Defining 4a/4b curls

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Happy Thursday ladies I need your help again!

I need help defining my 4a/4b curls. I have a TWA (2 1/2in-3in) and just did the Big Chop a little over a week ago. I'm able to define my 4a curls but the 4b curls aren't cooperating at all. I would like to wear a Wash and Go but when i do it looks crazy because although you can see the corkscrews, there's frizzy hair in between.

I just started using the Eco Styler Gel for curl definition, but i don't think my hair cares for it I noticed that my corkscrews are able to be defined with my cream leave-in but it does haven't good hold.

Can anyone recommend how to define the 4b curls and also know of a styling cream that both moisturizes and defines.

Ladies with TWA: Do you air dry or use a diffuser?

Much appreciated!
I have 4a/4b curls and I use Kinky Curly Curling Custard. Also sometimes straight glycerin works.
I don't have 4b in my hair (I don't think...but I'm always finding random textures in my hair), but I also have a TWA (about 2 inches) and I air dry. However, I also live in a warm climate, so if it is colder you might need to diffuse.

If you hair doesn't like Eco Styler, try Kinky Curly Curling Custard or AfroVeda PUR Whipped Gelly. I think both of these are great gels, and have all natural ingredients. Other things that may help define curlies are castor oil, any AfroVeda butters, Darcy's Botanicals Madagascar Vanilla Styling Creme, aloe vera gel...a heavy, creamy leave-in will also help.
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I'll will give KCCC a try. I usually comb my leave-in through my hair. After I apply the gel, should i comb through, scrunch, or rake?
I'll will give KCCC a try. I usually comb my leave-in through my hair. After I apply the gel, should i comb through, scrunch, or rake?
Originally Posted by tabbysue
Hey Tabby, if you want to define curls, don't comb your leave-in through...only comb your hair with condish in during your shower... With my TWA, I massage products into my hair, kind of like in a circular motion. That way, they are distributed all over the hair strand w/o messing up my definition. HTH!
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I will try this tonite, thanks!
Happy Thursday ladies I need your help again!

I need help defining my 4a/4b curls. I have a TWA (2 1/2in-3in) and just did the Big Chop a little over a week ago. I'm able to define my 4a curls but the 4b curls aren't cooperating at all. I would like to wear a Wash and Go but when i do it looks crazy because although you can see the corkscrews, there's frizzy hair in between.

I just started using the Eco Styler Gel for curl definition, but i don't think my hair cares for it I noticed that my corkscrews are able to be defined with my cream leave-in but it does haven't good hold.

Can anyone recommend how to define the 4b curls and also know of a styling cream that both moisturizes and defines.

Ladies with TWA: Do you air dry or use a diffuser?

Much appreciated!
Originally Posted by tabbysue
I have the EXACT same hair type and issues with defining my hair and keeping it moisturized. I was starting to feel alone out here.

I just did my big chop the saturday before last, nov 27, and I have the same combination of tightly coiled corkskrews, with frizzy hair throughout.

I try to do the wash n go all the time, and it looks good and curly while it's dripping wet, but as soon as it starts to dry, here comes the frizz, and only some of it looks curly, while the rest looks like a mess.

I've been eyeing and researching the kinky-curly curling custard and knot today, but it costs so much. And nothing else has worked, and I would hate to spend all that money and it not work. But if it does work, then it will be well worth it.

I guess I might have to bite the bullet on this one and just try it. If anyone else has any other suggestions, I would love to hear them.
Happy Thursday ladies I need your help again!

I need help defining my 4a/4b curls. I have a TWA (2 1/2in-3in) and just did the Big Chop a little over a week ago. I'm able to define my 4a curls but the 4b curls aren't cooperating at all. I would like to wear a Wash and Go but when i do it looks crazy because although you can see the corkscrews, there's frizzy hair in between.

I just started using the Eco Styler Gel for curl definition, but i don't think my hair cares for it I noticed that my corkscrews are able to be defined with my cream leave-in but it does haven't good hold.

Can anyone recommend how to define the 4b curls and also know of a styling cream that both moisturizes and defines.

Ladies with TWA: Do you air dry or use a diffuser?

Much appreciated!
Originally Posted by tabbysue
I have the EXACT same hair type and issues with defining my hair and keeping it moisturized. I was starting to feel alone out here.

I just did my big chop the saturday before last, nov 27, and I have the same combination of tightly coiled corkskrews, with frizzy hair throughout.

I try to do the wash n go all the time, and it looks good and curly while it's dripping wet, but as soon as it starts to dry, here comes the frizz, and only some of it looks curly, while the rest looks like a mess.

I've been eyeing and researching the kinky-curly curling custard and knot today, but it costs so much. And nothing else has worked, and I would hate to spend all that money and it not work. But if it does work, then it will be well worth it.

I guess I might have to bite the bullet on this one and just try it. If anyone else has any other suggestions, I would love to hear them.
Originally Posted by TRICH25

Imagine my surprise to see my old post:-) Ah, precious memories...

If you would like to try Kinky Curly Custard, I highly recommend getting it from Target. It's 16.99 and if you don't like it, you are able to return it with the receipt. I tried it when I first BC and again in September and I thought it was okay. I didn't like that fact it took forever to dry and it was sometimes sticky when it dried. Target also has a nice selection of other natural hair products next to Kinky Curly.

This year has been full of trials and errors and what I've learned is that there isn't any product that will make my hair curly or fight the frizz. What does help it wave and coil/curl, are water based products and finger combing (see my sig for products I use). You're still fairly new so unfortunately, you're in for some trial and errors as well. It takes time and some product junkie habits to find out what ingredients and products will work for you, but once you do, it's like Christmas every morning:-) My hair is still frizzy and coily/curly, but it's soft, moisturized and although it doesn't shine, it's has a definite sheen The key is moisture, moisture, moisture!
Shampoo: TJ Tea Tree Tingle (only to remove buildup)
Co-wash/Detangler: Suave Naturals Conditioner
Leave-in/Styler: Uncle Funky's Curly Magic
2nd day refresher: Uncle Funky's Thirsty Curls
Routine: Wash and Go
Porosity: Normal-High
Texture: Fine/Thin and Kinky
I have thick 4a/b hair, and I find that unrefined shea butter does a good job of defining my hair. I whip it with jojoba and coconut oil (YT has some great recipes for whipped shea butter). I got a pound of sb at my local beauty supply for $6.00. It's not fragrant, so you might want to add essential oils like orange or rosemary for fragrance (NOT fragrance oils).

I use it to seal in a water-based leave in conditioner. I also use it for twists and twist-outs. Works like a charm, but too much will leave your hair greasy and brittle.

IF your hair likes shea, that is...


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try defining with hair conditioner since it's winter that works for me!
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Happy Thursday ladies I need your help again!

I need help defining my 4a/4b curls. I have a TWA (2 1/2in-3in) and just did the Big Chop a little over a week ago. I'm able to define my 4a curls but the 4b curls aren't cooperating at all. I would like to wear a Wash and Go but when i do it looks crazy because although you can see the corkscrews, there's frizzy hair in between.

I just started using the Eco Styler Gel for curl definition, but i don't think my hair cares for it I noticed that my corkscrews are able to be defined with my cream leave-in but it does haven't good hold.

Can anyone recommend how to define the 4b curls and also know of a styling cream that both moisturizes and defines.

Ladies with TWA: Do you air dry or use a diffuser?

Much appreciated!
Originally Posted by tabbysue
I have the EXACT same hair type and issues with defining my hair and keeping it moisturized. I was starting to feel alone out here.

I just did my big chop the saturday before last, nov 27, and I have the same combination of tightly coiled corkskrews, with frizzy hair throughout.

I try to do the wash n go all the time, and it looks good and curly while it's dripping wet, but as soon as it starts to dry, here comes the frizz, and only some of it looks curly, while the rest looks like a mess.

I've been eyeing and researching the kinky-curly curling custard and knot today, but it costs so much. And nothing else has worked, and I would hate to spend all that money and it not work. But if it does work, then it will be well worth it.

I guess I might have to bite the bullet on this one and just try it. If anyone else has any other suggestions, I would love to hear them.
Originally Posted by TRICH25

Imagine my surprise to see my old post:-) Ah, precious memories...

If you would like to try Kinky Curly Custard, I highly recommend getting it from Target. It's 16.99 and if you don't like it, you are able to return it with the receipt. I tried it when I first BC and again in September and I thought it was okay. I didn't like that fact it took forever to dry and it was sometimes sticky when it dried. Target also has a nice selection of other natural hair products next to Kinky Curly.

This year has been full of trials and errors and what I've learned is that there isn't any product that will make my hair curly or fight the frizz. What does help it wave and coil/curl, are water based products and finger combing (see my sig for products I use). You're still fairly new so unfortunately, you're in for some trial and errors as well. It takes time and some product junkie habits to find out what ingredients and products will work for you, but once you do, it's like Christmas every morning:-) My hair is still frizzy and coily/curly, but it's soft, moisturized and although it doesn't shine, it's has a definite sheen The key is moisture, moisture, moisture!
Originally Posted by tabbysue
A miracle happened yesterday. Thanks for replying to my post. I can definitely testify to being a product junkie.

However, I went on a wild goose chase last night for Kinky Curly and could not find it anywhere, all of the Targets were out of stock. So I began to look for other alternatives. I went to one of my local beauty supply stores, and of course they didn't have it, which was surprising to me, because they have everything. I've never went there and couldn't find what I needed, and neither did they have the green Ecostyler gel. But the Lord led me to a gel called, Via Naturals Moisturizing Gel with Kiwi, Olive and Green Tea extracts.

I put it in my hair last night, after my cowash with V05 Green Tea Therapy Smoothing Conditioner, I think. It gave me the curl definition I was looking for, without drying out my hair or making it hard or flaky. It was awesome. It did take a while to dry though. But even after sleeping on it the next morning, it looked great. I just refreshed it a little with some water and a little more gel, but it's awesome. No frizz, no dull/dry look, and my curls bounce back when I pull them.

Sorry about the long response, I'm just so excited about it. Oh yea, and the best part, it only costs $2.99.
Honestly I think its a waste of money buying all of these overall priced items to define your curls. you can wash your hair, air dry, then dampen you hair a bit with water, then apply a dime size of your favorite conditioner and then apply the eco styler =)
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I have the EXACT same hair type and issues with defining my hair and keeping it moisturized. I was starting to feel alone out here.

I just did my big chop the saturday before last, nov 27, and I have the same combination of tightly coiled corkskrews, with frizzy hair throughout.

I try to do the wash n go all the time, and it looks good and curly while it's dripping wet, but as soon as it starts to dry, here comes the frizz, and only some of it looks curly, while the rest looks like a mess.

I've been eyeing and researching the kinky-curly curling custard and knot today, but it costs so much. And nothing else has worked, and I would hate to spend all that money and it not work. But if it does work, then it will be well worth it.

I guess I might have to bite the bullet on this one and just try it. If anyone else has any other suggestions, I would love to hear them.
Originally Posted by TRICH25

Imagine my surprise to see my old post:-) Ah, precious memories...

If you would like to try Kinky Curly Custard, I highly recommend getting it from Target. It's 16.99 and if you don't like it, you are able to return it with the receipt. I tried it when I first BC and again in September and I thought it was okay. I didn't like that fact it took forever to dry and it was sometimes sticky when it dried. Target also has a nice selection of other natural hair products next to Kinky Curly.

This year has been full of trials and errors and what I've learned is that there isn't any product that will make my hair curly or fight the frizz. What does help it wave and coil/curl, are water based products and finger combing (see my sig for products I use). You're still fairly new so unfortunately, you're in for some trial and errors as well. It takes time and some product junkie habits to find out what ingredients and products will work for you, but once you do, it's like Christmas every morning:-) My hair is still frizzy and coily/curly, but it's soft, moisturized and although it doesn't shine, it's has a definite sheen The key is moisture, moisture, moisture!
Originally Posted by tabbysue
A miracle happened yesterday. Thanks for replying to my post. I can definitely testify to being a product junkie.

However, I went on a wild goose chase last night for Kinky Curly and could not find it anywhere, all of the Targets were out of stock. So I began to look for other alternatives. I went to one of my local beauty supply stores, and of course they didn't have it, which was surprising to me, because they have everything. I've never went there and couldn't find what I needed, and neither did they have the green Ecostyler gel. But the Lord led me to a gel called, Via Naturals Moisturizing Gel with Kiwi, Olive and Green Tea extracts.

I put it in my hair last night, after my cowash with V05 Green Tea Therapy Smoothing Conditioner, I think. It gave me the curl definition I was looking for, without drying out my hair or making it hard or flaky. It was awesome. It did take a while to dry though. But even after sleeping on it the next morning, it looked great. I just refreshed it a little with some water and a little more gel, but it's awesome. No frizz, no dull/dry look, and my curls bounce back when I pull them.

Sorry about the long response, I'm just so excited about it. Oh yea, and the best part, it only costs $2.99.
Originally Posted by TRICH25
I don't have 4b hair (I dont think, LOL), but what is totally fool proof for me is using a shea butter (or another butter) based balm on my hair. I don't do it very often because my hair is so long and only works for me when I'm doing a puff. Since your're at TWA status, it may be great for you.

Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel is great for curls too!
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I found it at one of my local beauty supply stores, called, "Beauty Supply 'R Us." You can find the 32oz jar online though for 4.99, I have the 16oz jar I believe. Just google, "Via Natural Moisturizing Gel," and it should come up. Or try your local beauty supply stores. Good luck!!!
Try Taliah Waajid Curly Curl Cream. It's available at Beauty Supply Stores. It was $7.99 when I bought mine.


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I think some of you are missing the point of her question. I have the same issue with trial/error on finding the right technique to define the curls after poo/condish. I have wiry/coarse hair using the LOIS system and my hair is low porosity; which means it does not absorb moisture very well. After my hair is clean YES the curls are there, spiral, bounce back, etc. YES I use a Tshirt to PAT dry my hair and YES my hair is about 2-4" long all over. This is just frustrating and I have learned alot since my BC 25 June 12. HOWEVER, my hair does not respond that way. I need to learn a technique to keep the curls defined after moisturizing; whether styling in the shower, rinsing condish upside down, putting the moisturzer, styler on in the shower, etc. There HAS to be a way to keep the curls in the hair undisturbed after all the products are applied whether using gel or not...rubbing my products in my hair - which I have to do since I have low porosity hair, this disturbs my curl pattern...I feel the original poster TRICH25 & tabbysue...I have seen YT rinse all the conditioner out in the shower upside down, facing shower, etc...and not using any other products...my hair needs that moisture to stay in there...PLEASE HELP!!! I'm only 2 months in going on 3 months newly natural. I have also read the science of black hair and this book has very good information about our hair.
I think some of you are missing the point of her question. I have the same issue with trial/error on finding the right technique to define the curls after poo/condish. I have wiry/coarse hair using the LOIS system and my hair is low porosity; which means it does not absorb moisture very well. After my hair is clean YES the curls are there, spiral, bounce back, etc. YES I use a Tshirt to PAT dry my hair and YES my hair is about 2-4" long all over. This is just frustrating and I have learned alot since my BC 25 June 12. HOWEVER, my hair does not respond that way. I need to learn a technique to keep the curls defined after moisturizing; whether styling in the shower, rinsing condish upside down, putting the moisturzer, styler on in the shower, etc. There HAS to be a way to keep the curls in the hair undisturbed after all the products are applied whether using gel or not...rubbing my products in my hair - which I have to do since I have low porosity hair, this disturbs my curl pattern...I feel the original poster TRICH25 & tabbysue...I have seen YT rinse all the conditioner out in the shower upside down, facing shower, etc...and not using any other products...my hair needs that moisture to stay in there...PLEASE HELP!!! I'm only 2 months in going on 3 months newly natural. I have also read the science of black hair and this book has very good information about our hair.
Originally Posted by rondia7
You may be using too many products, or have expectations of you hair that aren't possible.
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I just did another big chop after growing out heat damage. I have been going really simple and that is what always works for me. I just use conditioner to style. Right now it is Suave Naturals Coconut. I tried the Shea Moisture Restorative Conditioner but I like it better for a deep conditioner/rinse-out. It is too heavy and dries hard. Gel works but I just feel it's not a necessity and isn't that good for my hair and builds up. I use a method similar to the Tightly Curly method. So basically every morning I wet my hair with water add more conditioner and twist the curls with my fingers. I think it is the combination of product with technique. My hair is light, clean to the touch, soft, shiny, and super defined. I am very happy. In the pic the hair on top is still too straight/heat damaged so I flexirod set it. The sides and back are all virgin 4a hair. If your hair is longer than mine you can still finger curl it and it will last like a week with daily touch ups. At my current length I have to basically refresh each curl but it is so quick I don't mind and it keeps me looking "new" daily.
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