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does anyones hair feel dry after using a high pressure stream of water from the shower but with a low pressure stream the hair feels wet?


and also are any of you having difficulty styling outside of twists sans gel. im in a styling rut. i dont want to wear twists again for atleast 6 months.
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I think this is what I'm growing out. If you look closely it's little coils like this but like you guys mentioned I can stand under the shower and I have to squeeze it like you squeeze a sponge when you're trying to get it soaked or else it takes forever for the inside to get wet
I don't know if it's bc of the type of hair or bc of how small the curls are so they're more densely packed


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does anyones hair feel dry after using a high pressure stream of water from the shower but with a low pressure stream the hair feels wet?

and also are any of you having difficulty styling outside of twists sans gel. im in a styling rut. i dont want to wear twists again for atleast 6 months.
Originally Posted by Napp
Yes, I have found my people. lol. Not only does it feel dry but it gets frizzy. If I use a warm, low to medium pressure stream my hair gets wet when I squeeze it and it reduces the frizz.

On the second point I have only been twisting for the last two months and I'm already sick of it. I love not having to do it for two weeks at a time but I'm tired of looking the same way. I was thinking about trying some of these styles. What do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj9sQH8K96s
Current Regimen: I am doing protective styles for the winter. Two Strand Twists and Twist Outs. Wet hair in the middle of winter is not cute.
Favorite Products: Komaza Care Coconut Line, Kinky Curly Line, and Africare 100% Glycerin
Never Again: Carol's Daughter, Miss Jessie's, Garnier Fructis, Hot Oil Treatments
Hair Type: Texture-Spongy, Strand Size-Medium, Curl Pattern-I in the front, O in the middle, and S in the back. 4a
By gosh, yes! I stopped using the shower to wash or rinse my hair because it caused frizz due to the high pressure stream of water. Now, I use my spritz bottle or water from the sink. You would think that hair with a spongy texture would soak up water, but mine does not. I was thinking I had low porosity, but it could just be the spongy effect.





does anyones hair feel dry after using a high pressure stream of water from the shower but with a low pressure stream the hair feels wet?


and also are any of you having difficulty styling outside of twists sans gel. im in a styling rut. i dont want to wear twists again for atleast 6 months.
Originally Posted by Napp
Coily/low porosity/fine
BC 08*14*09
does anyones hair feel dry after using a high pressure stream of water from the shower but with a low pressure stream the hair feels wet?

and also are any of you having difficulty styling outside of twists sans gel. im in a styling rut. i dont want to wear twists again for atleast 6 months.
Originally Posted by Napp
Yes, I have found my people. lol. Not only does it feel dry but it gets frizzy. If I use a warm, low to medium pressure stream my hair gets wet when I squeeze it and it reduces the frizz.

On the second point I have only been twisting for the last two months and I'm already sick of it. I love not having to do it for two weeks at a time but I'm tired of looking the same way. I was thinking about trying some of these styles. What do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj9sQH8K96s
Originally Posted by cayisha_azul
OMG YES. i'm so glad im not the only one

ive been wearing twists since march. im sick of them and they still dont look cute on me.(the length) im thinking why am i wearing a style that looks bad on me? there are other protective styles!Shoot i think i might buy a new flat iron and wear it straight soon! im looking into doing sets like roller sets, braid outs and twist outs for a while.

and i like that video. her vids are great. i may try some of those styles!
4a transitioning
Straight haired natural journey

Last edited by Napp; 10-23-2009 at 06:24 PM.
By gosh, yes! I stopped using the shower to wash or rinse my hair because it caused frizz due to the high pressure stream of water. Now, I use my spritz bottle or water from the sink. You would think that hair with a spongy texture would soak up water, but mine does not. I was thinking I had low porosity, but it could just be the spongy effect.





does anyones hair feel dry after using a high pressure stream of water from the shower but with a low pressure stream the hair feels wet?


and also are any of you having difficulty styling outside of twists sans gel. im in a styling rut. i dont want to wear twists again for atleast 6 months.
Originally Posted by Napp
Originally Posted by caracara01

yes before i stated lowering the shower pressure the only way my hair would get wet was with a spray bottle. i think this is also why i prefer detangling out of the shower.

also i thought i had low porosity too but my hair acts like normal porosity hair concerning chemical applications. (texturizer/color)
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I think this is what I'm growing out. If you look closely it's little coils like this but like you guys mentioned I can stand under the shower and I have to squeeze it like you squeeze a sponge when you're trying to get it soaked or else it takes forever for the inside to get wet
I don't know if it's bc of the type of hair or bc of how small the curls are so they're more densely packed
Originally Posted by Ekaette
yes this is me when i apply product
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OMG YES. i'm so glad im not the only one

ive been wearing twists since march. im sick of them and they still dont look cute on me.(the length) im thinking why am i wearing a style that looks bad on me? there are other protective styles!Shoot i think i might buy a new flat iron and wear it straight soon! im looking into doing sets like roller sets, braid outs and twist outs for a while.

and i like that video. her vids are great. i may try some of those styles!
Originally Posted by Napp
I tried the puff and it was a little bit of a disaster. No matter how much gel I put on my hair it doesn't slick back. I would have to use gel and tie it down at night for it to be flat. Does your hair slick back? (BTW Before you get a new flat iron, you may want to invest in curlformers. You can get it straight without the heat.)
Current Regimen: I am doing protective styles for the winter. Two Strand Twists and Twist Outs. Wet hair in the middle of winter is not cute.
Favorite Products: Komaza Care Coconut Line, Kinky Curly Line, and Africare 100% Glycerin
Never Again: Carol's Daughter, Miss Jessie's, Garnier Fructis, Hot Oil Treatments
Hair Type: Texture-Spongy, Strand Size-Medium, Curl Pattern-I in the front, O in the middle, and S in the back. 4a
OMG YES. i'm so glad im not the only one

ive been wearing twists since march. im sick of them and they still dont look cute on me.(the length) im thinking why am i wearing a style that looks bad on me? there are other protective styles!Shoot i think i might buy a new flat iron and wear it straight soon! im looking into doing sets like roller sets, braid outs and twist outs for a while.

and i like that video. her vids are great. i may try some of those styles!
Originally Posted by Napp
I tried the puff and it was a little bit of a disaster. No matter how much gel I put on my hair it doesn't slick back. I would have to use gel and tie it down at night for it to be flat. Does your hair slick back? (BTW Before you get a new flat iron, you may want to invest in curlformers. You can get it straight without the heat.)
Originally Posted by cayisha_azul
No i CANNOT slick my hair back. this is also why i have difficulty doing a "simple" puff. to pull my hair back i kinda "lay" my hair together. when i dont use my laying technique my hair gets "flat" which is a flat,dull, crinkled look which i do not like. to lay my hair required alot of gel though which is why buns and puff are not staple styles of mine.

also curlformers are 'spensive! i rather get flexi rods and a new flat iron.
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OMG YES. i'm so glad im not the only one

ive been wearing twists since march. im sick of them and they still dont look cute on me.(the length) im thinking why am i wearing a style that looks bad on me? there are other protective styles!Shoot i think i might buy a new flat iron and wear it straight soon! im looking into doing sets like roller sets, braid outs and twist outs for a while.

and i like that video. her vids are great. i may try some of those styles!
Originally Posted by Napp
I tried the puff and it was a little bit of a disaster. No matter how much gel I put on my hair it doesn't slick back. I would have to use gel and tie it down at night for it to be flat. Does your hair slick back? (BTW Before you get a new flat iron, you may want to invest in curlformers. You can get it straight without the heat.)
Originally Posted by cayisha_azul
No i CANNOT slick my hair back. this is also why i have difficulty doing a "simple" puff. to pull my hair back i kinda "lay" my hair together. when i dont use my laying technique my hair gets "flat" which is a flat,dull, crinkled look which i do not like. to lay my hair required alot of gel though which is why buns and puff are not staple styles of mine.

also curlformers are 'spensive! i rather get flexi rods and a new flat iron.
Originally Posted by Napp
I feel you . $60 is a lot in a recession.

I was really frustrated about not being able to wear my hair slicked back in a puff. I realized later that it had something to do with my texture. I would look at videos and wonder why I didn't have any waves. So I'm just going to have to find other cute styles.
Current Regimen: I am doing protective styles for the winter. Two Strand Twists and Twist Outs. Wet hair in the middle of winter is not cute.
Favorite Products: Komaza Care Coconut Line, Kinky Curly Line, and Africare 100% Glycerin
Never Again: Carol's Daughter, Miss Jessie's, Garnier Fructis, Hot Oil Treatments
Hair Type: Texture-Spongy, Strand Size-Medium, Curl Pattern-I in the front, O in the middle, and S in the back. 4a
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I can't tell if her hair is spongy. It's definitely 4a, very fine, VERRRY thick.

It seems like whatever I do, it looks dull and frizzy until I 1) take a photo in which the shine is revealed; 2) take her outside in the sun, during which the shine is revealed.

Even when her pigtails are not visibly frizzy, the sections will be puffy whenever it's humid or rainy. Sometimes I slather her hair in whatever moisturizer I'm using before braiding a section, and it will STILL look rough, frizzy and non-shiny.

And when you look at her hair in pigtails, you can see all these tiny hairs sticking up all along the length of the braid and the top of each section.

When I wet her hair during washing, it doesn't even look wet.




Believe it or not, it is soaking wet here and the next photo:








Is she spongy? I can't tell. I did her hair in 6 regular braids (no ponytail holders @ the base, just barrettes @ the ends).............and I'm not happy with how there's all this frizz from top to bottom, even though I dampened each section before braiding, used shea butter mix and a dab of gel after braiding. Then again, it's been very humid and rainy today.

And I HATE pulling her hair too tight just so there won't be puffiness.....it breaks if I'm not careful.

Last edited by sinistral55; 10-24-2009 at 08:32 PM.
OMG YES. i'm so glad im not the only one

ive been wearing twists since march. im sick of them and they still dont look cute on me.(the length) im thinking why am i wearing a style that looks bad on me? there are other protective styles!Shoot i think i might buy a new flat iron and wear it straight soon! im looking into doing sets like roller sets, braid outs and twist outs for a while.

and i like that video. her vids are great. i may try some of those styles!
Originally Posted by Napp
I tried the puff and it was a little bit of a disaster. No matter how much gel I put on my hair it doesn't slick back. I would have to use gel and tie it down at night for it to be flat. Does your hair slick back? (BTW Before you get a new flat iron, you may want to invest in curlformers. You can get it straight without the heat.)
Originally Posted by cayisha_azul
Hee...yeah my hair slicks back. interesting.
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I can't tell if her hair is spongy. It's definitely 4a, very fine, VERRRY thick.

It seems like whatever I do, it looks dull and frizzy until I 1) take a photo in which the shine is revealed; 2) take her outside in the sun, during which the shine is revealed.

Even when her pigtails are not visibly frizzy, the sections will be puffy whenever it's humid or rainy. Sometimes I slather her hair in whatever moisturizer I'm using before braiding a section, and it will STILL look rough, frizzy and non-shiny.

And when you look at her hair in pigtails, you can see all these tiny hairs sticking up all along the length of the braid and the top of each section.

When I wet her hair during washing, it doesn't even look wet.




Believe it or not, it is soaking wet here and the next photo:








Is she spongy? I can't tell. I did her hair in 6 regular braids (no ponytail holders @ the base, just barrettes @ the ends).............and I'm not happy with how there's all this frizz from top to bottom, even though I dampened each section before braiding, used shea butter mix and a dab of gel after braiding. Then again, it's been very humid and rainy today.

And I HATE pulling her hair too tight just so there won't be puffiness.....it breaks if I'm not careful.
Originally Posted by sinistral55
SHE HAS BEAUTIFUL HAIR. oops! caps lock was on
i never would have guessed that her hair was completely wet. instead of using shea butter and gel after braiding, what about using those products during braiding. u can use aloe vera gel, kinky curly curling custard or afroveda pur whipped gelly as alternatives. you can even whip up your own buttercream for her hair.

frizz is a way of life for my hair, always has been. i see pics of myself as a child and frizz was always prominent. i just embrace it now.
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SHE HAS BEAUTIFUL HAIR. oops! caps lock was on
i never would have guessed that her hair was completely wet. instead of using shea butter and gel after braiding, what about using those products during braiding. u can use aloe vera gel, kinky curly curling custard or afroveda pur whipped gelly as alternatives. you can even whip up your own buttercream for her hair.

frizz is a way of life for my hair, always has been. i see pics of myself as a child and frizz was always prominent. i just embrace it now.
Originally Posted by hippychic
Curly hair reflects less light than straight hair, so our hair may only shine a litle or not at all. But it should have a healthy sheen to it. Is it possible that she has a little product buildup? If so you may want to use a gentle clarifying shampoo. The Komaza Care products have helped cut down on my frizz. She does have beautiful hair. You are doing a good job, just hang in there.
Current Regimen: I am doing protective styles for the winter. Two Strand Twists and Twist Outs. Wet hair in the middle of winter is not cute.
Favorite Products: Komaza Care Coconut Line, Kinky Curly Line, and Africare 100% Glycerin
Never Again: Carol's Daughter, Miss Jessie's, Garnier Fructis, Hot Oil Treatments
Hair Type: Texture-Spongy, Strand Size-Medium, Curl Pattern-I in the front, O in the middle, and S in the back. 4a
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YES. The frizz.

I think the color of her hair has a lot to do with the illusion of dullness, too. You can really see the shine when you take her outside. Our hair is both brown; however, mine has more of a red/orange shade and hers is more of a ash-brown shade.

I just wish her hair had more "clump" to it. I think she may have some product buildup, too. Unfortunately washing is iffy right now

And have any of you experienced this----your hair becomes almost impossible to manage when it's in a style involving only 1 or 2 sections??? Her hair actually does pretty well in 4 afro puffs......but 2 or 1?? Forget it.

I don't care HOWWWW much product, oils, butters, detangling techniques, conditioners, etc......when it's in 1 or 2 puffs it is a complete tangled mess. I don't care how thoroughly I detangled it beforehand. And like some other posters here have mentioned, it's very hard to slick back/down too.

Also, should I be brushing it??? The only time I use a brush is to smooth a section before making a pigtail. The brush is have is very soft boar's bristle. I tried the Denman but it was hopeless on her hair.

I suspect her hair needs low manipulation, but if I just use my fingers, it gets matted at the roots (right next to the scalp)!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by sinistral55; 10-25-2009 at 05:34 PM.
Her hair is gorgeous! i think color has something to do with "shine". i noticed lighter hair tends to reflect less light. but imo spongy hair doesnt really shine. it has a sheen to it. i dont think my hair really gets the wet look wither. here is a pic soaking wet. the crown just does its own thang(very coarse) and the rest water just sits on the top of the strands.




when dry its not shiny but has a sheen. i think this pic is a very good example of what i mean by sheen

i also see this sheen in your daughter's hair. That means her hair is healthy!

my hair also clumps diffrently depending on how i apply products

raked in gel


shingle in gel

also note the shine. my hair only shines like so when it has been gelled heavily.(flash helps too lol)



the frizz factor is reduced with alot of product unfortuantley. when braiding or twisting i make medium/large sized sections and saturate the section until it gtes to a point of saturation and relaxes from a kink into a wave,and then i twist or braid. this helps but i cant go past a certain size or they will just look bad no matter how much product i use. something like french braids i cannot do. i can do two braided pigtails but that involves alot of grease as thats is the only thing i found that holds my hair back without crunch or stiffness.

i just started brushing my hair again after almost 2 years. so far it has helped me make a puff quicker but i still get the "flat" look. Here is the pic of what i call "flat" hair.



i thought it would help me in bunning but it does not. i might use it for wrapping when i straighten.

here it is when i use my laying techniuque. it is more 3-D lol
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Last edited by Napp; 10-25-2009 at 06:39 PM.
i just started brushing my hair again after almost 2 years. so far it has helped me make a puff quicker but i still get the "flat" look. Here is the pic of what i call "flat" hair.



i thought it would help me in bunning but it does not. i might use it for wrapping when i straighten.

here it is when i use my laying techniuque. it is more 3-D lol
Originally Posted by Napp
So how do you do the laying techniuque? What gel and how much gel do you use?
Current Regimen: I am doing protective styles for the winter. Two Strand Twists and Twist Outs. Wet hair in the middle of winter is not cute.
Favorite Products: Komaza Care Coconut Line, Kinky Curly Line, and Africare 100% Glycerin
Never Again: Carol's Daughter, Miss Jessie's, Garnier Fructis, Hot Oil Treatments
Hair Type: Texture-Spongy, Strand Size-Medium, Curl Pattern-I in the front, O in the middle, and S in the back. 4a
SHE HAS BEAUTIFUL HAIR. oops! caps lock was on
i never would have guessed that her hair was completely wet. instead of using shea butter and gel after braiding, what about using those products during braiding. u can use aloe vera gel, kinky curly curling custard or afroveda pur whipped gelly as alternatives. you can even whip up your own buttercream for her hair.

frizz is a way of life for my hair, always has been. i see pics of myself as a child and frizz was always prominent. i just embrace it now.
Originally Posted by hippychic
Curly hair reflects less light than straight hair, so our hair may only shine a litle or not at all. But it should have a healthy sheen to it. Is it possible that she has a little product buildup? If so you may want to use a gentle clarifying shampoo. The Komaza Care products have helped cut down on my frizz. She does have beautiful hair. You are doing a good job, just hang in there.
Originally Posted by cayisha_azul
Yes, her hair is absolutely beautiful. It looks like my TWA before I put styling products in my hair.
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Aw, thanks for the compliments

Napp, can you tell me about the laying technique, too?

Because this is a PRIME example of what her hair's looking like now. Just yesterday I put her hair into 6 plaits and I used the following:

--homemade spray with water, leave-in, African oil blend (you know, like Hot Sixx) and a touch of veg. glycerin

---a whipped mix of pure shea butter (unrefined), African oil blend, and pure coconut oil

This is what her hair looks like today, and to tell you the truth, it looked much like this right after I braided it yesterday. Is this breakage?? What am I doing wrong???




Is this just the nature of her hair type? I just feel like it could look so much neater and last at least a LITTLE longer than it does. I did this yesterday afternoon, and it pretty much looked like this a few hours later. I tried smoothing some of the shea butter mix and a little gel over the top of her head to make it lie down better...didn't work








I just took these braids loose tonight, and while the crown areas are still frizzy, the actual unbraided sections aren't so bad. Nice and moisturized and soft.

Last edited by sinistral55; 10-25-2009 at 10:29 PM.
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Yes, I see what you mean. Her hair looks like this when I fix it like the above--on a good hair day. Same type of sheen. I really like the shape of your haircut, too.

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