon and can't wait to rock the little coils/wash-n-wear hair again It's quick, easy, low manipulation, and pensprings look wonderful in updos, buns, and flat twists in the front.
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