Is There A Such Thing As 4C or 4D Hair ???

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I know the feeling. My hair hates everything and you know its bad when born and bred West Africans tell you how nappy your hair is.

What I have found so far is protein is pretty much not my friend I would hate to say enemy but... My hair loves Jamaican Black Castor Oil to seal and mixed with other oils for a hot oil rinse. I recently bought Taliah Waajid Protective Mist Bodifier to spray twists and soften and I really like it. Cones and me do not mix not even a little. I use black soap to wash my hair.

In order to get anything to work I have to mix like a fiend. I.e. for my rinse out onditioner was I may mix Bedhead Moisture Maniac with Jane Carter Solutions deep conditioner. Same thing for deep conditioners I also usually add oil. To get my hair touchable during styling I will do a leave in conditioner, layer with another moisturizer (I use Jessicurl WDT for this until I am done with it then more investigating), I will twist/style with a creamy styler such as Jane Carter twist and lock or Curls Whipped Cream, then I would seal the ends with JBCO or Qhemet's Heavy Cream. I always deep condition and/or hot oil rinse sometimes both.

Hope this helps.

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My hair is 3rd Cousin to Kunta-KINTE !!!

LOL

I received an invite from (((Ms. curlynikki)))..., sooo happy to be here, but I'm looking for a least one or two of my relatives. I need some SERIOUS help. LOL

Shirley
NubianNAPPY
Originally Posted by NubianNAPPY
Welcome to the forum! There is a lot of debate over whether 4c hair exists. I see the argument for both sides. However I think whatever the hair type you are there is a lot of good advice here. Just peruse the threads, go to people's fotkis when they post them, and look at the people commenting in their albums/guestbooks. That's how I managed to find people with hair similar to mine. I'm a fellow West African and my fotki is open if you want to browse. You can also look through my fotki friends to see if anybody is 4b/4c. HHG!


4b natural
Ekaette,

Sorry if this question seems silly but, how do we access your fotki page? And since I'm asking questions, since I've been on naturally curly I've wondered what does it mean when people write "bump". Thanks : )
Ekaette,

Sorry if this question seems silly but, how do we access your fotki page? And since I'm asking questions, since I've been on naturally curly I've wondered what does it mean when people write "bump". Thanks : )
Originally Posted by ahtnamas
see #68 on page 4 of this thread Acronyms/Abbreviations/Definitions!

4b
BC May 2009
less product is enough
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4b natural

Last edited by Ekaette; 01-02-2013 at 04:57 AM.
Good Luck!
Hair Type: 4a/4b Combo
Last Relaxer: May/June 2008
Big Chop: N/A
http://members.fotki.com/SugarNuts (1/31)
Detangle/Co-Wash: VO5 Freesia or Green Tea
Shampoo: White Vinegar

Deep Con. Treat.: Aussie 3-min. & Olive Oil
Final Wash: Nexxus Humectress
Moist. Spritz: Glycerin, Water, Proclaim 7-Olive Oil, Suave Extreme Leave-In


I'd always thought I was 4b but having looked at mnay albums and some youtube videos, people who I would consider 4a are calling themselves 4b, and I'm NO where near their texture. So with that I bumped myself now to having more 4c and some 4b texture.
I figure I can't go wrong with identifying with 4b/4c, because (in the past) I made the mistake of following hair regimens posted by people who said they were 4b, but I would consider 4a by looking at their hair...it always failed me.

My sister yesterday discovered a whole new class..she's calling herself a 5. lol
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4c is considered the cnapp as termed by cnappyme for the cloud or cotton texture with no defined curl pattern. cnappyme has developed her own site devoted to the cnapp. I first met her on nappturality. I'm a mix of 4a/b/c with VERY LITTLE 3c.

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Last edited by Kinky Rhonnie; 01-04-2010 at 02:20 PM.
4c is considered the cnapp as termed by cnappyme for the cloud or cotton texture with no defined curl pattern. cnappyme has developed her own site devoted to the cnapp. I first met her on nappturality. I'm a mix of 4a/b/c with VERY LITTLE 3c.

The board first started out on wordpress at http://nappyme.wordpress.com but moved to http://s3.excoboard.com/exco/index.php.
Originally Posted by Kinky Rhonnie
Hi Kinky Rhonnie...thanks for the shout out. Hmmm... I'm not sure I've ever posted on this board before, but I'm going to do so now to clear up misinformation about what we're calling cNapp hair and how that all got started.

Several years ago now, someone on Nappturality started a thread asking people to post pics of their naturally coily/curly, freshly washed product-free hair. Here's an example http://www.nappturality.com/forum/sh...&postcount=475

That thread went so well that AuNappturale started a thread asking people to post pics of their non coily, non clumping, non curly hair. That thread exploded and people with hair like AuNapp such as myself posted up a storm.


My hair freshly washed with no product and no manipulation.

People like us have no curl or wave, or coil definition whatsoever. It's just one massive puffy, poof of hair that looks like a soft Cloud or Cotton.

Rather than have to explain this all the time, we decided we wanted a nickname. Taneska came up with the term cNapp (as in cottony or cloud-like naps). It stuck and that's how the term cNapp was born. So it always boggles my mind when people ask "Does cNapp hair exist?" That's a ridiculous to me because all we did was take people with hair that have a certain characteristic and give it a nickname. So of course it EXISTS!

Most of us identify our hair as 4B. The term cNapp is just a short cut nickname that lumps all the characteristics together. If you say you're a cNapp we automatically know that means you have no curl/wave/coil definition.

It doesn't mean your individual strands don't coil or curl...it just means they don't get together to show themselves off. Our hair is more about randomness of how it coils, loops and bends. My individual strands do all of this and sometimes you can find all characteristics on ONE strand!

From our perspective, the only defining characterics of cNapp hair is the that it is patternless and has no overall definition. It has nothing to do with coil or curl size. It can have any size coils...if you have any at all. It can be thin, medium or coarse (strand size). You can have dense or thin hair (number of hairs on your head). You can have a lot of shrinkage or no shrinkage. If you have any or all of this...then you are a cNapp.

NOT ABSOLUTE
Some people have a combination of this and 4A hair as well and still identify with cNapp hair because it's the predominant texture. OR they have hair that may define itself a little but not enough for them to manage it as 4A hair with curl definition.

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The connection to my blog Nappturology 101 (nappyme.wordpress.com)
Nappturology 101 is my blog. Once people started identifying themselves as cNapp, I decided to host a page on my blog where people could list their albums and we could have ONE place where people could go and get links to those albums. That's this link: http://nappyme.wordpress.com/cnapy-albums/ and to this day it gets over 300 hits per day. It's a very popular resource for people with cNapp hair. Think I need to update some of those links though...

Unfortunately, calling ourselves cNapps on NP created a ridiculous controversy and for brief moment the owner of NP banned cNapp conversations saying it was too devisive. But once she understood that it was JUST a nickname to short cut having to spell out all the characteristics of our hair she allowed cNapp conversations on her board.

But that controversy for a loooong time was just below the surface and that was enough for me to start my own board so that folks with hair like us could have our own little corner of the internet where we could discuss our hair without pissing other people off.

Turns out us starting our own board (cNappymeNow.com) pissed people off ANYWAY...so oh well.

As far as what this 4C hair is... I haven't a clue. It is NOT cNapp hair because like I said MOST of us identify with 4B.

Now folks can debate cNapp hair all they want, but at the end of the day, it's what WE say it is and that's all that matters. Either you identify with it or you don't. If you have it, you usually know it.

Anyhoo... I've written a book but I've just seen one too many mentions of cNapp hair where the facts aren't correct.

Hope this sets the record straight.

Take care,
~Nappyme

Last edited by Nappy*Me; 01-11-2010 at 05:21 PM.
oh snap, I think i'm a cnapp then cause my has that cottony look when naked
I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?
I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
I always thought 4c was made up. Most folk who say they have 4c ususally say it because they see someone who claims 4b but the hair has curls like a 4a. So then the 4b person feels that they can't be a 4b if this defined coily person is claiming 4b so they call themselves 4c or 4z to mean that they do not have any curl definition at all.

In reality, some people claim 4b when really they are 4a. Some folk are 4a/4b but claim 4b but they still have a wave/coil pattern. And some 4b's have fine hair which looks different than a coarse haired 4b. And thick 4b looks different than thin 4b. Just as with any other hair texture different folk's hair will look different depending on manipulation, health, products used, thickness and coarseness of the hair.
great info sis,
i am 4a but will check out yalls site, i dont think theres anything wrong with tht; alot of time u can relate 2 sistas with hair textures similar 2 ur own 4 benefitial purposes. sistas lets no create division amongst ourselves over this, being natural is one unit, no matter the hair type.
@ KNT: I've felt a similar way. That's why I posed that question...

@Dee-nature: I think people here are just trying to discuss and learn- not create more division in hair types!
I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
I thought 4b still clumped but had the z formation.

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I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
I thought 4b still clumped but had the z formation.
Originally Posted by Kinky Rhonnie
Hummm... Did you take a look at the link I posted that shows off Whitley Gilbert's hair. If you didn't, here it is http://www.nappturality.com/forum/sh...&postcount=475
It freshly washed and product free...just like my hair is in the example I posted.

But there is a visually distinctive difference between the way her hair clumps into coils and hangs and the way mine just draws up into a puffy looking massive cloud.

That's pretty much the distinction that we make between cNapps and non cNapps. In that pic of Whitley, she is easily some version of a 4A.

Now I've seen some cNapps who have hair that naturally clumps (see middle pic for example http://nappyme.wordpress.com/cnapy-albums/ ) but there aren't really any spirals or coils or curls it just draws up and sticks straight up. Perhaps the young lady in this pic does have hair that has that infamous z pattern...dunno.

But again...the point is that cNapp hair does not CLUMP to show off any type of curl/coil/wave pattern. As I look at the young lady's cNapp hair in the above link... I can't tell what's going on with her individual strands. But when I look at Whitely's hair, she quite clearly and most definitely has coils. So that's the difference, in my mind, between 4a and 4b/cnapp hair.

Last edited by Nappy*Me; 01-11-2010 at 05:52 PM.
I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
I thought 4b still clumped but had the z formation.
Originally Posted by Kinky Rhonnie
Hummm... Did you take a look at the link I posted that shows off Whitley Gilbert's hair. If you didn't, here it is http://www.nappturality.com/forum/sh...&postcount=475
It freshly washed and product free...just like my hair is in the example I posted.

But there is a visually distinctive difference between the way her hair clumps into coils and hangs and the way mine just draws up into a puffy looking massive cloud.

That's pretty much the distinction that we make between cNapps and non cNapps. In that pic of Whitley, she is easily some version of a 4A.

Now I've seen some cNapps who have hair that naturally clumps (see middle pic for example http://nappyme.wordpress.com/cnapy-albums/ ) but there aren't really any spirals or coils or curls it just draws up and sticks straight up. Perhaps the young lady in this pic does have hair that has that infamous z pattern...dunno.

But again...the point is that cNapp hair does not CLUMP to show off any type of curl/coil/wave pattern. As I look at the young lady's cNapp hair in the above link... I can't tell what's going on with her individual strands. But when I look at Whitely's hair, she quite clearly and most definitely has coils. So that's the difference, in my mind, between 4a and 4b/cnapp hair.
Originally Posted by Nappy*Me
I can't see that link b/c I'm not a member of Nappturality. But I do know what Jasmine Guy's hair looks like. Is that who you're talking about? I understand the difference between 4a and 4b. I was confused about what 4c was? Unless you are saying 4b/cnapp is the same as 4c? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post.

@KinkyRhonnie: Yes, that sounds right. I think I meant "clumping" in a different sense.
@MixedUpCurlyChick, you can join nappturality for free but there will be a couple of forums that you will not be able to access if you are interested. Whitley Gilbert is the screen name of one of the members. I can't see the image here at work though.

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